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"Exile On Main Street is not one of my favourite albums [...] It's just that I don't particularly think it's a great album.
-Mick Jagger, 2003

I fully agree.
Exile isnt part of the Big Four, it just isnt.
I´ve always said that and will keep on saying that no matter how unpopular that opinion might be amongst fans.

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If Exile wasn't part of the Big Four, then what is? Beggar's Banquet through Exile is one of the most remarkable creative stretches in the history of popular music. Not trying to be argumentative here but I sincerely believe this and Exile caps off that run with remarkable brilliance. Rocks Off, Happy, Casino Boogie, All Down The Line, Torn 'n' Frayed, Tumbling Dice, etc, etc; how is all that not brilliance? And the way it sits when ingested as a whole is something much greater than the sum of it's parts, much like The Rolling Stones themselves.

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"Exile On Main Street is not one of my favourite albums [...] It's just that I don't particularly think it's a great album.
-Mick Jagger, 2003

I fully agree.
Exile isnt part of the Big Four, it just isnt.
I´ve always said that and will keep on saying that no matter how unpopular that opinion might be amongst fans.

I've often said Dirty Work isn't in the Big 20. It may be unpopular, but I stand by it!

Full support for you at least from here!

Rocks Off, Tumbling Dice, Rip This Joint, Sweet Virginia, Loving Cup, All Down The Line, Happy, Shine A Light - not great songs? I'm scratching my head...

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Rocks Off, Tumbling Dice, Rip This Joint, Sweet Virginia, Loving Cup, All Down The Line, Happy, Shine A Light - not great songs? I'm scratching my head...

Great songs indeed.
But only half of the album. Most Exile-songs not mentioned above are subpar fillers that prevent Exile from being great. Mick seems to know that and so does your humble servant. Exile would have been great as a 12-track-album, just like ABB would have been a real treat as a 12-track-album.

If "The Big XX" means that the albums have to be released directly one after another then there are no Big Four, but only Big Three (BB, LIB,SF).

If it simply means their best albums (of original or mostly original material), no matter when they were released, then it´s the Big Six (BB, LIB, SF, Black & Blue, Undercover, Dirty Work).

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Rocks Off, Tumbling Dice, Rip This Joint, Sweet Virginia, Loving Cup, All Down The Line, Happy, Shine A Light - not great songs? I'm scratching my head...

Great songs indeed.
But only half of the album. Most Exile-songs not mentioned above are subpar fillers that prevent Exile from being great. Mick seems to know that and so does your humble servant. Exile would have been great as a 12-track-album, just like ABB would have been a real treat as a 12-track-album.

If "The Big XX" means that the albums have to be released directly one after another then there are no Big Four, but only Big Three (BB, LIB,SF).

If it simply means their best albums (of original or mostly original material), no matter when they were released, then it´s the Big Six (BB, LIB, SF, Black & Blue, Undercover, Dirty Work).

Is there really nothing in between "great songs" and "subpar fillers"? I would never dare to call Shake Your Hips, Sweet Black Angel, Turd On The Run, Torn And Frayed, Stop Breaking Down, Let It Loose, Ventilator Blues and others "subpar fillers". They are not even "fillers". They are the very essence of Stones music. Unlike, let's say, Back To Zero, Winning Ugly or Too Much Blood...

I thought I was the only one that doesn't think Exile is the best album in the Stones catalouge. As mentioned above Rocks Off and Casino Boogie are songs that comes to mind when argueing for what a great album it is. Rocks Off opends the album like Brown Sugar does and I'd say that is a good example: BS is one of their biggest classics while Rocks off more or less is a forgotten filler. When it comes to the classics on Exile, there are songs like Happy which in my opinion are porly played. Look what happened to Midnight Rambler from the studio version till the finished Ya Yas version. To me it's almost the same. The song is great but doesn' t reach to its potential before the whole band play it live on the american tour the year after it probably was recorded. If they had released the live version from '72, Happy would have been an elimentary classic on ther greatest hits albums. For me, Exile boils down to one perfect song (TS) and two really good songs ADTL and Ventilator Blues. The rest sounds like fillers, some great, others not. Anyway it's a huge amount of fillers for a double album. In general, I think, that many albums miss the great playing that Sticky Fingers has, and I beleave that particular album was more a democratic band thing than many of the other albums from their greatest periode.
Anyway I hope that I haven't offend anyone.

Rocks Off, Tumbling Dice, Rip This Joint, Sweet Virginia, Loving Cup, All Down The Line, Happy, Shine A Light [Let It Loose Soul Survivor Just Wanna See His Face]- not great songs?
I'm scratching my head [too]...

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Rocks Off, Tumbling Dice, Rip This Joint, Sweet Virginia, Loving Cup, All Down The Line, Happy, Shine A Light [Let It Loose Soul Survivor Just Wanna See His Face]- not great songs?
I'm scratching my head [too]...

Of course they are!

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Rocks Off, Tumbling Dice, Rip This Joint, Sweet Virginia, Loving Cup, All Down The Line, Happy, Shine A Light - not great songs? I'm scratching my head...

Great songs indeed.
But only half of the album. Most Exile-songs not mentioned above are subpar fillers that prevent Exile from being great. Mick seems to know that and so does your humble servant. Exile would have been great as a 12-track-album, just like ABB would have been a real treat as a 12-track-album.

If "The Big XX" means that the albums have to be released directly one after another then there are no Big Four, but only Big Three (BB, LIB,SF).

If it simply means their best albums (of original or mostly original material), no matter when they were released, then it´s the Big Six (BB, LIB, SF, Black & Blue, Undercover, Dirty Work).

Is there really nothing in between "great songs" and "subpar fillers"? I would never dare to call Shake Your Hips, Sweet Black Angel, Turd On The Run, Torn And Frayed, Stop Breaking Down, Let It Loose, Ventilator Blues and others "subpar fillers". They are not even "fillers". They are the very essence of Stones music. Unlike, let's say, Back To Zero, Winning Ugly or Too Much Blood...

Add Torn And Frayed, Stop Breaking Down,Let It Loose & Ventilator Blues to the eight songs you mentioned before, take care of proper sequencing and there it is: the great 12-track-single-LP-album Exile should have been.

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Rocks Off, Tumbling Dice, Rip This Joint, Sweet Virginia, Loving Cup, All Down The Line, Happy, Shine A Light - not great songs? I'm scratching my head...

Great songs indeed.
But only half of the album. Most Exile-songs not mentioned above are subpar fillers that prevent Exile from being great. Mick seems to know that and so does your humble servant. Exile would have been great as a 12-track-album, just like ABB would have been a real treat as a 12-track-album.

If "The Big XX" means that the albums have to be released directly one after another then there are no Big Four, but only Big Three (BB, LIB,SF).

If it simply means their best albums (of original or mostly original material), no matter when they were released, then it´s the Big Six (BB, LIB, SF, Black & Blue, Undercover, Dirty Work).

Is there really nothing in between "great songs" and "subpar fillers"? I would never dare to call Shake Your Hips, Sweet Black Angel, Turd On The Run, Torn And Frayed, Stop Breaking Down, Let It Loose, Ventilator Blues and others "subpar fillers". They are not even "fillers". They are the very essence of Stones music. Unlike, let's say, Back To Zero, Winning Ugly or Too Much Blood...

Add Torn And Frayed, Stop Breaking Down,Let It Loose & Ventilator Blues to the eight songs you mentioned before, take care of proper sequencing and there it is: the great 12-track-single-LP-album Exile should have been.

The album is great as it is - there is no need to cut the tracklist down just for your convenience. With a cheap CD burner you can create your "great 12-track-single-LP-album Exile should have been" on your own.



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The whole experience of Exile is what makes it amazing; it's the Stones' dark, murky journey through Americana. Exile was designed with the track listing in mind for LPs, so each side represents something different. It would be like cutting down Electric Ladyland.

Yeah this is what people don't understand about double albums : they're a journey not a compilation of hits. SF is a compilation of "hits read wonderul songs.

EOMS or ELL have highs, lows, slo-burners, not-so-much-of-a-song, that's what makes them a musical journeys.

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"Exile On Main Street is not one of my favourite albums [...] It's just that I don't particularly think it's a great album.
-Mick Jagger, 2003

I fully agree.
Exile isnt part of the Big Four, it just isnt.
I´ve always said that and will keep on saying that no matter how unpopular that opinion might be amongst fans.

You will continue to be wrong.

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Rocks Off, Tumbling Dice, Rip This Joint, Sweet Virginia, Loving Cup, All Down The Line, Happy, Shine A Light - not great songs? I'm scratching my head...

Great songs indeed.
But only half of the album. Most Exile-songs not mentioned above are subpar fillers that prevent Exile from being great. Mick seems to know that and so does your humble servant. Exile would have been great as a 12-track-album, just like ABB would have been a real treat as a 12-track-album.

If "The Big XX" means that the albums have to be released directly one after another then there are no Big Four, but only Big Three (BB, LIB,SF).

If it simply means their best albums (of original or mostly original material), no matter when they were released, then it´s the Big Six (BB, LIB, SF, Black & Blue, Undercover, Dirty Work).

Nope. U and DW are not great LPs in the terms of what is being talked about. Any serious fan can understand that.

You say "of original or mostly original material" yet... include LPs in your bunk Big Six that all but one feature... covers, with their beyond definitively worst LP of all time having the most covers of your bunk list.

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The whole experience of Exile is what makes it amazing; it's the Stones' dark, murky journey through Americana. Exile was designed with the track listing in mind for LPs, so each side represents something different. It would be like cutting down Electric Ladyland.

Yes - the whole notion of editing out half of Exile is ridiculous. It would be like editing out half the scenes from the Godfather...or half the chapters from The Grapes of Wrath...or erasing half of Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel paintings. You might end up with some great/interesting snippets, but you wouldn't be getting the full story/picture. It might work for someone with attention deficit disorder, but they'd be cheating themselves in the process. There's a reason why Exile is considered one of the greats amongst most Stones fans (and music fans in general), and that's simply because it is. And then there's those who feel the need to rewrite history to fulfill their personal fantasies and/or who have short attention span disorder...

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Indeed, What makes Exile great is that it needs to be taken as a whole piece of work. As others have posted, it's the whole- meaning the sum is greater than the parts. And I would argue that Exile contains very few filler songs. IMHO, I actually prefer "the filler" to the large hits (Tumbling Dice, Happy).

IMO its a step back from Sticky. They developt a sound, made Exile, and got back to LIB. I agree that one can't cut away any tracks, and the amount of fillers is not the problem. Though MT was much involved, it's a Keef album and cant be compared with the geratness of SF. It's a step back and thoug Goats Head Soup was a great album it doesn't reach the hight of SF. Sticky was the last peek. After that it was down hill. The good part is that they never whent off the clif

Exile On Main Street is a summary of the assimilation of the Stones musical influences up to that point in time. It doesn't need to be edited.

The reason I still listen to the Stones is the weird album tracks scattered through their discography. Stuff like Casino Boogie, Sway, Citadel, Stop Breaking Down. You can go on about "great songs" and "big hits" but I woudl rather listen to Sweet Black Angel than Angie any day.

Sometimes a performance or a groove or a solo make a song. Not all songs can be judged on whether you can play them on a single guitar or piano and it sounds like a hit. Is Turd on the Run a traditionally great song? Maybe not but I bloody love the churning groove and the clanging guitars!

If you want the hits stick on Forty Licks for a car journey but the reason the Stones have such staying power is the depth of the "filler" on their classic albums.

How people can moan about being given so much music is beyond me. Yes you can trim a few songs off Exile, but then it wouldn't be Exile!

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Indeed, What makes Exile great is that it needs to be taken as a whole piece of work. As others have posted, it's the whole- meaning the sum is greater than the parts. And I would argue that Exile contains very few filler songs. IMHO, I actually prefer "the filler" to the large hits (Tumbling Dice, Happy).

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Examples of Mick Taylor playing a Strat?

I am interested to know of any examples of Taylor using a Fender Stratocaster in any recording sessions? I read somewhere that he used a Strat for the Brown Sugar sessions at Muscle Shoals and he adds some twangs that sound like a Strat tremolo bar on If You Can't Rock Me. Any others? Any pics?
Thanks!

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Examples of Mick Taylor playing a Strat?

I am interested to know of any examples of Taylor using a Fender Stratocaster in any recording sessions? I read somewhere that he used a Strat for the Brown Sugar sessions at Muscle Shoals and he adds some twangs that sound like a Strat tremolo bar on If You Can't Rock Me. Any others? Any pics?
Thanks!

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This is a BS-version with Taylor, where he plays a short solo. Keith has some overdubs as well here, that didn't make it to the final version.

It's hard to tell if Taylor plays a Strat here, though.





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Any idea why so many 60's guitar gods swapped from Les Paul's to Strats? Fashion? Hendrix? Taylor, Clapton, Beck, even Richard Thompson!

Besides the difference in sounds due to pickup types and other aspects, it could be weight. Les Pauls are heavy guitars, and those guys are getting older.

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Examples of Mick Taylor playing a Strat?

I am interested to know of any examples of Taylor using a Fender Stratocaster in any recording sessions? I read somewhere that he used a Strat for the Brown Sugar sessions at Muscle Shoals and he adds some twangs that sound like a Strat tremolo bar on If You Can't Rock Me. Any others? Any pics?
Thanks!

He played also a Strato in Alabama, from his first album.

Mick Taylor rockin a Strat-

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He also used a Strat on Satisfaction and Silver Train with the Stones in 2013-2014, possibly also on Slipping Away and Streets Of Love.

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Mick Taylor rockin a Strat-

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wow,that's just how i remembered it-the first time i saw Mick play live was the 82 bluesbreakers reunion tour.

he played that lite green colored strat alot especially with the slide just like in this video.
it was pretty amazing because as you can see he still looked just like he did in the Stones and was really playing well.

i saw him again in 89 and he was playing the black 335 i think it is? the big gibson.he had gained some weight by then and someone said they thought Mick was turning into B.B. King.

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Mick Taylor rockin a Strat-

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wow,that's just how i remembered it-the first time i saw Mick play live was the 82 bluesbreakers reunion tour.

he played that lite green colored strat alot especially with the slide just like in this video.
it was pretty amazing because as you can see he still looked just like he did in the Stones and was really playing well.

i saw him again in 89 and he was playing the black 335 i think it is? the big gibson.he had gained some weight by then and someone said they thought Mick was turning into B.B. King.

Great picture, great musicians