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They went that way more than 40 years ago, though. Band mates and partners, but not close like they were in the beginning.
Sure, but Mick was still certainly supportive of Keith over the years, and even in 1983 they would still sit on the same couch and be interviewed together. Keith certainly tested Mick's good will and generosity over the years and after the eighties Keith seems to have taken him for granted, finally going one step too far with the rift that Life created, after which Mick was loathe to be in the same room with him when not onstage.
Something was broken forever after WWIII. Seemingly, they made an agreement.
But the chat Mick and Keith had alone after the Super Bowl-gig was very interesting indeed. They didn't seem to know that they were being filmed. You could sense some of the old friendship in that conversation.
Haven't been able to find that clip on Youtube for a while, though...
Behind the scenes at the superbowl this one ?
[youtu.be]
Prince Rupert is very interesting about Mick and Keith - a different angle perhaps ?
"In 1985, Mick tested out his solo career by releasing the album She’s The Boss. This marked the beginning of what Keith has since dubbed ‘World War Three’.
The truth is the pair were just going through a bad patch. Mick and Keith had, by this point, been working together for nearly 25 years, much of that spent under media scrutiny.
I remembered what one of my relations, who dabbled in psychoanalysis, had once told me. How right Uncle Werner was about Mick and Keith’s trouble. His view was that a dispute like theirs – a form of divorce – is enormously complicated by being between two men each fighting to prove his male sexual dominance. In a way, Keith is coming out as the winner on a human level – Mick on a professional one. Alas! Keith is right and that is the problem. Mick has no real career aside from his vast talent as a rock performer with Keith.
There was one embarrassing time when Mick wanted to have extra remuneration on everything because, in his view, he was the quasi-manager. I had a call from Keith a couple of hours later. He said: ‘Rupert, do you think Mick’s interventions in the things that you do make us money or lose us money?’ I reassured him: ‘I know what you mean – it won’t happen.’
But that proved to me that Keith knew what it was about, and could deal with issues rationally"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-01-09 14:47 by EJM.
Keith said he showed his book to Mick before to publish it. So I think they spoke to each other at that time.
Maybe they wait for the other one to lower his guard and show some affection.
"If he calls me for non-business reasons I'll see this as a positive sign and Il'l make a step forward"
They're too extremely intelligent persons so why shouldn't their relationship be very complex?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2015-01-10 21:54 by dcba.
Yeah
I don't believe this one minute.
They're both hardened people, hardened by insults, hatred, the guns pointed at them by cops, hardened by jail and judges. Let's say they have a shield, but they're not desensitized.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Thanks, don't remember seeing this. I don't quite understand what Mick's staying though, "oh there/hold on" before "you sounded fantastic" ?
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I think that even Lennon will admit that he's just a jealous guy though.
Well I always thought Keith was the one shooting water rats and feeding them to his geese.......
peace
Lennon was a bitter jealous old man with questionable tastes in women, period.
Had he lived till the new millenium he'd be some sort of Ginger Baker with a Hummingbird guitar...
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I think you have it wrong about Lennon. He liked to talk and he was free with his opinions. I don't think he was bitter at all. And often he would say stuff to shock and provoke. And he was massively impulsive. And to say someone has questionable taste about women when he we with the woman HE loved is just petty and mean spirited. Actually, that seems more bitter than Lennon.
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Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
stonehearted
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Date: January 9, 2015 11:51
<<Do people need to socialise with their business partners and workmates?>>
Not if they start out that way.
But in the case of Mick and Keith it has turned out the opposite from the way it does for most people. Many times business partners and workmates become friends over time, but in the case of Mick and Keith, these are two individuals who started out as friends but who instead became merely business partners. There's a strange and storied dynamic at work there, which is, to say the least, quite compelling.
Not if they start out that way.
But in the case of Mick and Keith it has turned out the opposite from the way it does for most people. Many times business partners and workmates become friends over time, but in the case of Mick and Keith, these are two individuals who started out as friends but who instead became merely business partners. There's a strange and storied dynamic at work there, which is, to say the least, quite compelling.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: January 9, 2015 11:58
Quote
stonehearted
<<Do people need to socialise with their business partners and workmates?>>
Not if they start out that way.
But in the case of Mick and Keith it has turned out the opposite from the way it does for most people. Many times business partners and workmates become friends over time, but in the case of Mick and Keith, these are two individuals who started out as friends but who instead became merely business partners. There's a strange and storied dynamic at work there, which is, to say the least, quite compelling.
They went that way more than 40 years ago, though. Band mates and partners, but not close like they were in the beginning.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: January 9, 2015 12:56
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
stonehearted
<<Do people need to socialise with their business partners and workmates?>>
Not if they start out that way.
But in the case of Mick and Keith it has turned out the opposite from the way it does for most people. Many times business partners and workmates become friends over time, but in the case of Mick and Keith, these are two individuals who started out as friends but who instead became merely business partners. There's a strange and storied dynamic at work there, which is, to say the least, quite compelling.
They went that way more than 40 years ago, though. Band mates and partners, but not close like they were in the beginning.
Sure, but Mick was still certainly supportive of Keith over the years, and even in 1983 they would still sit on the same couch and be interviewed together. Keith certainly tested Mick's good will and generosity over the years and after the eighties Keith seems to have taken him for granted, finally going one step too far with the rift that Life created, after which Mick was loathe to be in the same room with him when not onstage.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 9, 2015 13:00
Quote
stoneheartedQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
stonehearted
<<Do people need to socialise with their business partners and workmates?>>
Not if they start out that way.
But in the case of Mick and Keith it has turned out the opposite from the way it does for most people. Many times business partners and workmates become friends over time, but in the case of Mick and Keith, these are two individuals who started out as friends but who instead became merely business partners. There's a strange and storied dynamic at work there, which is, to say the least, quite compelling.
They went that way more than 40 years ago, though. Band mates and partners, but not close like they were in the beginning.
Sure, but Mick was still certainly supportive of Keith over the years, and even in 1983 they would still sit on the same couch and be interviewed together. Keith certainly tested Mick's good will and generosity over the years and after the eighties Keith seems to have taken him for granted, finally going one step too far with the rift that Life created, after which Mick was loathe to be in the same room with him when not onstage.
Something was broken forever after WWIII. Seemingly, they made an agreement.
But the chat Mick and Keith had alone after the Super Bowl-gig was very interesting indeed. They didn't seem to know that they were being filmed. You could sense some of the old friendship in that conversation.
Haven't been able to find that clip on Youtube for a while, though...
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
EJM
()
Date: January 9, 2015 14:35
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
stoneheartedQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
stonehearted
<<Do people need to socialise with their business partners and workmates?>>
Not if they start out that way.
But in the case of Mick and Keith it has turned out the opposite from the way it does for most people. Many times business partners and workmates become friends over time, but in the case of Mick and Keith, these are two individuals who started out as friends but who instead became merely business partners. There's a strange and storied dynamic at work there, which is, to say the least, quite compelling.
They went that way more than 40 years ago, though. Band mates and partners, but not close like they were in the beginning.
Sure, but Mick was still certainly supportive of Keith over the years, and even in 1983 they would still sit on the same couch and be interviewed together. Keith certainly tested Mick's good will and generosity over the years and after the eighties Keith seems to have taken him for granted, finally going one step too far with the rift that Life created, after which Mick was loathe to be in the same room with him when not onstage.
Something was broken forever after WWIII. Seemingly, they made an agreement.
But the chat Mick and Keith had alone after the Super Bowl-gig was very interesting indeed. They didn't seem to know that they were being filmed. You could sense some of the old friendship in that conversation.
Haven't been able to find that clip on Youtube for a while, though...
Behind the scenes at the superbowl this one ?
[youtu.be]
Prince Rupert is very interesting about Mick and Keith - a different angle perhaps ?
"In 1985, Mick tested out his solo career by releasing the album She’s The Boss. This marked the beginning of what Keith has since dubbed ‘World War Three’.
The truth is the pair were just going through a bad patch. Mick and Keith had, by this point, been working together for nearly 25 years, much of that spent under media scrutiny.
I remembered what one of my relations, who dabbled in psychoanalysis, had once told me. How right Uncle Werner was about Mick and Keith’s trouble. His view was that a dispute like theirs – a form of divorce – is enormously complicated by being between two men each fighting to prove his male sexual dominance. In a way, Keith is coming out as the winner on a human level – Mick on a professional one. Alas! Keith is right and that is the problem. Mick has no real career aside from his vast talent as a rock performer with Keith.
There was one embarrassing time when Mick wanted to have extra remuneration on everything because, in his view, he was the quasi-manager. I had a call from Keith a couple of hours later. He said: ‘Rupert, do you think Mick’s interventions in the things that you do make us money or lose us money?’ I reassured him: ‘I know what you mean – it won’t happen.’
But that proved to me that Keith knew what it was about, and could deal with issues rationally"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-01-09 14:47 by EJM.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: January 9, 2015 14:51
Yep, thanks for posting. Round the 2:20-mark. Very brief, but while he's still high from the performance, Mick is very nice to Keith there
Yeah, the Prince Rupert take on it is indeed interesting.
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Yeah, the Prince Rupert take on it is indeed interesting.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-01-09 14:54 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
EJM
()
Date: January 9, 2015 16:48
I think you are right, that Keith in particular never really recovered from WW 111 In the todgergste apology press releases mick comments about it and makes some remark about not understanding why they have to keep going on about stuff that happened so long ago and in Life Keith comments about how he reacted to Mick going on tour (with a Keith look alike) and how Mick may not have realised " how deep the hurt went".
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
Niek
()
Date: January 9, 2015 17:36
Very interesting to read all your comments. Keep them coming. Just fascinating.
I have no insight information but just looking at their smiles and interactions on stage there must be some friendship. That was real, real joy. But there was (almost?) none in the O2 at the beginning of 50 and counting. But more in Hyde Park en much more in the European tour 14 on fire.I don't believe that was just for the show.
(Always took candy from strangers)
I have no insight information but just looking at their smiles and interactions on stage there must be some friendship. That was real, real joy. But there was (almost?) none in the O2 at the beginning of 50 and counting. But more in Hyde Park en much more in the European tour 14 on fire.I don't believe that was just for the show.
(Always took candy from strangers)
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: January 9, 2015 19:58
I am trying very hard to think of any major artists (groups that is) who:
record new material/perform/socialise with each other/dont bitch.
After 30 years together, let alone 50.
Proving difficult.
Answers on a postcard.
record new material/perform/socialise with each other/dont bitch.
After 30 years together, let alone 50.
Proving difficult.
Answers on a postcard.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
lem motlow
()
Date: January 9, 2015 21:35
when i finally figured out that mick wasnt some flake who tried to destroy my favorite band by trying to become michael jackson,i learned very quickly that nearly every person talking about him had an agenda-
you can put them in categories-
1.ex-employee
2.ex-lover
usually after mick dumps/fires/stops calling- they get upset,go crying to keith,write a book-lather rinse repeat
prince ruperts skills were used AFTER the money was made-tax shelters etc,he was a financial advisor.
the deals with record companies and tour promoters were done by mick on behalf of the band.
you can put them in categories-
1.ex-employee
2.ex-lover
usually after mick dumps/fires/stops calling- they get upset,go crying to keith,write a book-lather rinse repeat
prince ruperts skills were used AFTER the money was made-tax shelters etc,he was a financial advisor.
the deals with record companies and tour promoters were done by mick on behalf of the band.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 9, 2015 22:19
....Then we meet up in this room in the middle to laugh about it
there ya have it .... It's all show-biz....
ROCKMAN
there ya have it .... It's all show-biz....
ROCKMAN
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
lem motlow
()
Date: January 9, 2015 22:37
man that boy is smooth,henry kissinger has nothing on mick jagger.
did they even speak face to face from 2007 to 2012?
did they even speak face to face from 2007 to 2012?
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
marlau
()
Date: January 10, 2015 21:22
Quote
lem motlow
man that boy is smooth,henry kissinger has nothing on mick jagger.
did they even speak face to face from 2007 to 2012?
Keith said he showed his book to Mick before to publish it. So I think they spoke to each other at that time.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: January 10, 2015 21:53
Quote
DandelionPowderman
But the chat Mick and Keith had alone after the Super Bowl-gig was very interesting indeed. They didn't seem to know that they were being filmed. You could sense some of the old friendship in that conversation.
Maybe they wait for the other one to lower his guard and show some affection.
"If he calls me for non-business reasons I'll see this as a positive sign and Il'l make a step forward"
They're too extremely intelligent persons so why shouldn't their relationship be very complex?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2015-01-10 21:54 by dcba.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
marlau
()
Date: January 11, 2015 17:26
Quote
dcbaQuote
DandelionPowderman
But the chat Mick and Keith had alone after the Super Bowl-gig was very interesting indeed. They didn't seem to know that they were being filmed. You could sense some of the old friendship in that conversation.
Maybe they wait for the other one to lower his guard and show some affection.
"If he calls me for non-business reasons I'll see this as a positive sign and Il'l make a step forward"
They're too extremely intelligent persons so why shouldn't their relationship be very complex?
Yeah
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
From4tilLate
()
Date: January 12, 2015 07:04
Were they ever really that close? Do we even know that? They're both very hard people. Unsentimental. Even for all of Keith's "man of the people" persona, I don't buy it. They're both hard. They use people up and spit them out. And they used each other the same way. Were they ever really together on those long trips to Italy and Brazil except that they had to be together to write songs? Keith's made all his resentments known to the world. Mick hasn't. And I suspect his resentments are just as deep and go back in time much further. Keith's drug use split them up. I don't buy that Mick was greedy to take over the reins when Keith was on his back. He had to do it. If he hadn't, there would have been no band. The only person they never managed to break was Charlie, and he's in a class by himself. No man is Charlie Watts.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-01-12 07:05 by From4tilLate.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: January 12, 2015 13:07
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From4tilLate
They're both very hard people. Unsentimental.
I don't believe this one minute.
They're both hardened people, hardened by insults, hatred, the guns pointed at them by cops, hardened by jail and judges. Let's say they have a shield, but they're not desensitized.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again? Posted by:
marlau
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Date: January 13, 2015 01:14
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dcbaQuote
From4tilLate
They're both very hard people. Unsentimental.
I don't believe this one minute.
They're both hardened people, hardened by insults, hatred, the guns pointed at them by cops, hardened by jail and judges. Let's say they have a shield, but they're not desensitized.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: January 14, 2015 16:59
Possibly of some relevance:
JOHN LENNON PLAYBOY INTERVIEW SEPT 1980.
"You know they are congratulating the Stones on being together 112 years. Whooopee! At least Charlie and Bill still got their families. In the (19)80s they will be asking "Why are these guys still together? Cant they hang it on their own? Why do they have to be surrounded by a gang? Is the little leader scared someones gonna knife him in the back?" Thats gonna be the question! They are going to look back at the Beatles and the Stones and all those guys as relics. The days when all those guys were just men will be on the news reels, you know. They will show pictures of the guy with lipstick wriggling his ass and the four guys with the evil black make up trying to look raunchy. Thats gonna be the joke in the future, not a couple siging together or living and working together. Its alright when you are 16,17,18 to have male companions and idols. OK? Its tribal and its gang and its fine. But when it continues and you sre stll doing it when you are 40, that means you are stll 16 in your head."
JOHN LENNON PLAYBOY INTERVIEW SEPT 1980.
"You know they are congratulating the Stones on being together 112 years. Whooopee! At least Charlie and Bill still got their families. In the (19)80s they will be asking "Why are these guys still together? Cant they hang it on their own? Why do they have to be surrounded by a gang? Is the little leader scared someones gonna knife him in the back?" Thats gonna be the question! They are going to look back at the Beatles and the Stones and all those guys as relics. The days when all those guys were just men will be on the news reels, you know. They will show pictures of the guy with lipstick wriggling his ass and the four guys with the evil black make up trying to look raunchy. Thats gonna be the joke in the future, not a couple siging together or living and working together. Its alright when you are 16,17,18 to have male companions and idols. OK? Its tribal and its gang and its fine. But when it continues and you sre stll doing it when you are 40, that means you are stll 16 in your head."
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
gotdablouse
()
Date: January 14, 2015 17:13
Thanks, don't remember seeing this. I don't quite understand what Mick's staying though, "oh there/hold on" before "you sounded fantastic" ?
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Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: January 14, 2015 17:14
Quote
jlowe
Possibly of some relevance:
JOHN LENNON PLAYBOY INTERVIEW SEPT 1980.
"You know they are congratulating the Stones on being together 112 years. Whooopee! At least Charlie and Bill still got their families. In the (19)80s they will be asking "Why are these guys still together? Cant they hang it on their own? Why do they have to be surrounded by a gang? Is the little leader scared someones gonna knife him in the back?" Thats gonna be the question! They are going to look back at the Beatles and the Stones and all those guys as relics. The days when all those guys were just men will be on the news reels, you know. They will show pictures of the guy with lipstick wriggling his ass and the four guys with the evil black make up trying to look raunchy. Thats gonna be the joke in the future, not a couple siging together or living and working together. Its alright when you are 16,17,18 to have male companions and idols. OK? Its tribal and its gang and its fine. But when it continues and you sre stll doing it when you are 40, that means you are stll 16 in your head."
I think that even Lennon will admit that he's just a jealous guy though.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
duke richardson
()
Date: January 14, 2015 18:31
one might ask what Lennon had against a band staying together? not a positive attitude about that..
reckon he equated it with playing it safe..?
reckon he equated it with playing it safe..?
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: January 14, 2015 20:31
Quote
From4tilLate
Were they ever really that close? Do we even know that?.
Well I always thought Keith was the one shooting water rats and feeding them to his geese.......
peace
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
crawdaddy
()
Date: January 14, 2015 20:41
Not having read through all the pages, I think Mick and Keith are more like brothers than friends .
Brothers can hate each other at times and love each other at other times.
Ronnie and Charlie are probably more easy going and get on with most people,including band mates.
Every person on this planet is different to everyone else, even including twins,triplets etc.
Brothers can hate each other at times and love each other at other times.
Ronnie and Charlie are probably more easy going and get on with most people,including band mates.
Every person on this planet is different to everyone else, even including twins,triplets etc.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: January 14, 2015 21:08
Well said, Tony 
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: January 14, 2015 21:48
Quote
jlowe
Possibly of some relevance:
JOHN LENNON PLAYBOY INTERVIEW SEPT 1980.
Lennon was a bitter jealous old man with questionable tastes in women, period.
Had he lived till the new millenium he'd be some sort of Ginger Baker with a Hummingbird guitar...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-01-14 21:50 by dcba.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
crawdaddy
()
Date: January 14, 2015 22:57
Hope to see you again in the summer Bard.
U.K. or Scandanavia.
U.K. or Scandanavia.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: January 15, 2015 01:23
<<JOHN LENNON PLAYBOY INTERVIEW SEPT 1980.
"You know they are congratulating the Stones on being together 112 years. Whooopee! At least Charlie and Bill still got their families. In the (19)80s they will be asking "Why are these guys still together?>>
You have to give him credit on that prediction. Even Mick was asking himself that question by 1985 or so. Steel Wheels was technically, but not officially, a reunion.
"You know they are congratulating the Stones on being together 112 years. Whooopee! At least Charlie and Bill still got their families. In the (19)80s they will be asking "Why are these guys still together?>>
You have to give him credit on that prediction. Even Mick was asking himself that question by 1985 or so. Steel Wheels was technically, but not officially, a reunion.
Re: Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Posted by:
whitem8
()
Date: January 15, 2015 03:43
Quote
dcbaQuote
jlowe
Possibly of some relevance:
JOHN LENNON PLAYBOY INTERVIEW SEPT 1980.
Lennon was a bitter jealous old man with questionable tastes in women, period.
Had he lived till the new millenium he'd be some sort of Ginger Baker with a Hummingbird guitar...
I think you have it wrong about Lennon. He liked to talk and he was free with his opinions. I don't think he was bitter at all. And often he would say stuff to shock and provoke. And he was massively impulsive. And to say someone has questionable taste about women when he we with the woman HE loved is just petty and mean spirited. Actually, that seems more bitter than Lennon.
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