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stonesrule
Is there anyone posting here who feels they are a better guitar player
than Eric Clapton?
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stonesrule
Is there anyone posting here who feels they are a better guitar player
than Eric Clapton?
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DandelionPowderman
The criticism agains Clapton is a little unfair, imo.
He still plays very well, at a much higher level still than our boys (including Mick Taylor), compared to their respective peaks.
I never thought of Taylor as the only british blues player that kept his chops on the three Taylor solo shows I've seen.
None of them are as good as when they were in their 20s, end of story. We should be grateful that they're all out there playing for us.
And Clapton plays like this (4:26) today:
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Redhotcarpet
Look I enjoy some of Claptons 70s songs, not that theyve aged well but that's alright. Some of his sleazy 70s songs, his guitar playing in the late 60s and mid/late 70s is good. And I understand why he was looked upon as a great guitarplayer in the 80s and 90s even if i despise the songs he recorded, the suits he wore, his hair, and that idiotic smile of his.
Sometimes he's good but in reality he is a very boring (white) guy (nothing wrong in that) with one foot in the autistic boyhood dream of noodling in front of an audience and being praised and payed to do that.
Keith was the same in many ways, a quiet shy little boy Berry who only knew and wanted one thing and that was how to play like Chuck Berry. Nothing wrong in that when you're a teen. Or maybe there is somthing wrong in that.
Enormous boyband fame, Brian, Anita, ALO, Mick, heroin and real artistic groundbreaking work and an open mind and lots of stealing changed Keith. Clapton changed too but since his fame was built on the idea of the great guitarslinger, he's stuck in that room.
He has to be a solo guitarist, that's what people pay him for. He should try something else.
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Milan
Saw him in 2010, 2 hours 10 min, great gig, but then again he had Steve Winwood with him so we got this setlist -- [www.setlist.fm]
That was a great tour...and Steve did some real impressive guitar work.
...I completely agree!
I must say: I didn't even know Steve 'W' was that much of a guitar player - he really impressed me on that tour!
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DoomandGloomI love Jeff in the Yardbirds and Jeff Beck Group but beyond that I rarely listen to him. Seen a few tours and they were great but not always my cup of tea. At the Arms show in NY Page blew the other 2 off the stage. I left having no doubt that Jimmy was the superior showman. I saw EC at the Cream reunion and watched him bend a string so slowly and perfectly it appeared he wrapped it around the neck itself. That's what The Brits meant by "Time Standing Still" and Eric invented it. Mick Taylor is just about there right now. His tone in Rome made me think of this historic Les Paul sound. Reportedly Jimmy Page was in the control room for many of these Bluesbreaker recordings keeping the engineers from "cleaning up" the guitar sound...Quote
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DoomandGloomHe's been uninspired in his twilight. He has always been the guy changing bands and updating his sound but he no longer has that momentum. Other than Cream he can't do a proper oldies show as his career is so scattered. I'd seen every tour from 461 Ocean Blvd. until the 90's. Every special tour like ARMS and Roger Waters. Last concert I saw him was with The Stones at Shea. I'm even credited on his biggest selling record, my greatest honor. He's brought me great pleasure.Quote
crholmstrom
Having seen Eric several times since the 70's, I've always found he's better with another guitar player kicking him in the butt. The tour with Derek Trucks was really good, as were the ones with Steve Winwood & Jeff Beck. At least what I've listened to. I did enjoy his brief set for the Hurricane Sandy benefit.
That's pretty cool! I don't want to give the impression I don't like Clapton. He has been transcendent at times. The first time I saw him was on the Slowhand tour when I was in high school. That show was in a small theater & magical. I do have to admit that as far as guitar gods go, I'm way more of a Jeff Beck guy. I've never left a Jeff Beck show anything less than blown away. I got to sit front row in Vegas for the Brian Wilson/Jeff Beck show last October. I have another Beck show coming up in August (with ZZ Top). Pretty excited about that. Jeff has lost nothing with age. Cheers.
Any kids out there you need to listen to this album before trying to understand Clapton.
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stonesrule
Is there anyone posting here who feels they are a better guitar player
than Eric Clapton?
I loved that tour. It was one of the highlights of my concert going life. While I imagine you were disappointed that it was not a replica of the reckless Cream I loved it's economy and huge song selection. Bruce and Eric sang great and there were many magic jamming moments.Quote
24FPS
Those Cream Reunion Concerts were the canary in the coal mine
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DoomandGloomI loved that tour. It was one of the highlights of my concert going life. While I imagine you were disappointed that it was not a replica of the reckless Cream I loved it's economy and huge song selection. Bruce and Eric sang great and there were many magic jamming moments.Quote
24FPS
Those Cream Reunion Concerts were the canary in the coal mine
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Redhotcarpet
Look I enjoy some of Claptons 70s songs, not that theyve aged well but that's alright. Some of his sleazy 70s songs, his guitar playing in the late 60s and mid/late 70s is good. And I understand why he was looked upon as a great guitarplayer in the 80s and 90s even if i despise the songs he recorded, the suits he wore, his hair, and that idiotic smile of his.
Sometimes he's good but in reality he is a very boring (white) guy (nothing wrong in that) with one foot in the autistic boyhood dream of noodling in front of an audience and being praised and payed to do that.
Keith was the same in many ways, a quiet shy little boy Berry who only knew and wanted one thing and that was how to play like Chuck Berry. Nothing wrong in that when you're a teen. Or maybe there is somthing wrong in that.
Enormous boyband fame, Brian, Anita, ALO, Mick, heroin and real artistic groundbreaking work and an open mind and lots of stealing changed Keith. Clapton changed too but since his fame was built on the idea of the great guitarslinger, he's stuck in that room.
He has to be a solo guitarist, that's what people pay him for. He should try something else.
Dulcimer perhaps? Harp?
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DoomandGloomI loved that tour. It was one of the highlights of my concert going life. While I imagine you were disappointed that it was not a replica of the reckless Cream I loved it's economy and huge song selection. Bruce and Eric sang great and there were many magic jamming moments.Quote
24FPS
Those Cream Reunion Concerts were the canary in the coal mine
I didn't want reckless, but I was shocked by how slowed down everything was. If you can't produce that spark, that magic, that made anybody give two cents about Cream to begin with, then what's the point? To say you actually saw Cream? They were obviously doing it for the money, with Eric giving a boost to his broke former mates.
I saw the Police in 2007, and that was horrendously dull. The same group I saw in 1982 was just a shell, going through the motions for the bucks. The Foo Fighters opened for them and blew the Police off stage. They want a ton of money out of our pockets for these reunion tours for a lot less quality then we got when it was cheap. I saw the Stones for $13 in 1978, with two opening acts, Kansas, and Peter Tosh. They don't even have opening acts now and they're charging 20, 30, 40 times as much as that $13 ducat for the Some Girls tour. And there was a hell of a lot more magic too.
Hasn't Eric Clapton made enough money to stay off the road? He doesn't like it, don't go on the road, because it's certainly obvious to the audience that he's lost his passion to play for people. At least the Stones seem to be getting some kind of enjoyment out of showing up and taking people's money personally.
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DoomandGloomI loved that tour. It was one of the highlights of my concert going life. While I imagine you were disappointed that it was not a replica of the reckless Cream I loved it's economy and huge song selection. Bruce and Eric sang great and there were many magic jamming moments.Quote
24FPS
Those Cream Reunion Concerts were the canary in the coal mine
I didn't want reckless, but I was shocked by how slowed down everything was. If you can't produce that spark, that magic, that made anybody give two cents about Cream to begin with, then what's the point? To say you actually saw Cream? They were obviously doing it for the money, with Eric giving a boost to his broke former mates.
I saw the Police in 2007, and that was horrendously dull. The same group I saw in 1982 was just a shell, going through the motions for the bucks. The Foo Fighters opened for them and blew the Police off stage. They want a ton of money out of our pockets for these reunion tours for a lot less quality then we got when it was cheap. I saw the Stones for $13 in 1978, with two opening acts, Kansas, and Peter Tosh. They don't even have opening acts now and they're charging 20, 30, 40 times as much as that $13 ducat for the Some Girls tour. And there was a hell of a lot more magic too.
Hasn't Eric Clapton made enough money to stay off the road? He doesn't like it, don't go on the road, because it's certainly obvious to the audience that he's lost his passion to play for people. At least the Stones seem to be getting some kind of enjoyment out of showing up and taking people's money personally.
i just watched the dvd of the cream reunion RAH stuff and i don't agree at all. yes the songs were a bit slower but the entire band was on their game. maybe its becaues i don't expect anyone in their 60's to do things the way they did in their 20's.
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DandelionPowderman
The criticism agains Clapton is a little unfair, imo.
He still plays very well, at a much higher level still than our boys (including Mick Taylor), compared to their respective peaks.
I never thought of Taylor as the only british blues player that kept his chops on the three Taylor solo shows I've seen.
None of them are as good as when they were in their 20s, end of story. We should be grateful that they're all out there playing for us.
And Clapton plays like this (4:26) today:
This video is a good example of the self-indulgent crap he plays lives. Listening to the backing band just loaf through it providing a sound platform for him to play. He could just do what those guys on city street corners do with an ipod and an amp. Play the click track and rythem then solo non stop.
Pitiful.
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DandelionPowderman
The DVD is great, imo, but I can't ignore the fact that Clapton's sound and tone isn't what it used to be.
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DandelionPowderman
The DVD is great, imo, but I can't ignore the fact that Clapton's sound and tone isn't what it used to be.
Well, Strat in not SG (or LP), but I know you are very well aware of that. Or were you rather referring to his technique? I know that a lot of people complain about the Strat sound on the Cream tunes. It is different, but I personally like both.
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DoomandGloomI loved that tour. It was one of the highlights of my concert going life. While I imagine you were disappointed that it was not a replica of the reckless Cream I loved it's economy and huge song selection. Bruce and Eric sang great and there were many magic jamming moments.Quote
24FPS
Those Cream Reunion Concerts were the canary in the coal mine
I didn't want reckless, but I was shocked by how slowed down everything was. If you can't produce that spark, that magic, that made anybody give two cents about Cream to begin with, then what's the point? To say you actually saw Cream? They were obviously doing it for the money, with Eric giving a boost to his broke former mates.
I saw the Police in 2007, and that was horrendously dull. The same group I saw in 1982 was just a shell, going through the motions for the bucks. The Foo Fighters opened for them and blew the Police off stage. They want a ton of money out of our pockets for these reunion tours for a lot less quality then we got when it was cheap. I saw the Stones for $13 in 1978, with two opening acts, Kansas, and Peter Tosh. They don't even have opening acts now and they're charging 20, 30, 40 times as much as that $13 ducat for the Some Girls tour. And there was a hell of a lot more magic too.
Hasn't Eric Clapton made enough money to stay off the road? He doesn't like it, don't go on the road, because it's certainly obvious to the audience that he's lost his passion to play for people. At least the Stones seem to be getting some kind of enjoyment out of showing up and taking people's money personally.
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DandelionPowderman
Well, I play Strat on lots of songs myself, but that suits me. I think Clapton's main problem has more to do with his amp and its settings.
The thick ES-sound back in the late 60s with Cream was fantastic.
Layla is one of my favourite albums, but it also loaded with Stratocasters