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If they're going to be doing Sticky Fingers shows then it would make sense to have Taylor back. That section of the show will be an hour max probably so he wouldn't need to be on stage for all of it, if the others are that bothered by him being on stage for too long. That being said, they don't need Taylor to sell tickets and hell, Roger Waters toured two Floyd albums without any of the other members (barring Nick Mason guesting on some Dark Side shows and Gilmour guesting on Comfortably Numb in 2011).
It's a shame Taylor's role was never bigger, in the Fallon interview Keith did in 2013 he was saying how great it was to have 3 guitarists in the band. Wonder what happened. We'll see what happens. Hoping they come back to the UK this year preferably with MT.
I think that is the great mystery...what indeed was up with that decision?
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Yeah they sure have and pleez find any version over the last 40 years that is even close to the quality of what Mick Taylor put out from 69-73....
SFM from Stripped is my favourite live version. LIV from Live In Texas is another one. LWM from the 1995 single is probably the best they've ever done.
This is just from the top of my head. Oops! I forgot JJF from Live In Texas!
No, no, no, and...no.
You think I mis-remembered my favourite versions.
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You are soooo right. Why tease us with a concept album live and then go ahead and screw the fans to the tune of $250-600 ticket and not utilize Mick Taylor, the moat talented performer they have?
Sorry, but Mick Taylor is NOT the most talented performer they have.
Not by a long shot.
He added a great touch of nostalgia and some extra punch during the last few years but he isn't necessary.
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If they're going to be doing Sticky Fingers shows then it would make sense to have Taylor back. That section of the show will be an hour max probably so he wouldn't need to be on stage for all of it, if the others are that bothered by him being on stage for too long. That being said, they don't need Taylor to sell tickets and hell, Roger Waters toured two Floyd albums without any of the other members (barring Nick Mason guesting on some Dark Side shows and Gilmour guesting on Comfortably Numb in 2011).
It's a shame Taylor's role was never bigger, in the Fallon interview Keith did in 2013 he was saying how great it was to have 3 guitarists in the band. Wonder what happened. We'll see what happens. Hoping they come back to the UK this year preferably with MT.
I think that is the great mystery...what indeed was up with that decision?
The cynic in me says money is part of it - if he was on stage for most of (if not all) of the show then they'd have had to pay him more. There's also a practical element. In the interview Keith said that it would be great as the songs could be more like on the records as you have an extra guitar player to cover any extra guitar parts. The thing is that to have fully incorporated Taylor would have meant they'd have had to revise the arrangements of the songs that they've been playing that way for years. Perhaps it was just too much hassle for them.
Personally I would have been happier if CYHMN, Sway and Shine A Light were played every night in addition to Midnight Rambler. To take him around the globe to effectively play one song seemed a bit silly. Was also hoping he'd at least play o all the songs from his era.
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By the way, who is the greatest Taylorian here?
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treaclefingers
yeah I don't think it was the money. I doubt they'd be paying him 'per song'. The fact that he had to put his life on hold and travel with him...they had to pay for that.
BUT, I think you may be onto something with respect to the arrangements...hadn't considered that and maybe that actually would have been an issue, or at least required some work.
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I am no guitar player, so I cannot get into the technical aspect. But to my ears, he is the greatest guitar player ever, better than Clapton or Hendrix. For years now, when coming home late at night, I tell myself: "Time to enjoy some Mick Taylor with a glass of Isley". Same story with Entwistle: I keep listening to The Who records in order to enjoy his playing. I am therefore most grateful I had the opportunity to see him live in Madrid last Summer. By the way, who is the greatest Taylorian here? Dandelion Powderman?
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ronkeith72
Yeah they sure have and pleez find any version over the last 40 years that is even close to the quality of what Mick Taylor put out from 69-73....
SFM from Stripped is my favourite live version. LIV from Live In Texas is another one. LWM from the 1995 single is probably the best they've ever done.
This is just from the top of my head. Oops! I forgot JJF from Live In Texas!
No, no, no, and...no.
You think I mis-remembered my favourite versions.
No, I just think you are wrong about them being the best versions...but you knew that already.
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We wandered back to Charlie’s and lounged about whilst Charlie held his drum sticks and did some desultory warm ups. I stepped outside to chat quietly with Mick Taylor and the years rolled away. He wanted contact details and we exchanged E Mails and he told me how much it meant to him to be back in action and involved with The Stones.
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Yes, Taylor's silence of recent may mean somthing is in the works for his
participation. The stones should break the news and not Taylor. Because of
this I'm sure he would wait for an anouncement from the band.
Does anyone know what Mick Taylor is doing these days? I assume he is back
In the UK.
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Yes, Taylor's silence of recent may mean somthing is in the works for his
participation. The stones should break the news and not Taylor. Because of
this I'm sure he would wait for an anouncement from the band.
Does anyone know what Mick Taylor is doing these days? I assume he is back
In the UK.
Yes, I'm hoping he's holed up in his house or Ronnie's, relearning the intricacies of all the SF tunes so he can really contribute when he gets the call to perform them with the Stones. As much as people may think he's good enough to wing it I think some solid work and rehearsal with Ronnie Wood could produce amazing results. He can't just do what he used to since Ronnie has developed his parts for all those tunes.
The though of Taylor and Ronnie trading licks, fills and rhythms behind Keith's defining guitar excites me much more than the thought of Taylor soloing over Ronnie and Keith's playing. Work between Ronnie and Taylor could take the risk of having Taylor play this summer out of the equation and give the music a real exciting new edge. Without such work, I think the possibility of Taylor for an extended set is pretty low.
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I am no guitar player, so I cannot get into the technical aspect. But to my ears, he is the greatest guitar player ever, better than Clapton or Hendrix. For years now, when coming home late at night, I tell myself: "Time to enjoy some Mick Taylor with a glass of Isley".
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He is certainly necessary for Sticky Fingers.
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I am no guitar player, so I cannot get into the technical aspect. But to my ears, he is the greatest guitar player ever, better than Clapton or Hendrix. For years now, when coming home late at night, I tell myself: "Time to enjoy some Mick Taylor with a glass of Isley".
You're not alone; the "technical aspect" of which you speak is far beyond the reach of many guitar players as well. As an example, go to page 3 of this thread - the 2nd 'Tayor in Ochten video' - and listen from 0:40 to 1:00 - especially the section from 0:42 to 0:44. It is very doubtful that, say, a Brent Mason or Gary Clark, would be able to understand what Mick Taylor was thinking there. You're right about one thing though; the more Isley you drink, the better it sounds.
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Yeah they sure have and pleez find any version over the last 40 years that is even close to the quality of what Mick Taylor put out from 69-73....
SFM from Stripped is my favourite live version. LIV from Live In Texas is another one. LWM from the 1995 single is probably the best they've ever done.
This is just from the top of my head. Oops! I forgot JJF from Live In Texas!
No, no, no, and...no.
You think I mis-remembered my favourite versions.
No, I just think you are wrong about them being the best versions...but you knew that already.
I'm not wrong about what I think is best
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He is certainly necessary for Sticky Fingers.
That's a point Jagger would discuss :
- BS : played with Ron Wood since 1975
- Sway : played with Ron Wood since 2005
- Horses : played with Ron Wood since 1975
- Knocking : played with Ron Wood since 2002
- Gotta Move : played with Ron Wood in 1975
- Bitch : played with Ron Wood since 1989
- Got The BLues : played with Ron Wood in 1999
- Morphine : played with Ron Wood in 1997
- Flowers : played with Ron Wood since 1989
- Moonlight Mile : played with Ron Wood in 1999
So from Jagger's pov they can handle playing SF without Taylor.
Of course for us IORR people this is heresy...
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He is certainly necessary for Sticky Fingers.
That's a point Jagger would discuss :
- BS : played with Ron Wood since 1975
- Sway : played with Ron Wood since 2005
- Horses : played with Ron Wood since 1975
- Knocking : played with Ron Wood since 2002
- Gotta Move : played with Ron Wood in 1975
- Bitch : played with Ron Wood since 1989
- Got The BLues : played with Ron Wood in 1999
- Morphine : played with Ron Wood in 1997
- Flowers : played with Ron Wood since 1989
- Moonlight Mile : played with Ron Wood in 1999
So from Jagger's pov they can handle playing SF without Taylor.
Of course for us IORR people this is heresy...
Played with: Self-evident.
Played well with: Not so much.
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I am no guitar player, so I cannot get into the technical aspect. But to my ears, he is the greatest guitar player ever, better than Clapton or Hendrix. For years now, when coming home late at night, I tell myself: "Time to enjoy some Mick Taylor with a glass of Isley".
You're not alone; the "technical aspect" of which you speak is far beyond the reach of many guitar players as well. As an example, go to page 3 of this thread - the 2nd 'Tayor in Ochten video' - and listen from 0:40 to 1:00 - especially the section from 0:42 to 0:44. It is very doubtful that, say, a Brent Mason or Gary Clark, would be able to understand what Mick Taylor was thinking there. You're right about one thing though; the more Isley you drink, the better it sounds.
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I am no guitar player, so I cannot get into the technical aspect. But to my ears, he is the greatest guitar player ever, better than Clapton or Hendrix. For years now, when coming home late at night, I tell myself: "Time to enjoy some Mick Taylor with a glass of Isley".
You're not alone; the "technical aspect" of which you speak is far beyond the reach of many guitar players as well. As an example, go to page 3 of this thread - the 2nd 'Tayor in Ochten video' - and listen from 0:40 to 1:00 - especially the section from 0:42 to 0:44. It is very doubtful that, say, a Brent Mason or Gary Clark, would be able to understand what Mick Taylor was thinking there. You're right about one thing though; the more Isley you drink, the better it sounds.
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TonyMo
You're not alone; the "technical aspect" of which you speak is far beyond the reach of many guitar players as well. As an example, go to page 3 of this thread - the 2nd 'Tayor in Ochten video' - and listen from 0:40 to 1:00 - especially the section from 0:42 to 0:44. It is very doubtful that, say, a Brent Mason or Gary Clark, would be able to understand what Mick Taylor was thinking there. You're right about one thing though; the more Isley you drink, the better it sounds.
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71Tele
Played with: Self-evident.
Played well with: Not so much.
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DoomandGloom
The Sticky Fingers concept seems like a dull idea for playing stadiums. I'd have little problem enjoying it but for the rowdy stadium crowd slow songs about dope and people on dope and getting dope and running out of dope might be a touch boring. Without Taylor, why bother? SMU, IORR let's go..... Personally I'd rather hear some oldies that have lost rotation. "Under My Thumb." "Ruby Tuesday" "Star Star" "Let It Bleed" "Bye Bye Johnny" "Lady Jane" "Salt of The Earth". All songs almost everyone attending would know and well within Keith and Ron's comfort range. Sticky Fingers in stadiums across the US would have been great once but not a good choice now.
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Played with: Self-evident.
Played well with: Not so much.
+1. Obviously they *can* play the stuff without Taylor, it just doesn't sound very good when they do. I'll give them a pass on Brown Sugar and Bitch, to which Ronnie and Keith (respectively) still play some good stuff. The rest of the songs, no.