One has to wonder how many of you here were also complaining about the off shore music pirating sites, if you were illegally downloading music and costing people their jobs?

I might also add that many times 3rd party tickets have been traced back to management.

Scalping can never be eradicated as long as we have live shows.

I think their needs to be a nationwide referendum in the UK on this...whether or not to continue having live SHOWS!

#SHEXIT

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I think their needs to be a nationwide referendum in the UK on this...whether or not to continue having live SHOWS!

#SHEXIT

I do hope you are joking.

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I think their needs to be a nationwide referendum in the UK on this...whether or not to continue having live SHOWS!

#SHEXIT

I do hope you are joking.

And I think someone needs to review their sense of humour ... if that's what you can call it ?!

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Scalping can never be eradicated as long as we have live shows.

I think their needs to be a nationwide referendum in the UK on this...whether or not to continue having live SHOWS!

#SHEXIT

...or ticket selling, obviously.
Free Shows For Everyone!!
#MARKETEXIT

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Fascinating piece here

[www.musictank.co.uk]

I like the sound of the Fanfair Alliance #ToutsOut

Very interesting and it's high time something is done about this.
I have never purchased a ticket from any of these secondary ticket sites but I would pay good money for 5 minutes with these mutherfxckxxs.

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You wouldn't do shit, tough guy.

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One has to wonder how many of you here were also complaining about the off shore music pirating sites, if you were illegally downloading music and costing people their jobs?

I might also add that many times 3rd party tickets have been traced back to management.

Exactly. The bands are neck deep in this.

In the U.S. at least, unless you want some massive bureaucracy to oversee every concert ticket, it's not really feasible to do much at all beyond what the artists, venues and promoters themselves want to do.

I go to concerts almost every night (no, really) and know ticketing inside out. The bands scalp their own tickets, use scalpers as insurance that tens of thousands of tickets will be sold regardless, etc.

Prophets Of Rage tour. Good show, but not 100% sellout by any means. As a matter of fact, about 1,000 tix per show on the secondary market went unused. These are tickets that never would have sold to anyone else, period. You think the band wants legislation to take a few million out of their pockets?

That's just one example out of hundreds.

Of course it's very consumer unfriendly to mention that this has run the prices up on the primary market but if you are in a band and suddenly getting offers to play for twice as much as money as you did a few years ago, I am sure you're not going to take action to roll back the clock.

But then the real reason I love the secondary market is that the smart consumers use it to their own advantage and go for whatever price they want to pay. Now that some people panic and pay double for their REO Speedwagon ticket 6 months in advance is not something I spend much time worrying out, especially when laying down $8 for my Kraftwerk ticket.

The only true weapon against the secondary market is consumer discipline.

Not that it helps much that I have friends who work as lawyers or executives and can't be in front of their computer when tickets go on sale and would rather just lay down the big bucks for whatever seat they want when it's most convenient for them. There will always be people who make it their business to cater to these discriminating consumers.

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I think their needs to be a nationwide referendum in the UK on this...whether or not to continue having live SHOWS!

#SHEXIT

I do hope you are joking.

oh you 'do hope' do you?

BBC News reports that Robbie Williams management sold tickets directly to secondary ticket sites to make more money. Disgusting.

Here's the BBC story.


Robbie Williams's management team is placing tickets directly on to resale ticketing websites at higher prices, the Victoria Derbyshire show has found.
Ie:music put tickets for Williams's 2017 tour on Get Me In and Seatwave - in one case for £65 more, before fees, than a similar ticket on Ticketmaster.
The company has previously called on the government to take stronger action against resale sites.

Ie:music has not responded to repeated requests for a statement.
Ticketmaster, which owns Get Me In and Seatwave, said the tickets - which it describes as "platinum" tickets - on the sites were "priced according to demand, in consultation with our clients, the event organisers".

Tickets on Ticketmaster for seats on level one, row 126 - for Robbie Williams's gig at the Etihad Stadium, Manchester, on Friday 2 June 2017 - were found by the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme to be priced at £95, before fees.
But on Get Me In, for "platinum" seats on level one, row 125, at the same gig, seats were priced at £160 before fees - £65 more expensive.

Because the tickets came straight from the artist's management team, all the profit goes directly to them.

Similar tickets on Get Me In were priced at £160, before fees
A statement from Ticketmaster said: "Platinum tickets are a very small percentage of the best seats in the house that are priced according to demand, in consultation with our clients, the event organisers.

"The UK live events industry has been successfully using platinum for many years so that the full value of these tickets goes back to the rights holders and not to resellers."


In November 2015, Williams's management, ie:music, signed a petition saying: "We as artist, managers and agents deplore the increasing industrial-scale abuse and insider exploitation of tickets for music, arts and sports events by ticket touts, and their online associates and facilitators."

They wanted the government to take stronger action against resale sites.
Promoter Harvey Goldsmith said the position Williams's team were taking made him "angry".

"I think it is wrong, but hopefully most of the people who have signed the [2015] petition are acting honourably and are doing everything that they can do to prevent tickets being sold on the secondary market," he said.
Conservative MP Andrew Bingham, part of the Department for Culture, Media and Sport, said that "somehow, [touts] have worked a way round of abusing this [resale] system".

He said it appeared that some artists' management teams were "now also complicit in it as well".

In December, the Competition and Marketing Authority announced it was to investigate the resale ticketing market, to ensure sales were complying with consumer rights laws.

A representative of Capital FM's Jingle Bell Ball and Summertime Ball confirmed they had placed tickets for both those events directly on to resale website StubHub, but added they had not increased the prices.


The Victoria Derbyshire programme also found resale websites StubHub, Get Me In and Seatwave were providing specialist software - which could be used by touts - to enable users to sell large volumes of tickets through their platforms.
To sign up for StubHub's software, StubHub Pro, users have to show they have sold more than $50,000 (£40,000) worth of tickets in a year.
The software allows users to sell tickets in different currencies, as well as in volume.

StubHub provides specialist software for those selling large volumes of tickets
StubHub has not responded to requests for a statement. Ticketmaster said its software, Ticket Utils, was not available in the UK.

Both have previously spoken out against computer programs known as "bots", which have long been cited as a major problem in helping touts buy large volumes of tickets ahead of the general sale to fans.


In Italy, the country's lawmakers have moved to ban secondary ticketing, after a media investigation found evidence that Live Nation Italy was selling thousands of tickets directly on Viagogo at higher prices.

In a previous statement to Billboard Magazine, Live Nation Italy said the allegations related to a "small number of tickets, for a handful of international artists".

Neither Viagogo or Live Nation UK have responded to repeated requests for a statement.

Andy Inglis, an artist manager from 5000 management, called the practice "morally bankrupt".

"I just think artists should answer to their fans more," he said.
"There should be more accountability.
"But I guess when the artists get bigger, they are more removed from their fans.
"So I think you can more easily set aside your ethics and charge what you want."

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Here we go again ....... yet another expose of duplicity & complicity etc. What a load of bollocks it all is ............

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It's a bit like longing for the old days of general admitance to shows.

Used to be kind of the same with tickets .

If you wanted tickets...you stood in line outside the local official outlet and you could buy up to four.

Had lots of fun camping on the pavememt all night outside Virgin records in Sheffield for Knebworth tickets.

At the age of 58, I'd happily do it again.

Kind of sorts out the folks who really want one...just like GA sorted out the folks who deserved to be FOS

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Here we go again ....... yet another expose of duplicity & complicity etc. What a load of bollocks it all is ............

Unless the law is changed to outlaw this practice, it will continue.

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Here we go again ....... yet another expose of duplicity & complicity etc. What a load of bollocks it all is ............

Unless the law is changed to outlaw this practice, it will continue.

Completely agree, but in this country (UK) the government will have to be dragged kicking and screaming all the way up to the point when they can no longer excuse not legislating, and will simply have to !

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Here we go again ....... yet another expose of duplicity & complicity etc. What a load of bollocks it all is ............

Unless the law is changed to outlaw this practice, it will continue.

Completely agree, but in this country (UK) the government will have to be dragged kicking and screaming all the way up to the point when they can no longer excuse not legislating, and will simply have to !

Agreed. And sickeningly, as in the Robbie Williams case here, the artists themselves are often benefiting financially, making the whole thing a racket. It's a total joke that Ticketmaster own both Get Me In and Seatwave. A more bare-faced conflict of interest you will never see!

[fanfairalliance.org]

Worth a read. Mostly bollocks ... but still worth a read !

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Robbie Williams is tip of the iceberg.

I'd imagine there are many acts who are duplicitous in this manner.

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Robbie Williams is tip of the iceberg.

I'd imagine there are many acts who are duplicitous in this manner.

Not all of them. Only about 99% of them.

But what the hell, if people will pay it, then the money absolutely belongs to the artist and he can charge whatever the hell he wants.

Now here's an idea.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

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Now here's an idea.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Like all inherently good ideas .... simple but EFFECTIVE !!

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[www.dailymail.co.uk]

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From the article .........

<<< Kate Collins, director of fundraising and marketing at the Teenage Cancer Trust, said: ‘Unless the Government introduces legislation to regulate the secondary ticketing market, there is nothing we can do to prevent the reselling of our tickets for profit' >>>

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo government ... get off your f***ing ass and LEGISLATE !!

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[www.dailymail.co.uk]

Depressing but not surprising.
To be fair to little lord doublebollox it must be an easy mistake to make instructing someone to list the tickets on Viagogo for multiple times their face value when what he really meant to say was give them to charity.

Nate



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[www.dailymail.co.uk]

Depressing but not surprising.
To be fair to little lord doublebollox it must be an easy mistake to make instructing someone to list the tickets on Viagogo for multiple times their face value when what he really meant to say was give them to charity.

Nate

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From the article .........

<<< Kate Collins, director of fundraising and marketing at the Teenage Cancer Trust, said: ‘Unless the Government introduces legislation to regulate the secondary ticketing market, there is nothing we can do to prevent the reselling of our tickets for profit' >>>

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo government ... get off your f***ing ass and LEGISLATE !!

How about a new government bureaucracy to oversee and administer ticket sales? The operating costs can be added to the fees.

And why is U2 (and 99% of shows) going on sale on a weekday? I remember once upon a time Saturday was the day. Are the anticipated patrons not people who work?

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From the article .........

<<< Kate Collins, director of fundraising and marketing at the Teenage Cancer Trust, said: ‘Unless the Government introduces legislation to regulate the secondary ticketing market, there is nothing we can do to prevent the reselling of our tickets for profit' >>>

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo government ... get off your f***ing ass and LEGISLATE !!

How about a new government bureaucracy to oversee and administer ticket sales? The operating costs can be added to the fees.

And why is U2 (and 99% of shows) going on sale on a weekday? I remember once upon a time Saturday was the day. Are the anticipated patrons not people who work?

You WORK ? Really ? O nooooooooo, you poor soul you. You really mean to say that you're not one of the idle wealthy fraternity/sorority, like pretty much 99% of people on this message board. O well now I understand. It must be dreadfully inconvenient for you to eke out your living during the week and at the same be inconvenienced by having to buy tickets for the occasional gig. That changes everything, we'll see if we can re-structure the entire live entertainment industry to suit your unfortunate circumstances !

On the occasional Saturday then, when you're free from the encumbrances of work, perhaps you'd like checkout a particular word in the English dictionary of your choice ? BAN ! To the best of my knowledge, 'a government bureaucracy to oversee and administer' isn't a synonym for the word 'BAN' ... but then maybe you & I refer to different dictionaries in moments of need ?

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From the article .........

<<< Kate Collins, director of fundraising and marketing at the Teenage Cancer Trust, said: ‘Unless the Government introduces legislation to regulate the secondary ticketing market, there is nothing we can do to prevent the reselling of our tickets for profit' >>>

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo government ... get off your f***ing ass and LEGISLATE !!

How about a new government bureaucracy to oversee and administer ticket sales? The operating costs can be added to the fees.

And why is U2 (and 99% of shows) going on sale on a weekday? I remember once upon a time Saturday was the day. Are the anticipated patrons not people who work?

You WORK ? Really ? O nooooooooo, you poor soul you. You really mean to say that you're not one of the idle wealthy fraternity/sorority, like pretty much 99% of people on this message board. O well now I understand. It must be dreadfully inconvenient for you to eke out your living during the week and at the same be inconvenienced by having to buy tickets for the occasional gig. That changes everything, we'll see if we can re-structure the entire live entertainment industry to suit your unfortunate circumstances !

On the occasional Saturday then, when you're free from the encumbrances of work, perhaps you'd like checkout a particular word in the English dictionary of your choice ? BAN ! To the best of my knowledge, 'a government bureaucracy to oversee and administer' isn't a synonym for the word 'BAN' ... but then maybe you & I refer to different dictionaries in moments of need ?

Occasional gig.

Ban means nothing without oversight and enforcement. Such as figuring out what tickets are being sold by "scalpers" and the primary sources (bands, artists etc) themselves using a point of sale service to broadcast across multiple sites or just fans wanting to get rid of their extras for whatever they can get. Let the government oversee it all, should work better than buyer discipline. Should make any nanny staters happy.

Not that I care how you do it in England, if this is really what you want your Government to do. It's not England has any societal problems like we have here Here in America, I am happy they mostly stay out of it. In many cases, I prefer to use the secondary market for my own concert tickets.

And personally, yep, I can usually hop online at 10am on a weekday to get tickets but almost no one else I know can.

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Here we go again ....... yet another expose of duplicity & complicity etc. What a load of bollocks it all is ............

Unless the law is changed to outlaw this practice, it will continue.

INDEED! We can all remember the days when drugs and prostitution ran rampant before they were finally criminalized.

UK: Ticket resale sites could face legal curbs as part of push to beat touts

Ticket Resale Sites Could Face Legal Curbs

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Here we go again ....... yet another expose of duplicity & complicity etc. What a load of bollocks it all is ............

Unless the law is changed to outlaw this practice, it will continue.

INDEED! We can all remember the days when drugs and prostitution ran rampant before they were finally criminalized.

Why is that wrong? because all of the do gooders who want you to walk this way and talk this way and try to control your every thought and action .Scr#4 them , they should worry about there own dirty selves and stop telling everyone else what to do .I for one do not need a babysitter / minder .