I can live with the guy hustlin' tickets on the street to make a few bucks. Very handy at times.

The secondary ticket sale sites that are given blocks of tickets or buying mass quanties from ticketmaster is wrong, in my opinion.

I used Stubhub for Brooklyn, but I won't use them/others anymore. Maybe if a boycott started, things would change.


With scalpers/touts it is just a waiting game.

I think there are two issues here. One is with the tickets that end up in the hands of the secondary sellers at marked-up prices before the public has a chance to buy them at face value. I think we all agree that's wrong.

But the other has to do with individuals buying/selling surplus or unneeded tickets. For example, I had a weekend VIP pass to a festival that I can no longer attend, and needed to sell the ticket. I didn't know anybody who wanted to buy it, or belong to any forums where I thought anybody would be interested. So I ended up having to sell it through StubHub--could have used eBay or whatever, same principle applies: there needs to be a marketplace for people to buy/sell tickets as individuals. I asked less than face value, I just wanted to be sure the thing sold, and the person who bought it was obviously a fan who needed a ticket (nobody's going to buy just one ticket to try to make a profit), so we were both happy. I wouldn't like this sort of marketplace to be regulated out of existence as a side effect of restricting real scalping.

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I can live with the guy hustlin' tickets on the street to make a few bucks. Very handy at times.

The secondary ticket sale sites that are given blocks of tickets or buying mass quanties from ticketmaster is wrong, in my opinion.

I used Stubhub for Brooklyn, but I won't use them/others anymore. Maybe if a boycott started, things would change.


With scalpers/touts it is just a waiting game.

Agree !

Also agree !

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I think there are two issues here. One is with the tickets that end up in the hands of the secondary sellers at marked-up prices before the public has a chance to buy them at face value. I think we all agree that's wrong.

But the other has to do with individuals buying/selling surplus or unneeded tickets. For example, I had a weekend VIP pass to a festival that I can no longer attend, and needed to sell the ticket. I didn't know anybody who wanted to buy it, or belong to any forums where I thought anybody would be interested. So I ended up having to sell it through StubHub--could have used eBay or whatever, same principle applies: there needs to be a marketplace for people to buy/sell tickets as individuals. I asked less than face value, I just wanted to be sure the thing sold, and the person who bought it was obviously a fan who needed a ticket (nobody's going to buy just one ticket to try to make a profit), so we were both happy. I wouldn't like this sort of marketplace to be regulated out of existence as a side effect of restricting real scalping.

Such a place DOES exist, it's called SCARLETMIST !!

[www.scarletmist.com]

And what's the first thing you read on their homepage, in great big letters ??

THE genuine non-profit fan-to-fan ticket service.

We don't need Ticket Touts or Scalpers.

We can exchange tickets with one another at their face value, and maybe we can meet with a Scarlet Mate.

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Yes, but does it even operate in the US? Which is where I live. I've bought tickets through them in the UK, but have never seen any US shows listed.

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Yes, but does it even operate in the US? Which is where I live. I've bought tickets through them in the UK, but have never seen any US shows listed.

Not aware that there's a SCARLETMIST equivalent in the U.S.

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Ah, so the issue is also different depending on the country involved, then.

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Ah, so the issue is also different depending on the country involved, then.

Guess so

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I am a Rolling Stones fan and a fan of Capitalism (much like Mick Jagger whom I admire) YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING PRICES... That my friend, is the road to SOCIALISM, TOTALITARIANISM, AND OTHER BAD ISMS.... I do not want the government telling me how much I can sell something that I own, that is, a piece of artwork or a ticket to an event. And furthermore, I don't want any government preventing me from buying anything I want at any price that I am willing to pay. Honestly, you live in the land of make-believe. And I am not trying to be mean or disrespectful, but only honest

With respect, you are missing the main point. I too, agree that the economy should be driven by market forces, though they can't be left completely unchecked. They have to be regulated. Drug Dealing is Capitalism!!!.

What PW is stressing is the immediate diversion of tickets from Primary to Secondary Seller without Joe Public getting a sniff of a chance to buy them. That isn't capitalism - it's racketeering, tantamount to fraud, if not fraud full stop. To advertise a product at a given price, dangle it in front of the Customer, create a demand and expectation, then give them ZERO opportunity to buy at that price before it re-appears at a huge mark up elsewhere, with the disappointed customer looking on.

That, Ladies & Gents is SCANDALOUS and not a small bit CRUEL.

Yup, that's about it !!

I agree. In this case, our band, The Rolling Stones are to blame as if they wanted to prevent this they could. What band could possibly yield more direct control of their ticket sales than this outfit? Absolutely nobody. One might assume that our guys have their hand in the cookie jar too! Only way to bring prices down is to reduce demand. Since the Stones are great, and not going downhill fast, they could bring prices down by finally becoming a Las Vegas act. And playing every other night for as many months as demand exists. We all know this is not going to happen. ALL I AM TRYING SO SAY IS THAT GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE ANSWER.[/quote]

[www.bbc.co.uk]

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BBC 's Watchdog show had a feature on secondary ticket market resellers like StubHub. The show focused on a case where a mother had bought tickets but the reseller didn't actually have them. The other issue was the massive hyperinflation of these tickets. I didn't realise that ticket touting is only illegal in the UK when reselling football tickets.

Paul, I'm in Oslo and will head off to the Telenor for rehearsals later. Tickets are now trading for BELOW face value even on Viagogo so no way is it sold out despite initial claims by the promoter. And this their
1st show in Europe for 7 years!

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Paul, I'm in Oslo and will head off to the Telenor for rehearsals later. Tickets are now trading for BELOW face value even on Viagogo so no way is it sold out despite initial claims by the promoter. And this their
1st show in Europe for 7 years!

Thanks for the info, I'm basically keeping an eye on the Paris tickets (the FOS section) for which prices remain absurdly and obstinately high (like 3 to 4 times the face value of some 111 Euros) - but you and I know that in this ridiculous game of brinkmanship that regrettably we are obliged to enter into these days, those prices will ultimately drop as it gets closer to "crunch day".

Have a blast in Oslo, and REPORTS PLEASE !!

Cheers

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[www.findlaw.co.uk]

Ticket touting

A ticket tout is someone who resells tickets for admission to events at more than their face value. They often work outside sporting events and concerts, either with unsold tickets that they try to resell at a profit; with no tickets in the hope that they can buy spare tickets from fans at, or below, face value to sell on at inflated prices; or with counterfeit tickets. Tickets may also be resold on online auctioning sites, like eBay. Unofficial ticket agencies or ticket touts are not authorised by performers to sell concert tickets on their behalf.

What are the problems with ticket touting?

The act of reselling tickets often means that people who genuinely want to attend a concert or event are unable to because touts, or brokers selling them on to touts for resale, have already purchased the tickets. The practice of ticket touting also raises expectations of fans who may think that they can turn up at a particular event without a ticket and be able to purchase one from a tout, thereby causing crowd control problems. People purchasing tickets from touts, either online or outside events, should also consider the possibility that the tickets being sold may be counterfeit or stolen. When buying tickets from the secondary market, there is no way of knowing whether they are genuine, or even if they exist (if bought online), unless the serial number is included.

Is it against the law to re-sell concert tickets on the secondary market?

Under UK law, it is not illegal to re-sell tickets for concerts, although a street-trading license is required by law in order to sell items on a street corner. In addition, it is sometimes possible for a concert promoter to bring civil proceedings against someone reselling a ticket, but this does not often happen in practice.

Ticket touting and football

Touts will often try to sell tickets outside football grounds at inflated prices. However, resale of football tickets is illegal under section 166 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. This Act stipulates that it is an offence for an unauthorised person to sell a ticket for a designated football match or otherwise dispose of such a ticket to another person.

However, touts began to find ways around this legislation, for example, by selling other types of merchandise at an inflated price with the inclusion of a ‘free’ match ticket. Consequently, this Act has been amended by section 53 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006. This imposes the following restrictions in relation to the resale of football tickets:

•newspapers cannot carry advertising for ticket touts;

•touts are prevented from claiming that a match ticket comes ‘free’ with another product;

•section 166 will apply to people offering tickets with a wider/hospitality package and people who provide tickets to touts.

If someone is convicted of ticket touting at football matches under UK law, they may be liable to a fine of up to £5,000 and have a football banning order imposed upon them.

Preventative measures

When you buy tickets for events, such as concerts and football matches, you should consider buying them through the box office or primary authorised ticket-agencies. In addition, it is important to ensure that you have accurate information about the face value of the tickets, and that you exercise caution if you are contemplating buying tickets through internet auctions or street touts.

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Several reporters comment that the band should be doing more about this

Prince Rupert in "Prince among stones" writes quite a bit on his efforts on behalf of the band to get rid of scalping. He emphasises the unpleasant nature of the people involved in global music business scalping in the 80s .

He was told " there's nothing you can do ... Do you want the stones children to be kidnapped ? "

Berlin show - situation on 26 May

255 pit tickets available, cheapest is €327 - no movement in an entire week. The face value of this ticket is €224.50

Paris show - situation on 26 May

112 pit tickets available, cheapest is €440 - no movement (as in sales) also during the week. The face value of this ticket is €111.50.

FOUR times face value for a 75,000 capacity stadium. F**k off dreamers !

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Berlin show - situation on 26 May

255 pit tickets available, cheapest is €327 - no movement in an entire week. The face value of this ticket is €224.50

Paris show - situation on 26 May

112 pit tickets available, cheapest is €440 - no movement (as in sales) also during the week. The face value of this ticket is €111.50.

FOUR times face value for a 75,000 capacity stadium. F**k off dreamers !

Down down down ........................

Update from later on 26 May

Berlin pit - 254 available, cheapest €270

Paris pit - 114 available, cheapest €399

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Paris VIP tickets aren't really a pit if you go by the seating charts we've seen. Unlike other venues, it stretches across the full length of the field at the back, so there will be a lot of people in there. I would not pay those prices. If they don't come down, buy a seat in the stands and buy a pit ticket for another show.

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Paris VIP tickets aren't really a pit if you go by the seating charts we've seen. Unlike other venues, it stretches across the full length of the field at the back, so there will be a lot of people in there. I would not pay those prices. If they don't come down, buy a seat in the stands and buy a pit ticket for another show.

Completely agree, it's a vast stadium and the VIP area (although it's at the front of the stage) actually spans the full width of the pitch. Depending upon how deep it is too, it'll potentially hold quite a lot of people. So as you say, not really a "pit" in the sense of what we've kind of become accustomed to.

What I still really do not understand is what has fuelled the quite extraordinary demand for this show, or at least it appears to be quite extraordinary to me. I mean at the same time as a genuine "pit" ticket for the smallest capacity venue of the European tour (Berlin) can be bought for very little over face value, these VIP Pelouse ticket prices for Paris remain absurdly and obstinately high on the secondary market, like approaching four times face value !! And this is in a venue three times or more larger than Berlin ? I don't get it.

Why this should be I just cannot figure out, it's bizarre. But mind you, the tickets that are available do not appear to be selling, the same number of them have been sitting there for weeks and weeks now.

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I think it's a combination of a couple of factors. I don't think it's the French - the Stones fan base there has never been quite so rabid. As I recall, both 06 and 07 were far from sold out. But, this time, there are far fewer shows in Europe, and with no UK shows, I suspect there will be many fans making the trip across the Channel. Also, this is the only non-Festival Fri/Sat show of the tour, which makes it attractive.

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I think it's a combination of a couple of factors. I don't think it's the French - the Stones fan base there has never been quite so rabid. As I recall, both 06 and 07 were far from sold out. But, this time, there are far fewer shows in Europe, and with no UK shows, I suspect there will be many fans making the trip across the Channel. Also, this is the only non-Festival Fri/Sat show of the tour, which makes it attractive.

You might be right, I really don't know. Anyway, it's just plain weird, especially as a comparison, an 18,000 seat amphitheatre with a correspondingly infinitely smaller pit currently exhibits greater ticket availability and lower prices on the hateful secondary market.

Guess there isn't much to do but wait it out and see what it looks like closer to the day.

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I understand from the rumor mill that it is a conspiracy designed by viagogo and seatwave management with minimal input from getmein to piss you off Paul Right now the CEO's are in a Parisian luxury suite smoking big hand-rolled Havana cigars with tumblers of single malt Scotch Whisky reading IORR expectantly awaiting your next post

LOL I am of course jealous of you doing these shows and me not being there. Also hoping I get into the upcoming downunder tour knowing that these will be the first in nearly a decade without either you or Sara at my elbow. Have fun !!!!

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I understand from the rumor mill that it is a conspiracy designed by viagogo and seatwave management with minimal input from getmein to piss you off Paul Right now the CEO's are in a Parisian luxury suite smoking big hand-rolled Havana cigars with tumblers of single malt Scotch Whisky reading IORR expectantly awaiting your next post

LOL I am of course jealous of you doing these shows and me not being there. Also hoping I get into the upcoming downunder tour knowing that these will be the first in nearly a decade without either you or Sara at my elbow. Have fun !!!!

Well I hope they're making the best of it, because the last laugh of all in all this will ultimately be had by me, and it will be at their expense.

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Here we go: See Re: WORLD TICKET SHOP - ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM?

Think I have been ripped off by WORLD TICKET SHOP re:my ticket for Paris. I paid for a 'VIP Pelouse' (Tongue Pit) ticket, top price and they have sent me 'VIP Pelouse Debout', which is not what I ordered. After numerous emails and phone calls they say I have got what I paid for. Have reported it to my Credit Card people who are taking the matter up - ticket looks like a cheap 'FAKE' as it doesn't look like my friends' tickets, there is no wallet and it has no map of The Stade de France or info re: wristbands etc, as with the GOOD ticket I bought from Shelley. And strangely enough the company I bought it from haven't asked for it back and I'm keeping it as proof for my Credit Card people. Does anybody else have a Stade de Frence. The ticket is mainly red, with 'VIP PELOUSE DEBOUT' on it.Anyone else have a ticket like that. If I knew how to post a photo I would. HELP!!!

VIP Pelouse = VIP Pelouse debout

Pelouse = field

Debout = standing seat

In SDF, all the seats on the field are standing seats, and "VIP Pelouse debout" is what you call "tongue pit" (in fact, in a stadium, there's no tongue pit but a catwalk).

Regardless of whether it's a fake or not - I can't judge that, for I haven't seen any tix for the 14 on Fire (maybe you can scan it, and post the image here?!):
I don't understand why you say "...which is not what I ordered".
You bought a 'VIP pelouse', and you got a 'VIP pelouse'... right?
('debout' just means 'standing', doesn't it? Pardon my French, for I am not French. And schooldays are long gone... )

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VIP Pelouse = VIP Pelouse debout

Pelouse = field

Debout = standing seat

In SDF, all the seats on the field are standing seats, and "VIP Pelouse debout" is what you call "tongue pit" (in fact, in a stadium, there's no tongue pit but a catwalk).

Wrong. The pitch (pelouse) is divided up into three sections, the VIP bit is the section nearest the stage, then there's the pelouse or behind it, and in turn behind that, the section called pelouse debout.

Call it what you like (pit or not the pit) - but the pelouse VIP section in the context of this particular gig is the enclosed standing area located bang in front of the stage, with the other two sections behind it.

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VIP Pelouse = VIP Pelouse debout

Pelouse = field

Debout = standing seat

In SDF, all the seats on the field are standing seats, and "VIP Pelouse debout" is what you call "tongue pit" (in fact, in a stadium, there's no tongue pit but a catwalk).

Wrong. The pitch (pelouse) is divided up into three sections, the VIP bit is the section nearest the stage, then there's the pelouse or behind it, and in turn behind that, the section called pelouse debout.

Call it what you like (pit or not the pit) - but the pelouse VIP section in the context of this particular gig is the enclosed standing area located bang in front of the stage, with the other two sections behind it.

I'm sorry to note have been clear enough.

I know that there's tree different areas on the pitch, but Thebishopdaughter talked about a "tongue pit" and I just wanted to tell him that there won't be a catwalk enclosing the front of stage section.

[www.ticketreview.net] Welcome to the secondary market. They send what they have when they want to. Check out the thread about the scalpers. I'll keep the rest of my comments to myself. Good luck. I added: Re: The definitive anti-scalper thread - let them choke on it !!



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So er, it is now 31st May and there's 117 pelouse VIP (FOS) tickets available, more than there's been for weeks and weeks ? Whereas this is what it looked like at the beginning of the week ? The cheapest is now €380, still a completely ludicrous markup for a stadium of this size and a "pit" that will hold 2000 or more people !!

Paris show - situation on 26 May

112 pit tickets available, cheapest is €440 - no movement (as in sales) also during the week. The face value of this ticket is €111.50.

Keep dreaming scalpers, cos' you ain't sellin' anything at 3.5 times face value, that's for sure !! A**holes !!

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