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stonehearted
The above link to the material received by "Bill Wyman" has I believe been posted here before and has been determined to be fake. It is merely "he saw that it seemed to be the thoughts, at some length, of singer Mick Jagger".... Therefore, an imagined response of Mick over Keith's autobio. The "journalist" in question is also named "Bill Wyman".
So, the words "I am, I see here, marginally endowed, if I read Keith's sniggering aright. I do not sing well, either" should not be taken as a quote, but instead merely as a fictional speculation, nothing more. Otherwise, it would have been more widely disseminated and confirmed by Jagger himself, in follow-up interviews. As far as we can tell, he has never publicly officially commented on his longtime business partner's tell-all book.
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Bliss
Back to my point...could Mick and Keith really be close, if their r'ship had progressed in the manner described in the article? Much of what has been described are matters of fact, not conjecture.
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stonehearted
The above link to the material received by "Bill Wyman" has I believe been posted here before and has been determined to be fake. It is merely "he saw that it seemed to be the thoughts, at some length, of singer Mick Jagger".... Therefore, an imagined response of Mick over Keith's autobio. The "journalist" in question is also named "Bill Wyman".
So, the words "I am, I see here, marginally endowed, if I read Keith's sniggering aright. I do not sing well, either" should not be taken as a quote, but instead merely as a fictional speculation, nothing more. Otherwise, it would have been more widely disseminated and confirmed by Jagger himself, in follow-up interviews. As far as we can tell, he has never publicly officially commented on his longtime business partner's tell-all book.
If you bothered to read the article, you would see it's not a fake. It doesn't claim to be written by Bill (Perks) Wyman, or by Mick. It is a respected rock journalist's perpective of the decades long dynamic between Mick and Keith. And in his summary, he makes some solid points.
Bill (Perks) Wyman once attempted to sue the journalist for the use of 'his' name. But it turned out the journalist Bill Wyman had been using his own name longer than the musician Bill Wyman had been using his adopted one.
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Anybody who thinks they aren't great friends is idiotic. They're the closest of friends who as Keith recently put it are...."thick as thieves". Just because they don't go "clubbing" together after shows at age 70 + doesn't mean that they have a strict business relationship..."Become friends again"???? Pure rubbish!!!!
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Bliss
I think Mick and Keith did have an incredible bond at the beginning, when they shared the experience of creating the best rock music and achieving extraordinary success in a very short time. Possibly John and Paul had the same bond for those reasons. It is certainly not in the realm of ordinary events. They also had their first LSD experiences together, at a time when the limitations and dangers of drug experimentation were not known. And not to forget that together they were hounded and persecuted by the law. In the article, 'Mick' acknowledges Keith's gift, and says how it brought out the best in him. 'He' questions what he would have been without Keith, and speculates that he might have been another Peter Noone (lead singer of Herman's Hermits).
But Keith lost Mick with his heroin addiction and his reckless behaviour which repeatedly jeopardised the band, Mick's source of income and creative outlet. It was a betrayal of their original pact. It was as if Keith had turned into Mick's worst enemy and biggest nightmare.
B;iss, I do feel that their friendship lasted longer. When I say lasted I think I mean as in it being a two-way street. I think at any given time, to this vefry day, Keith would drop anything in favor of Mick. It has always been up to Mick, as to how deep the bond goes. Back to '62 when Keith basically tagged along with Mick. And, like someone mentioned before Mick stayed fiercely loyal to his band, to each member, and to Keith. Up through the WW3, and then '89 one can find many quotes by Mick where he speaked very well of keith; with love and respect. And actually responds to the whole 'brothers' bit. Nowadays he will not even condescend to comment on that foolish notion. Keith is out of his orbit. I do think Keith brought that on himself.
To me, Keith was like a willfully destructive child who expected unconditional love and neverending forgiveness. I agree with the above poster that, considering all that he has done, there is little possiblity that Mick could ever truly forgive Keith. I also think that Keith, like a child, has never lost his love for Mick, and as Mick said, the scurrilous statements in 'Life' were a bid to get his attention.
At least now, in the final act of their longstanding partnership, they have managed to overcome their grievances, and are once again pulling together.
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Bliss
I think Mick and Keith did have an incredible bond at the beginning, when they shared the experience of creating the best rock music and achieving extraordinary success in a very short time. Possibly John and Paul had the same bond for those reasons. It is certainly not in the realm of ordinary events. They also had their first LSD experiences together, at a time when the limitations and dangers of drug experimentation were not known. And not to forget that together they were hounded and persecuted by the law. In the article, 'Mick' acknowledges Keith's gift, and says how it brought out the best in him. 'He' questions what he would have been without Keith, and speculates that he might have been another Peter Noone (lead singer of Herman's Hermits).
But Keith lost Mick with his heroin addiction and his reckless behaviour which repeatedly jeopardised the band, Mick's source of income and creative outlet. It was a betrayal of their original pact. It was as if Keith had turned into Mick's worst enemy and biggest nightmare.
To me, Keith was like a willfully destructive child who expected unconditional love and neverending forgiveness. I agree with the above poster that, considering all that he has done, there is little possiblity that Mick could ever truly forgive Keith. I also think that Keith, like a child, has never lost his love for Mick, and as Mick said, the scurrilous statements in 'Life' were a bid to get his attention.
At least now, in the final act of their longstanding partnership, they have managed to overcome their grievances, and are once again pulling together.
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I think Mick and Keith did have an incredible bond at the beginning, when they shared the experience of creating the best rock music and achieving extraordinary success in a very short time. Possibly John and Paul had the same bond for those reasons. It is certainly not in the realm of ordinary events. They also had their first LSD experiences together, at a time when the limitations and dangers of drug experimentation were not known. And not to forget that together they were hounded and persecuted by the law. In the article, 'Mick' acknowledges Keith's gift, and says how it brought out the best in him. 'He' questions what he would have been without Keith, and speculates that he might have been another Peter Noone (lead singer of Herman's Hermits).
But Keith lost Mick with his heroin addiction and his reckless behaviour which repeatedly jeopardised the band, Mick's source of income and creative outlet. It was a betrayal of their original pact. It was as if Keith had turned into Mick's worst enemy and biggest nightmare.
To me, Keith was like a willfully destructive child who expected unconditional love and neverending forgiveness. I agree with the above poster that, considering all that he has done, there is little possiblity that Mick could ever truly forgive Keith. I also think that Keith, like a child, has never lost his love for Mick, and as Mick said, the scurrilous statements in 'Life' were a bid to get his attention.
At least now, in the final act of their longstanding partnership, they have managed to overcome their grievances, and are once again pulling together.
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It is a marriage of convenience. And the matey gestures of affection are good for business. They convince the paying audience that they are a loveable gang of old rogues who enjoy each others company. Away from the public I suspect it's another matter entirely.
The fights are good for business, too
This is the bottom line truth. What we see is the constructed facade for a fabulously successful business. And they are as good at that as they are at producing rock and roll music. The best. And there's nothing wrong with it, it's not like their are putting anything over on anyone.Quote
DandelionPowderman
For all we know, the both of them are laughing all the way to the bank about this feud. We speculate, and we know just bits of how they're getting along.
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For all we know, the both of them are laughing all the way to the bank about this feud. We speculate, and we know just bits of how they're getting along.
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DandelionPowderman
For all we know, the both of them are laughing all the way to the bank about this feud. We speculate, and we know just bits of how they're getting along.
Actually the first line is also speculation. Most likely they are laughing all the way to the bank, because their business is doing alright, be there a feud or not.
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MrThompsonWooft
It is a marriage of convenience. And the matey gestures of affection are good for business. They convince the paying audience that they are a loveable gang of old rogues who enjoy each others company. Away from the public I suspect it's another matter entirely.
why is that?
they don't see each other much when not on tour, sure..doesn't mean the friendship changes..
Given all the comments down the years, notably but not exclusively in Keith's book, I just don't buy these displays of mateyness between Mick and Keith. They are just about maintaining the brand.
Mick confirms this every time he is asked. they are business partners and I am sure there has to be some love between them deep down, but they have not been friends, they have not spent any time together other than work, for decades.
It's funny how this seems to matter to some fans.
Well, fans who believe in fairy tales!
Fans are ... fans.
Please don't tell them Santa Claus do not exists !
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Rockman
For all we know, the both of them are laughing
......YEAH that's about it DP.......
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DandelionPowderman
For all we know, the both of them are laughing all the way to the bank about this feud. We speculate, and we know just bits of how they're getting along.
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Bliss
>> +1 on everything except sort of the last bit meaning I think Mick simply doesn't give a damn as always, and created a new show with ok versions of their songs and with Keith obviously not in the same seriously bad shape he was in the last time.
Really? Don't you think Mick is delighted that Keith is now back on board and performing well enough to generate millions of $-£-€?
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Bliss
>> +1 on everything except sort of the last bit meaning I think Mick simply doesn't give a damn as always, and created a new show with ok versions of their songs and with Keith obviously not in the same seriously bad shape he was in the last time.
Really? Don't you think Mick is delighted that Keith is now back on board and performing well enough to generate millions of $-£-€?
But thats my point, Mick just wants to have a good show, keep the train rolling without any mishaps. And then when it's over, do other stuff. He's stuck with Keith in the Rolling Stones but if possible he will do something else. Ever since Performance in 1968.
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marlau
I think that they're friends again. While the last tour, they don't seemed to hate each other and there's also this pic that I found:
If Mick hate Keith, I don't think that he would touch his shoulder...