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Not likely. "Almost Hear You Sigh" has a songwriting credit for Steve Jordan because the track originated with the TALK IS CHEAP sessions (although Mick completely rewrote the verses). Had anything else made it to release from those sessions, Steve Jordan would have been credited. "Almost Hear You Sigh" and "One More Shot" are the only Rolling Stones tracks that see Steve Jordan receiving a songwriting credit. Nothing else left over from TALK IS CHEAP made it to STEEL WHEELS.
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Rocky Dijon
Not likely. "Almost Hear You Sigh" has a songwriting credit for Steve Jordan because the track originated with the TALK IS CHEAP sessions (although Mick completely rewrote the verses). Had anything else made it to release from those sessions, Steve Jordan would have been credited. "Almost Hear You Sigh" and "One More Shot" are the only Rolling Stones tracks that see Steve Jordan receiving a songwriting credit. Nothing else left over from TALK IS CHEAP made it to STEEL WHEELS.
You don't know that for sure.
Maybe Keith had some songs that he had worked on his own, without Jordan's input.
Or maybe they just were not finished enough to need to credit Steve Jordon.
By the way that you tube clip of Keith singing Almost hear you Sigh without lyrics had something going for it. The guts was taken out of that track. The melody was much better with Keith, and there was me saying Jagger's strong point was the melodys lol. Maybe Keith is modest when is comes to claiming who wrote what between him and Mick.
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Mick learned everything he knows about songwriting from Keith. Even if he writes a song completely on his own, Keith´s influence shines through.
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This proves that Keith was an excellent teacher
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Rocky Dijon
Not likely. "Almost Hear You Sigh" has a songwriting credit for Steve Jordan because the track originated with the TALK IS CHEAP sessions (although Mick completely rewrote the verses). Had anything else made it to release from those sessions, Steve Jordan would have been credited. "Almost Hear You Sigh" and "One More Shot" are the only Rolling Stones tracks that see Steve Jordan receiving a songwriting credit. Nothing else left over from TALK IS CHEAP made it to STEEL WHEELS.
You don't know that for sure.
Maybe Keith had some songs that he had worked on his own, without Jordan's input.
Or maybe they just were not finished enough to need to credit Steve Jordon.
By the way that you tube clip of Keith singing Almost hear you Sigh without lyrics had something going for it. The guts was taken out of that track. The melody was much better with Keith, and there was me saying Jagger's strong point was the melodys lol. Maybe Keith is modest when is comes to claiming who wrote what between him and Mick.
Ding round 2
here you go marginalizing Mick on his birthday...no cake for you!
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Rocky Dijon
Not likely. "Almost Hear You Sigh" has a songwriting credit for Steve Jordan because the track originated with the TALK IS CHEAP sessions (although Mick completely rewrote the verses). Had anything else made it to release from those sessions, Steve Jordan would have been credited. "Almost Hear You Sigh" and "One More Shot" are the only Rolling Stones tracks that see Steve Jordan receiving a songwriting credit. Nothing else left over from TALK IS CHEAP made it to STEEL WHEELS.
You don't know that for sure.
Maybe Keith had some songs that he had worked on his own, without Jordan's input.
Or maybe they just were not finished enough to need to credit Steve Jordon.
By the way that you tube clip of Keith singing Almost hear you Sigh without lyrics had something going for it. The guts was taken out of that track. The melody was much better with Keith, and there was me saying Jagger's strong point was the melodys lol. Maybe Keith is modest when is comes to claiming who wrote what between him and Mick.
Ding round 2
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...and that would be the Stones' Director of Business Affairs whose name escapes me now but she's credited son SSS (and Live at the Marquee) as a co-executive producer. She's also the one who set the prices for the O2 shows and got a choir involved according to an article in the Times (Guardian?)...oh and designed TShirts for these shows too apparently!
Apologies for necrobumping this part of the thread: it's Joyce Smyth, and she was originally Jagger's divorce lawyer, although obviously her role has expanded a lot since then (on which note, Naturalust is right, she was by all accounts the one who called MT to tell him he'd been dropped earlier this year).
is she rupert's replacement?
Not sure - there was an interview with her in The Times a few years ago (after the O2, if memory serves), but it's behind their paywall. If anyone here is a subscriber, perhaps they could copypasta it.
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This proves that Keith was an excellent teacher
you're very stubborn aren't you Personally, I agree with Naturalust. Certainly Keith is the more creative person musically speaking, but Mick is a very clever poet and his early songs show a level of sophistication that is unlike what a lot of young songwriters can achieve right off the bat.
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This proves that Keith was an excellent teacher
you're very stubborn aren't you Personally, I agree with Naturalust. Certainly Keith is the more creative person musically speaking, but Mick is a very clever poet and his early songs show a level of sophistication that is unlike what a lot of young songwriters can achieve right off the bat.
That's cos Mick was reading the right sh-t when he was young.
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This proves that Keith was an excellent teacher
you're very stubborn aren't you Personally, I agree with Naturalust. Certainly Keith is the more creative person musically speaking, but Mick is a very clever poet and his early songs show a level of sophistication that is unlike what a lot of young songwriters can achieve right off the bat.
That's cos Mick was reading the right sh-t when he was young.
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Not likely. "Almost Hear You Sigh" has a songwriting credit for Steve Jordan because the track originated with the TALK IS CHEAP sessions (although Mick completely rewrote the verses). Had anything else made it to release from those sessions, Steve Jordan would have been credited. "Almost Hear You Sigh" and "One More Shot" are the only Rolling Stones tracks that see Steve Jordan receiving a songwriting credit. Nothing else left over from TALK IS CHEAP made it to STEEL WHEELS.
You don't know that for sure.
Maybe Keith had some songs that he had worked on his own, without Jordan's input.
Or maybe they just were not finished enough to need to credit Steve Jordon.
By the way that you tube clip of Keith singing Almost hear you Sigh without lyrics had something going for it. The guts was taken out of that track. The melody was much better with Keith, and there was me saying Jagger's strong point was the melodys lol. Maybe Keith is modest when is comes to claiming who wrote what between him and Mick.
Ding round 2
Actually it's you that doesn't know things for sure. However, these things matter far more to you so we'll let your junior high cheerleader version of reality be the one that counts. You'll have to do better than this to get me back in the ring. It's like fighting a child.
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By the way that you tube clip of Keith singing Almost hear you Sigh without lyrics had something going for it. The guts was taken out of that track. The melody was much better with Keith
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By the way that you tube clip of Keith singing Almost hear you Sigh without lyrics had something going for it. The guts was taken out of that track. The melody was much better with Keith
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Good lck finding any melody in this 87/88 demo. It sounds like someone trying to play "Beast Of Burden" and failing at it. Jagger is the one who fleshed out the Richards/Jordan skeleton and Jordan got a co-writting credit as part of the "WW III armistice" between Keef and Mick.
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By the way that you tube clip of Keith singing Almost hear you Sigh without lyrics had something going for it. The guts was taken out of that track. The melody was much better with Keith
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Good lck finding any melody in this 87/88 demo. It sounds like someone trying to play "Beast Of Burden" and failing at it. Jagger is the one who fleshed out the Richards/Jordan skeleton and Jordan got a co-writting credit as part of the "WW III armistice" between Keef and Mick.
I was just kidding about with Rocky, don't take that post literally, it was me being an idiot Agreed Mick did a great job of finishing that particular track.
BTW Its very easy to take one sentence from a long conversation or disagreement and take the whole thing out of context. Happens on here a lot on here. People say silly things when they are in the middle of a heated discussion and feel exasperated..
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HOGWASH, HMS!! You can't really believe Keith TAUGHT MICK how to write! As I recall, Andrew Oldham MADE them learn writing skills together. Now, granted, in the very beginning, Mick was not a guitar player so Keith may have taught Mick the chords BUT he did not teach Mick lyric writing or even melody writing, for that matter.
" As Tears Go By", one of their first creations is beautifully simple, written by both Mick & Keith. As someone said earlier, Mick is the poetic one but he " hears melodies in his head" just as Keith does....foolish statement, IMO.
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HOGWASH, HMS!! You can't really believe Keith TAUGHT MICK how to write! As I recall, Andrew Oldham MADE them learn writing skills together. Now, granted, in the very beginning, Mick was not a guitar player so Keith may have taught Mick the chords BUT he did not teach Mick lyric writing or even melody writing, for that matter.
" As Tears Go By", one of their first creations is beautifully simple, written by both Mick & Keith. As someone said earlier, Mick is the poetic one but he " hears melodies in his head" just as Keith does....foolish statement, IMO.
Without Keith Mick would have never ever penned a line in his life. Take a look at his solo-albums and it is clear to see how poor his songwriting-skills are when Keith is not around. Mick´s solo-efforts sound best when he is trying to write in Keith-style. As for lyrics, he is not much of a poet, it´s quite the same all over again. Without Keith he is completely lost. Ever was, always will be. Keith is the major force in the Stones-universe. Like a plant needs the sun, Mick needs Keith, he needed him back then and he even more needs him now.
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HOGWASH, HMS!! You can't really believe Keith TAUGHT MICK how to write! As I recall, Andrew Oldham MADE them learn writing skills together. Now, granted, in the very beginning, Mick was not a guitar player so Keith may have taught Mick the chords BUT he did not teach Mick lyric writing or even melody writing, for that matter.
" As Tears Go By", one of their first creations is beautifully simple, written by both Mick & Keith. As someone said earlier, Mick is the poetic one but he " hears melodies in his head" just as Keith does....foolish statement, IMO.
Without Keith Mick would have never ever penned a line in his life. Take a look at his solo-albums and it is clear to see how poor his songwriting-skills are when Keith is not around. Mick´s solo-efforts sound best when he is trying to write in Keith-style. As for lyrics, he is not much of a poet, it´s quite the same all over again. Without Keith he is completely lost. Ever was, always will be. Keith is the major force in the Stones-universe. Like a plant needs the sun, Mick needs Keith, he needed him back then and he even more needs him now.
Agreed. Mick had Pete Townsend, Dave Stewart, Jeff Beck and a host of brilliant musicians on hand, but he just cant cut the mustard without Keith with him.
He put everything into those solo albums and sacrificed Stones Material for them and still they turned out, well, Average. Not a lot of the word genius comes to mind when you think of She's The Boss etc.
Don't get me wrong i love Mick but i see his solo outing as a true indication of his limits without his glimmer twin.
Please people don't take my thoughts personally or as a personal attack. They are my thoughts about how Mick let himself and the band down in what should of been their prime of life. I take it to heart that Mick made me wait all those years to see the Stones in 89'
Micks solo efforts were an incredible waste of time, Keith was on fire in the 80's he was all dressed up with no where to go.
I admit good came from it, they have been a touring force for over 25 years since 89' so No Worries.
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Mick and Keith are complementary, their solo albums are not masterpieces, but between Wandering Spirit and Talk is Cheap, WS is much better!