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Yeah of course not but he isn't making those decisions based on what's best for the music either. Decisions on whom to play with have been made years ago and probably aren't going to change. Guests are temporary additions and no matter how good any of them were I doubt Mick ever thought about keeping them on for more than a song or two. We were lucky to see Taylor on an entire tour and from one perspective it was a very great honor for MT to be invited in that capacity. But two tours in a guest capacity is both too much and not enough.

It's kind of a double edged sword for Taylor, if he doesn't shine he's out because he didn't contribute enough and if he stands out and makes the music better he's out because he's doing a better job than Ronnie and Keith and in Jaggers own words "it sort of trashes the period the band is in now."

One solution of course is to include him as a full time sideman and let the band finish out with another completely different 3 guitarist period. Many of us think that would be the most exciting musically but it could be awkward for the well established image and PR aspects. Would only the four current members be present at press events and the like? Would MT in his capacity as a stellar contributor and spotlighted lead player feel right being delegated to a sideman position like Darryl who by nature or contract are always somewhat in the shadows. You see the strangeness, spotlighted every show but relegated to a non-member lesser role when representing the band.

That bring us to another option...ask him to join as a full fledged member. And as I've said this would probably never happen because no one wants to split the pot another way, they don't need to do it to sell tickets, it might diminish Ronnie's (and even Keith's) Stones legacy and Taylor quit the band 40 years ago. I don't think Jagger has seriously considered this for a second. The Stones are too old and well established to be making these kind of moves in 2015.

Based on all that I think the most we can hope for now is a few more guest spots with Taylor in support of the Sticky Fingers Deluxe release. If it wasn't for the rumored SF themed shows I wouldn't have any hope of seeing him again this tour, as it is the candle is still burning!

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Agree. Plus MT is not as stellar as he was 40 years ago.

In bold is what drew Jagger's ire.

Nobody is as stellar as they were 40 years ago. Even the Stones have not found the fountain of youth (yet).

No, the candle is not burning at the moment. Although, widespread and passionate protests from the fans against Taylor's exclusion could light the candle again.

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I have that same sinking feeling...but I'm not going to get angry about it...not worth it...but what a huge disappointment it would be! I agree that there is some risk of becoming the Beach Boys touring act here. Taylor would prevent that. The focus would be on their greatest years....

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I have that same sinking feeling...but I'm not going to get angry about it...not worth it...but what a huge disappointment it would be! I agree that there is some risk of becoming the Beach Boys touring act here. Taylor would prevent that. The focus would be on their greatest years....

Well, respectfully, I am angry about it, because it's stupid and petty and musically cowardly. It is worth getting angry about because having Taylor along for a Sticky Fingers celebration is just about the only thing that could make it interesting. And at this stage of their career, who cares what the problems were? Maybe they haven't reached Mike Love/Beach Boys level, but pretty close...Bring out the matching Hawaiian shirts.

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I have that same sinking feeling...but I'm not going to get angry about it...not worth it...but what a huge disappointment it would be! I agree that there is some risk of becoming the Beach Boys touring act here. Taylor would prevent that. The focus would be on their greatest years....

Well, respectfully, I am angry about it, because it's stupid and petty and musically cowardly. It is worth getting angry about because having Taylor along for a Sticky Fingers celebration is just about the only thing that could make it interesting. And at this stage of their career, who cares what the problems were? Maybe they haven't reached Mike Love/Beach Boys level, but pretty close...Bring out the matching Hawaiian shirts.

71Tele...I actually agree with all your post...I'm still hoping this is all a PR game. It will be a sour day for some us tomorrow if MT is completely ignored...

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Did they announce Taylor as a guest when they announced the last tour? Even if he isn't part of the announcement tomorrow I think they may still sneak him in for a few shows. I won't give up hope till they play the "Sticky Fingers" show(s) without him, or I see something about his solo tour schedule this summer.

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I think you're right about this, Naturalust. I hope so.

All this about Sticky Fingers is going to be really strange if, knowing Taylor's part in that, he isn't there ..

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I have that same sinking feeling...but I'm not going to get angry about it...not worth it...but what a huge disappointment it would be! I agree that there is some risk of becoming the Beach Boys touring act here. Taylor would prevent that. The focus would be on their greatest years....

Well, respectfully, I am angry about it, because it's stupid and petty and musically cowardly. It is worth getting angry about because having Taylor along for a Sticky Fingers celebration is just about the only thing that could make it interesting. And at this stage of their career, who cares what the problems were? Maybe they haven't reached Mike Love/Beach Boys level, but pretty close...Bring out the matching Hawaiian shirts.

71Tele...I actually agree with all your post...I'm still hoping this is all a PR game. It will be a sour day for some us tomorrow if MT is completely ignored...

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Did they announce Taylor as a guest when they announced the last tour? Even if he isn't part of the announcement tomorrow I think they may still sneak him in for a few shows. I won't give up hope till they play the "Sticky Fingers" show(s) without him, or I see something about his solo tour schedule this summer.

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Well we'll see..

Looks like some theater shows coming .. That in itself is encouraging ..

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Well, respectfully, I am angry about it, because it's stupid and petty and musically cowardly. It is worth getting angry about because having Taylor along for a Sticky Fingers celebration is just about the only thing that could make it interesting. And at this stage of their career, who cares what the problems were? Maybe they haven't reached Mike Love/Beach Boys level, but pretty close...Bring out the matching Hawaiian shirts.

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Did they announce Taylor as a guest when they announced the last tour? Even if he isn't part of the announcement tomorrow I think they may still sneak him in for a few shows. I won't give up hope till they play the "Sticky Fingers" show(s) without him, or I see something about his solo tour schedule this summer.

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Good point, and I would be as hopeful as you, except it has been reported here that he was already "fired" in February.

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Did they announce Taylor as a guest when they announced the last tour? Even if he isn't part of the announcement tomorrow I think they may still sneak him in for a few shows. I won't give up hope till they play the "Sticky Fingers" show(s) without him, or I see something about his solo tour schedule this summer.

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Good point, and I would be as hopeful as you, except it has been reported here that he was already "fired" in February.

I believe you and I were both fired from IORR at one time and we both made it back. An exclusive club, I like to think... Maybe he was just fired from the previous contract and they are considering a different one to account for his greater participation. Anything is still possible and you know how many reported "facts" here on IORR have proven to be only part of the story...

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I have that same sinking feeling...but I'm not going to get angry about it...not worth it...but what a huge disappointment it would be! I agree that there is some risk of becoming the Beach Boys touring act here. Taylor would prevent that. The focus would be on their greatest years....

Well, respectfully, I am angry about it, because it's stupid and petty and musically cowardly. It is worth getting angry about because having Taylor along for a Sticky Fingers celebration is just about the only thing that could make it interesting. And at this stage of their career, who cares what the problems were? Maybe they haven't reached Mike Love/Beach Boys level, but pretty close...Bring out the matching Hawaiian shirts.

71Tele...I actually agree with all your post...I'm still hoping this is all a PR game. It will be a sour day for some us tomorrow if MT is completely ignored...

I am a big Stone's fan, since 1969. But there is not much I have not seen or heard from this band and there is nothing new to offer. I really don't care to hear Sticky Fingers without Mick Taylor's fingers. His contributions made the Sticky Fingers really great IMHO. I am in no rush to travel and spend big bucks for more predictable ancient weaving. I will be You Tubing this time if they leave him out.

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Did they announce Taylor as a guest when they announced the last tour? Even if he isn't part of the announcement tomorrow I think they may still sneak him in for a few shows. I won't give up hope till they play the "Sticky Fingers" show(s) without him, or I see something about his solo tour schedule this summer.

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Good point, and I would be as hopeful as you, except it has been reported here that he was already "fired" in February.

I believe you and I were both fired from IORR at one time and we both made it back. An exclusive club, I like to think... Maybe he was just fired from the previous contract and they are considering a different one to account for his greater participation. Anything is still possible and you know how many reported "facts" here on IORR have proven to be only part of the story...

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Really? What were you "fired" for? I believe I have two offenses on my record, though I was innocent of the first.

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I have that same sinking feeling...but I'm not going to get angry about it...not worth it...but what a huge disappointment it would be! I agree that there is some risk of becoming the Beach Boys touring act here. Taylor would prevent that. The focus would be on their greatest years....

Well, respectfully, I am angry about it, because it's stupid and petty and musically cowardly. It is worth getting angry about because having Taylor along for a Sticky Fingers celebration is just about the only thing that could make it interesting. And at this stage of their career, who cares what the problems were? Maybe they haven't reached Mike Love/Beach Boys level, but pretty close...Bring out the matching Hawaiian shirts.

71Tele...I actually agree with all your post...I'm still hoping this is all a PR game. It will be a sour day for some us tomorrow if MT is completely ignored...

I am a big Stone's fan, since 1969. But there is not much I have not seen or heard from this band and there is nothing new to offer. I really don't care to hear Sticky Fingers without Mick Taylor's fingers. His contributions made the Sticky Fingers really great IMHO. I am in no rush to travel and spend big bucks for more predictable ancient weaving. I will be You Tubing this time if they leave him out.

Like it or not, but weaving is the antithesis of predictable.

Not much weaving these days, in other words

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Just heard at Q107.com that there will be no Mick Taylor on the coming tour. Kinda interesting that the kind of mentioned that first of all.

They might as well skip the whole Sticky Fingers concert theme if MT is not with them, IMHO.

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Just heard at Q107.com that there will be no Mick Taylor on the coming tour. Kinda interesting that the kind of mentioned that first of all.

They might as well skip the whole Sticky Fingers concert theme if MT is not with them, IMHO.

There's maybe nothing to skip when it wasn't planned in the first place.

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A man who's name seem to be Derringer.
They just repeated the news (official announcement) about a Stones tour but didn't repeat the part about no Taylor.