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Yes there's a lot of frustration in Weston CT.
And of course BW was right but the funny thing is that at this moment he's touring and playing decade-old songs live on stage...
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...I cannot help thinking but that LIFE actually created a real problem between the two principals, which needed to be sorted out before Jagger was willing to work with Keith again. According to Keith, it took them for a year to discuss the matter, and each of them have admitted that Keith had apogolized. Since no details are given (good), the "apology" could refer to all those discussions they had gone through, or was done within the course of them. Even though people here seem to speculate about the statement of Jagger's, I think Keith's one speaks more volumes: the one in which he would lie to his mother for the sake of getting the band going, is a damn straight confession what he needed actually to do.
So, to go back to the original quote/statement we started with - it reflects very well the sentiments of frustration Keith was going through at the late 2011. The phone just refused to ring.
Well, that was one way to interpret the hints their public statements offer...
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Yes there's a lot of frustration in Weston CT.
And of course BW was right but the funny thing is that at this moment he's touring and playing decade-old songs live on stage...
And he seems to enjoy doing this... maybe Bill - unlike Keith, it seems - came to terms with the fact that true creativity, like everything, has only a limited lifespan and can't last forever...
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Yes there's a lot of frustration in Weston CT.
And of course BW was right but the funny thing is that at this moment he's touring and playing decade-old songs live on stage...
And he seems to enjoy doing this... maybe Bill - unlike Keith, it seems - came to terms with the fact that true creativity, like everything, has only a limited lifespan and can't last forever...
I have my doubts about that one...not just because I'm a creative
Have a listen to Leonard Cohen's latest album for example. I'm sure many on iorr know other people who in various forms of art & culture are still being creatively active in ther seventies. Poets, writers, painters, filmmakers, musicians, photographers.
It depends on the person and his or her circumstances.
Take the difference between MJ & KR. What KR has been doing in the last 20 years is what MJ is doing in two years...and I think I'm being nice to KR with that.
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Yes there's a lot of frustration in Weston CT.
And of course BW was right but the funny thing is that at this moment he's touring and playing decade-old songs live on stage...
And he seems to enjoy doing this... maybe Bill - unlike Keith, it seems - came to terms with the fact that true creativity, like everything, has only a limited lifespan and can't last forever...
I have my doubts about that one...not just because I'm a creative
Have a listen to Leonard Cohen's latest album for example. I'm sure many on iorr know other people who in various forms of art & culture are still being creatively active in ther seventies. Poets, writers, painters, filmmakers, musicians, photographers.
It depends on the person and his or her circumstances.
Take the difference between MJ & KR. What KR has been doing in the last 20 years is what MJ is doing in two years...and I think I'm being nice to KR with that.
Apples and oranges.
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It depends on the person and his or her circumstances.
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Yes there's a lot of frustration in Weston CT.
And of course BW was right but the funny thing is that at this moment he's touring and playing decade-old songs live on stage...
And he seems to enjoy doing this... maybe Bill - unlike Keith, it seems - came to terms with the fact that true creativity, like everything, has only a limited lifespan and can't last forever...
I have my doubts about that one...not just because I'm a creative
Have a listen to Leonard Cohen's latest album for example. I'm sure many on iorr know other people who in various forms of art & culture are still being creatively active in ther seventies. Poets, writers, painters, filmmakers, musicians, photographers.
It depends on the person and his or her circumstances.
Take the difference between MJ & KR. What KR has been doing in the last 20 years is what MJ is doing in two years...and I think I'm being nice to KR with that.
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Any acknowledgement of a residual bond always pleases fans and there may be some hope, as there was a time when Mick could not bear to be near Keith which seems to have improved on this tour.
I can see that, and of course I understand the logic that if all is well between them, it theoretically increases the possibility that we fans will also benefit: Great shows, new music, whatever.
Bill Wyman once stated the he left the band at a time when all was said and done really - after the 1989/1990 world tour. Didn't history prove him right in a way? As I see it, Life is just the result of Keith's frustration with the development of the band after their promising "comeback" with Steel Wheels (album and world tour). All the money they - including, of course, Keith - made in the meantime aside, it seems clear that Keith blames Mick for this development ("Mick could have had every song I have ever written") - focussing on money-generating world tours, but losing the focus on the actual music the band was playing. So in a way, Keith maybe shares my own frustration with the band - except that I don't blame any individual band members for the loss of the creative spark to create new music over the years. It seems such a huge waste of talent that musicians of their calibre are reduced to reproduce decade-old songs live on stage, but maybe there's more truth in Bill Wyman's statement than we all, and Keith in particular, dare to acknowledge.
Yes there's a lot of frustration in Weston CT.
And of course BW was right but the funny thing is that at this moment he's touring and playing decade-old songs live on stage...
I don't think there is much frustration in Weston CT, I think there is a happy man, thanking his luck in having a healthy wife,against all expectation , getting a return of a little of his skill and having one more shot to play with the stones
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It depends on the person and his or her circumstances.
Absolutely, and that's what I meant, Dreamer. The "limited lifespan" is not to be understood as an absolute term. Exactly how limited it is depends on the individual artists (and of course his or her circumstances). I can only imagine that for a songwriting team like Jagger-Richards, it can only work as long as each member comes up with roughly the same amount of ideas, song sketches or finished compositions. When the ratio slowly falls to, let's say 10:90, the person who is responsible for 90% of new material might not be all too happy anymore with a legal situation that requires a "Jagger/Richards" tag and consequently a 50:50 income share. Keith's quote "Mick could have had every song that I have ever written" can be interpreted as a denial of a writer's block, like "I still write tons of songs, it's just that Mick is turning them down for Stones projects", which of course means that Keith is (or was at the time of writing "Life") blaming Mick for the lack of new Stones output and consequently the development of the band into an oldies act. Maybe these "between the lines"-accusations pissed Mick off more than "Dodgergate"?
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Yes there's a lot of frustration in Weston CT.
And of course BW was right but the funny thing is that at this moment he's touring and playing decade-old songs live on stage...
And he seems to enjoy doing this... maybe Bill - unlike Keith, it seems - came to terms with the fact that true creativity, like everything, has only a limited lifespan and can't last forever...
I have my doubts about that one...not just because I'm a creative
Have a listen to Leonard Cohen's latest album for example. I'm sure many on iorr know other people who in various forms of art & culture are still being creatively active in ther seventies. Poets, writers, painters, filmmakers, musicians, photographers.
It depends on the person and his or her circumstances.
Take the difference between MJ & KR. What KR has been doing in the last 20 years is what MJ is doing in two years...and I think I'm being nice to KR with that.
I guess we'll see when Keith's new material with Steve Jordan comes out. Of course, it will not compensate for the lack of material in the last 20 years, but it will show what Keith is capable of now.
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I think it's true that Mick has carried more weight, but mainly on the touring part. The albums were obviously joint efforts up till B2B. ABB was really the first album where most of the songs came from Mick after the 1989 comeback.
And there is always two sides to a conflict. None of the glimmers are angels...
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Happy new year, Dreamer
Let's face it. The Stones haven't been an active (creativity-wise) band since 2007. Back then they toured an album that was a close collaboration between Mick and Keith in the studio - for the first time since maybe 1989. Mick brought in most of the songs for those sessions, of course.
However, we need someone to shed some light on the Paris sessions before the Licks tour (29 songs, was it?). Were those all Mick's, and why did they scrap most of these tracks? Yes. Because they were all Mick's...
1996-97 was a musical "todgergate".
Was 2004/2005 the first time Keith didn't bring enough good stuff to the table - and did they have problems in Paris on the ABB-sessions. No. Yes.
There are lots of things the random Joe Fan doesn't know (but perhaps you do?) - and that's why it is kinda difficult speculating on why things turned out the way they did, imo.
Physical things, illness, bad chemistry, old age, family. Take a pick. There could be a vast number of reasons instead of downright meanness or free-riding.
What I'm trying to say is that this could be more complicated than what you're (not so subtly) insinuating
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Happy new year, Dreamer
Let's face it. The Stones haven't been an active (creativity-wise) band since 2007. Back then they toured an album that was a close collaboration between Mick and Keith in the studio - for the first time since maybe 1989. Mick brought in most of the songs for those sessions, of course.
However, we need someone to shed some light on the Paris sessions before the Licks tour (29 songs, was it?). Were those all Mick's, and why did they scrap most of these tracks? Yes. Because they were all Mick's...
1996-97 was a musical "todgergate".
Was 2004/2005 the first time Keith didn't bring enough good stuff to the table - and did they have problems in Paris on the ABB-sessions. No. Yes.
There are lots of things the random Joe Fan doesn't know (but perhaps you do?) - and that's why it is kinda difficult speculating on why things turned out the way they did, imo.
Physical things, illness, bad chemistry, old age, family. Take a pick. There could be a vast number of reasons instead of downright meanness or free-riding.
What I'm trying to say is that this could be more complicated than what you're (not so subtly) insinuating
Same to you: happy new year Bard!
It's mainly bad chemistry due to things I 'not so subtly' wrote
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Keith could have fooled me with Losing My Touch and (parts of) Keys To Your Love, but ok
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Keith could have fooled me with Losing My Touch and (parts of) Keys To Your Love, but ok
Keith can fool anyone.[/quote
He didnt fool Ry Cooder!
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Keith could have fooled me with Losing My Touch and (parts of) Keys To Your Love, but ok
Keith can fool anyone.[/quote
He didnt fool Ry Cooder!
Yeah, Ry wrote HTW and the entire LIB...
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Maybe it's best to describe Mick and Keith as friends who can't stand each other.
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Have Mick and Keith become friends again?
Do we see photos like this in later years?
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Maybe it's best to describe Mick and Keith as friends who can't stand each other.