oh for gods sake....give me the names of ten rock bands who had number one records in the last decade.

now give me the names of ten rock bands who had number one records in the 60s -

now the 70s-

there are jazz players who sell records and play to pretty good size crowds all over the world too,but the music isnt what it was in the 1940's

maybe i dont have a problem with it because i listened to blues for so many years.there were bluesfests all over,great bands playing but as a popular form of music kids were'nt saying "hey,you get the new john lee hooker record?,its great"

face it,we're there.and mick and keith cant write good songs anymore.

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Lem, you're crazy! Are you telling us that Bobby Vee won't have another hit?

hold on,i take it back.stonesrule is onto something here.i hadnt factored bobby vee into the mix.

yeah... ummmmm.... I am still waiting for all of the experts....
WHO KNEW and ranted and raved and promised and logiced and explained
to us how and why THEY KNEW that The Stones would never do another live show...
to fess up and admit they were wrong...

So I dont put much weight into arguments that there will never be another Stones album.


Maybe they will make a new album and maybe they wont...
but to take a stand and hope that THEY WONT makes no sense. What is the objective?

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It's gone as a popular form of music? Am I hallucinating all these bands and my fellow audience members? Bands play all over the world every day--not nostalgia bands--so how can it be gone?

It isn't gone, it's just gone underground--for a while. The poster isn't taking into account the corporate ClearChannel factor, the megacorp that buys up all the independent radio stations to make popular entertainment safe and watered down. We're in the endless era of cutesy country/pop and all these submental "talent" shows on television.

Meanwhile, college radio and club gigging line-ups are still bursting to the seams with guitar-based rock bands who worship at the altar of The Stones et al. and rock down through the decades. It's just that it's no longer a culture of "sex, drugs and rock n roll" across the board--it doesn't mean there isn't a demand for such things.

Once a music form emerges, it's here to stay, regardless of whether or not the form is dominant in the culture. Most people take for granted the timeless staying power of Mozart, but until the 1920s, when the neo-Classical movement emerged, there were actually several generations where Mozart's music was not played all that much, compared to now. In the last quarter of the 1700s, Classical music was at its peak, until that upstart Beethoven helped usher in the Romantic era in the first years of the 1800s, making Mozart and Handel et al. old hat overnight--and it was that way until the 1920s.

Like the line in Sgt. Pepper goes, "....we've been going in and out of style...." But once it's here, it's here to stay. There will always be jazz, there will always be blues, there will always be rock n roll, and what is fashionable now will always be replaced by some other fad down the line. There is never a last word in history, and never a day when the music dies. Music is stronger than time, the notes ring out longer than mere lives....

This may be so; You have fans that loved the 60's Stones, fans that loved the 70's Stones, fans that loved the 80's & 90's Stones and then some who loved them over the past 13 years and of coarse fans who have love their music for the past 50 years. But I think “MOST" fans will agree that when the Stones do a blues track or an old blues cover that they do as well as any band around today. For their last L.P. /CD I would like to see them go back to the roots and do old Wolf/Dixon/Reed/Walters/Waters, etc..covers we haven't heard before and maybe a couple of new original blues songs. I would like to see Taylor & Wyman in the studio with them. Other special guest "Optional". The Stones don't really need the money from the publishing, and it would be nice for the estates of some of these old blues guys to get some money and in a way the Stones saying thanks for helping us get started we never forgot you.
I would like the session to be very raw and simple and not have an over done production. I believe this type of L.P./ CD would be well received by all the fans from what ever decade the liked the best. Yes, there will be fans that want just a new L.P. /CD of new originals, but this was just thought.

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oh for gods sake....give me the names of ten rock bands who had number one records in the last decade.

I think this is the heart of the disconnect I'm feeling here. Surely "the charts"--any kind of charts--are outmoded ways of deciding whether certain kinds of music are alive and well? Most people have no clue what's on the charts. Thousands of them go to see bands they love but whose music they haven't bought in any conventional ways--people share downloads, etc., the whole paradigm has shifted. In the 60s there were way fewer bands who only got heard if they got a contract with a major recording company. Now there are zillions of bands who share their music via the internet, etc., and sidestep the corporate route altogether. It's a different world, but rock is still very much alive.

As, I was surprised to see, is Bobby Vee. "Rubber Ball" was one of the first singles I bought.

Aquamarine, my soul sister, did you know that Bobby Vee was...is...one of Bob Dylan's faves? Two mid-western boys and all that.

Not another Stones album? Why not? The next one could be a masterpiece. I still hold out hope. They are talented, afterall.

I think they should focus on country music. As they age, their country gets better and better.

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Aquamarine, my soul sister, did you know that Bobby Vee was...is...one of Bob Dylan's faves? Two mid-western boys and all that.

I actually did, now that you mention it--I read that so long ago I'd forgotten!

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The record buying public as a whole are not really interested, the band themselves don't seem to be interested. Whilst I don't think A Bigger Bang is as bad as some people on here make it out to be I don't think they have the energy or the motivation to do anything better that will do them justice. Who would they be doing a new album for? A small collection of obsessives who once they had the thrill of unwrapping the album would then tear it to pieces after the first listen and proclaim it to b a dud.

If they have any inspiration then they should just let tracks out as they come via itunes but the days of them being able or willing to produce a cohesive album that can stand next to their body of work are gone.

The world doesn't need another Cliff Richards album, massive typo!

"I've got nasty habits I take tea at three"

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When was the last time any rock artist released an album that a huge audience cared about?

If that was an accurate yardstick, does that mean should all rock 'artists' just cease making new records? So the genre then just becomes swamped with nostalgia acts and then dies a natural death when those acts are consigned to history?

To be honest I think that's the sort of thinking Mick Jagger has. If an LP that rounded up all the living Stones, with a different producer, with a combination of old blues and new songs that had some depth, could be made and would make money, Mick would be on board. But he calls all the Stones shots nowadays. The others can't be bothered to fight him. There's no one standing up for what the hard core fans want.

It's not negative to be dog tired of the nostalgia act. I heard some nice things on stage during the ABB tour. All I'm hearing now is an act trying desperately to be the Rolling Stones and get through these lucrative oldies shows. The Rolling Stones are a great blues band. Keith doesn't need to impress me with the nimble finger work he could do in 1965. But for god's sake I'd like to hear something with meaning. Has nothing happened in his life in the last ten years worth writing a song about? One More Shot? Are you kidding me?

These are wizened old blues masters. They're acting like a lounge act now. Jesus, don't they have enough money saved up that they don't have to go around trying to suck up one last fat boatload of paydays? They allegedly got into this for the music. At least Brian and Keith did. And Bill certainly didn't expect it to be the Golden Ticket. No wonder there's a hunger for the archival works. When we look back at least we we're in a time when they were looking forward. Solomon Burke put that cape on Jagger's shoulders for a reason. And I don't think it was so he could prance around and deliver 'Get Off of My Cloud' with all the conviction of a cereal jingle.

more Doom and Gloom...less Streets of Love and I'm good for a new record.

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When was the last time any rock artist released an album that a huge audience cared about?

If that was an accurate yardstick, does that mean should all rock 'artists' just cease making new records? So the genre then just becomes swamped with nostalgia acts and then dies a natural death when those acts are consigned to history?

To be honest I think that's the sort of thinking Mick Jagger has. If an LP that rounded up all the living Stones, with a different producer, with a combination of old blues and new songs that had some depth, could be made and would make money, Mick would be on board. But he calls all the Stones shots nowadays. The others can't be bothered to fight him. There's no one standing up for what the hard core fans want.

It's not negative to be dog tired of the nostalgia act. I heard some nice things on stage during the ABB tour. All I'm hearing now is an act trying desperately to be the Rolling Stones and get through these lucrative oldies shows. The Rolling Stones are a great blues band. Keith doesn't need to impress me with the nimble finger work he could do in 1965. But for god's sake I'd like to hear something with meaning. Has nothing happened in his life in the last ten years worth writing a song about? One More Shot? Are you kidding me?

These are wizened old blues masters. They're acting like a lounge act now. Jesus, don't they have enough money saved up that they don't have to go around trying to suck up one last fat boatload of paydays? They allegedly got into this for the music. At least Brian and Keith did. And Bill certainly didn't expect it to be the Golden Ticket. No wonder there's a hunger for the archival works. When we look back at least we we're in a time when they were looking forward. Solomon Burke put that cape on Jagger's shoulders for a reason. And I don't think it was so he could prance around and deliver 'Get Off of My Cloud' with all the conviction of a cereal jingle.

thats quite a post, fella...

24FPS, while I agree with quite a bit of your very interesting and well thought out post, I wonder how many of their concerts you attended in 2012-13 and how you felt about the Stones at the time. Were the gigs worth what you paid to be there?

And doesn't reality tell us that Keith is not what he used to be musically on stage?

To me, one of the great ironies is that Mick was a great friend to Keith personally, musically, in songwriting and in making a lot of money...I wonder if Keith has ever admitted this to himself or to the band?

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24FPS, while I agree with quite a bit of your very interesting and well thought out post, I wonder how many of their concerts you attended in 2012-13 and how you felt about the Stones at the time. Were the gigs worth what you paid to be there?

And doesn't reality tell us that Keith is not what he used to be musically on stage?

I attended the 1st concert in L.A., with a super crappy $85 ticket. I did move around though. The first few songs, the oldies section (in a night of oldies), were really lame. There was little power to the songs. I barely remember the guests, Gwen Stefani, but Keith Urban wasn't bad on guitar. Except for Emotional Rescue, the concert seemed on autopilot. Then there was a brief reminder that those were the goddamn Rolling Stones on stage when Mick Taylor guested on Midnight Rambler. The encore was nice with the live choir, and Jumping Jack Flash was the only dangerous note the whole evening. I would describe the concert as mild.

Of course Keith isn't what he used to be. That's what makes that promo for the Hyde Park Blue Ray so infuriating. What? We don't have ears? All you have to is pull up some No Security clips on You Tube to realize how far away we are from glory. But that doesn't mean Keith can't still create. And I'd love to hear him play some acoustic.

To your original question, I've paid anywhere from $13 to a max $225 for Stones tickets through the years 1978-2013. I saw much better concerts than the Rolling Stones this summer, including Pink Martini and a double bill of Lyle Lovett and headliner Willie Nelson. I had much better seats and the tickets were half of what I paid to sort of see the Stones. I have always gone to see the Stones. I was reluctant this last time and I was right. It's better to remember them as they were than keep trying to recreate a vibe that is long gone.

To those that are satisfied with the Oldies Years, I'm very happy that it gives you joy. For me the warhorses have lost their tread. I downloaded a few songs from Hyde Park, hoping that being on the road for a while would have knocked off the rust. And although they deliver the same songs over and over in a competent way, there's nothing there. I'll bet you could take a sample Tumbling Dice from the Voodoo Lounge Tour, BTB, Licks, ABB, and 50 and Counting Tours, mix them up and you couldn't tell the difference. Well, Charlie's snare would have a lot more snap in the earlier ones.



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24 (if I may call you just that) you say "It's better to remember them as they were ..." And for me personally, I agree.

I couldn't bring myself to go to the Staples Center because I'm having back miseries of a major kind...I would have had no problem getting a free ticket. But I had a little talk with myself and said, "Stonesrule, you've seen numerous great shows from the Stones and you remember them vividly. They're still your favorite band. There will still be opportunities to see them in late 2013 or 2014...but the fact is there are more important priorities in your actual life."

I'm always happy to hear about the concerts...continue to frequently play my favorite Stones records...but the unfortunate fact is that most music today isn't half as good as it was in the Sixties and Seventies. It isn't about age...it's about marketing, social media and endless video clips. I ain't knocking anyone younger who lives for all that. Just feel a little sad for them.

This is my confession, baby.

Stonesrule: There's no formality here. Just call me FPS.

If the stones could pull it together and have a real recording session, especially when they are on tour , put some real effort into it as a group. They could put out one of their best works. They still have one great album left in them. I hope they figure it out before its too late

has anybody asked them..?

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has anybody asked them..?

I was going to but I misplaced Mick's cell number.

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duke richardson
has anybody asked them..?

I was going to but I misplaced Mick's cell number.

well he wouldn't give you a straight answer anyway

..you know how he is..

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has anybody asked them..?

I was going to but I misplaced Mick's cell number.

well he wouldn't give you a straight answer anyway

..you know how he is..

I know, right!?

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oh for gods sake....give me the names of ten rock bands who had number one records in the last decade.

I think this is the heart of the disconnect I'm feeling here. Surely "the charts"--any kind of charts--are outmoded ways of deciding whether certain kinds of music are alive and well? Most people have no clue what's on the charts. Thousands of them go to see bands they love but whose music they haven't bought in any conventional ways--people share downloads, etc., the whole paradigm has shifted. In the 60s there were way fewer bands who only got heard if they got a contract with a major recording company. Now there are zillions of bands who share their music via the internet, etc., and sidestep the corporate route altogether. It's a different world, but rock is still very much alive.

As, I was surprised to see, is Bobby Vee. "Rubber Ball" was one of the first singles I bought.

i see your point so lets forget about "the charts" - rock and roll began in about 1955 and died a sudden death about 1995.

from 55 on we had elvis,buddy holly, chuck berry,jerry lee,little richard,the rolling stones ,the yardbirds,the beatles,the who,jimi hendrix,pink floyd,led zeppelin,queen,the j geils band,csn&y,ac/dc,U2,jefferson airplane,grateful dead,mott the hoople,ten years after,aerosmith,iggy and the stooges,cream,david bowie,the velvet underground,black sabbath,deep purple,guns and roses,soungarden,nirvana and about 20 others i'm probably forgetting..

now i know the man is keeping us down with the corporations taking over and the paradigm has shifted and people share downloads of great bands they go see so i'll give you 20 years ,from 1993 to 2013 to name 10 bands i could add to the list above.

the truth is the music business has always been tough and corrupt,managers had to give radio and record people cocaine,money,all kinds of favors but if your band could play you'd be heard.

kids dont sit in their garage and jam on guitars and drums,they want to be deadmau5 or one of the other big djs or rap like lil wayne or jay-z.thats why the biggest record of the summer was a white kid rapping,and he did with NO RECORD CONTRACT.

i'm sure there are people listening to rock and roll out there,and i'm sure there are gatherings of people listening to polka and bluegrass somwhere but our time has passed,time to face it.

The World Not, But Me!!!

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oh for gods sake....give me the names of ten rock bands who had number one records in the last decade.

I think this is the heart of the disconnect I'm feeling here. Surely "the charts"--any kind of charts--are outmoded ways of deciding whether certain kinds of music are alive and well? Most people have no clue what's on the charts. Thousands of them go to see bands they love but whose music they haven't bought in any conventional ways--people share downloads, etc., the whole paradigm has shifted. In the 60s there were way fewer bands who only got heard if they got a contract with a major recording company. Now there are zillions of bands who share their music via the internet, etc., and sidestep the corporate route altogether. It's a different world, but rock is still very much alive.

As, I was surprised to see, is Bobby Vee. "Rubber Ball" was one of the first singles I bought.

i see your point so lets forget about "the charts" - rock and roll began in about 1955 and died a sudden death about 1995.

from 55 on we had elvis,buddy holly, chuck berry,jerry lee,little richard,the rolling stones ,the yardbirds,the beatles,the who,jimi hendrix,pink floyd,led zeppelin,queen,the j geils band,csn&y,ac/dc,U2,jefferson airplane,grateful dead,mott the hoople,ten years after,aerosmith,iggy and the stooges,cream,david bowie,the velvet underground,black sabbath,deep purple,guns and roses,soungarden,nirvana and about 20 others i'm probably forgetting..

now i know the man is keeping us down with the corporations taking over and the paradigm has shifted and people share downloads of great bands they go see so i'll give you 20 years ,from 1993 to 2013 to name 10 bands i could add to the list above.

the truth is the music business has always been tough and corrupt,managers had to give radio and record people cocaine,money,all kinds of favors but if your band could play you'd be heard.

kids dont sit in their garage and jam on guitars and drums,they want to be deadmau5 or one of the other big djs or rap like lil wayne or jay-z.thats why the biggest record of the summer was a white kid rapping,and he did with NO RECORD CONTRACT.

i'm sure there are people listening to rock and roll out there,and i'm sure there are gatherings of people listening to polka and bluegrass somwhere but our time has passed,time to face it.

Not sure what you mean by adding bands to the list--you mean rock bands, rock bands that sell a lot (again, that's not necessarily the issue these days), or what? There's the White Stripes (plus Raconteurs, Dead Weather, etc.), Foo Fighters, Kills, Queens of the Stone Age, Pearl Jam, Nine Inch Nails, zillions of lesser-known bands . . . Maybe we're not defining rock and roll the same way?

"Hey hey, my my Rock and roll can never die"

"My my, hey hey Rock and roll is here to stay"

Why not?!?They are a Rock'n'roll Band, not ballet dancers or Bank employees...Simply make records should be their natural and obvious activity and attitude...One album in over eight years:what a stress!The world NEED another new album!!

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Not sure what you mean by adding bands to the list--you mean rock bands, rock bands that sell a lot (again, that's not necessarily the issue these days), or what? There's the White Stripes (plus Raconteurs, Dead Weather, etc.), Foo Fighters, Kills, Queens of the Stone Age, Pearl Jam, Nine Inch Nails, zillions of lesser-known bands . . . Maybe we're not defining rock and roll the same way?

whats so hard to figure out? the bands you named ,the foo fighters are dave from nirvanas band ,queens of the stone age began in 96,nine inch nails began in 88, pearl jam celebrated their 20th annivesary recently so you gave me a list of "new" bands that have a combined experience of about 75 years in the business.

my point was i wanna see bands that came out in the last 10 or 20 years that can hold a candle to any of the acts i mentioned,i'm sure you're gonna give me the names of the new stones,who,led zeppelin and pink floyd otherwise i'm gonna go on thinking its kinda over.i'm not asking for "zillions" just 5 or 10.i dont want them to be "well known",just somebody that can flat out play....

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has anybody asked them..?

I was going to but I misplaced Mick's cell number.

Mick is doing time? So that is why we never get a new album? Didn't know that!