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Thanks for posting; I never noticed that: Keith gets upset and Taylor doesn't give a shit. Those were the days. Priceless.
Difficult to judge footage, but to me Taylor stops the noodling and looks quite sheepisly to Richards.
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I'm no lip reader, but I don't see him saying "Shut the @#$%& up!".
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That's it? This happens every second on stage, less noticeable but the band leader does lead. Taylor's lost in his own world for a second.
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I'm no lip reader, but I don't see him saying "Shut the @#$%& up!".
It's more 'stop fvucking around'.
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And as usual, Taylor didn't give a @#$%&, that's what I liked about him. He didn't care much for Keith musical opinions on stage. Refused to listen to the "boss" and trusted his own compass. That's what I call a musician.
He cared enough to be so unhappy that he left the Stones. And what you call a musician I call a failure.
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Hm, that's kind of cold. I don't blame MT for leaving the Stones. They were forcing him out of the band (not only not giving him promised writing credits, but Keith was erasing his tracks), so he may has well have quit. They were already friends with Ron Wood and were hanging out with him and recording with him. It's probable if Taylor hadn't quit, they would have replaced him with Ron Wood anyways. It was the Stones' call to make who they preferred playing with, but I don't think it reflects that badly on MT that he could see the handwriting on the wall and moved on. It wasn't exactly leaving them in the lurch because Ron's time with the Faces was over and he was ready to step in.
so Taylor was forced out? Harvey Mandel and the rest was just so they'd be sure? The made up their minds recording IORR at Wood's studio and made Taylor miserable from there?Quote
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And as usual, Taylor didn't give a @#$%&, that's what I liked about him. He didn't care much for Keith musical opinions on stage. Refused to listen to the "boss" and trusted his own compass. That's what I call a musician.
He cared enough to be so unhappy that he left the Stones. And what you call a musician I call a failure.
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Hm, that's kind of cold. I don't blame MT for leaving the Stones. They were forcing him out of the band (not only not giving him promised writing credits, but Keith was erasing his tracks), so he may has well have quit. They were already friends with Ron Wood and were hanging out with him and recording with him. It's probable if Taylor hadn't quit, they would have replaced him with Ron Wood anyways. It was the Stones' call to make who they preferred playing with, but I don't think it reflects that badly on MT that he could see the handwriting on the wall and moved on. It wasn't exactly leaving them in the lurch because Ron's time with the Faces was over and he was ready to step in.
You nailed it marianna, that's exactly my conclusion. It's simply logic and a matter of deduction and common sense.
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Considering Ron wound up with another "inspiration" credit on the next album for yet another song, it's obvious he may have been someone they preferred. In any case, they weren't that thrilled with Taylor anymore if Mick J. wrote IORR with Ron Wood. He used to write with MT (let's say to bounce ideas off or help with performing the song demo rather than co-write the song), but he did it with Ron Wood instead. Ron wound up with the job after their using other guys besides Ron on the session for the mediocre Black and Blue album, supposedly in the name of auditioning the other guitarists. They even auditioned Steve Marriott. Does anyone think they would seriously audition a showboating lead singer such as Steve Marriott, known for his singing and less for guitar playing, if they were serious about auditioning guitar players besides Ron Wood? They probably didn't want Ron to get any big ideas, so they gave him some competition, but the job was always his if he wanted it.
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DoomandGloomso Taylor was forced out? Harvey Mandel and the rest was just so they'd be sure? The made up their minds recording IORR at Wood's studio and made Taylor miserable from there?Quote
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And as usual, Taylor didn't give a @#$%&, that's what I liked about him. He didn't care much for Keith musical opinions on stage. Refused to listen to the "boss" and trusted his own compass. That's what I call a musician.
He cared enough to be so unhappy that he left the Stones. And what you call a musician I call a failure.
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Hm, that's kind of cold. I don't blame MT for leaving the Stones. They were forcing him out of the band (not only not giving him promised writing credits, but Keith was erasing his tracks), so he may has well have quit. They were already friends with Ron Wood and were hanging out with him and recording with him. It's probable if Taylor hadn't quit, they would have replaced him with Ron Wood anyways. It was the Stones' call to make who they preferred playing with, but I don't think it reflects that badly on MT that he could see the handwriting on the wall and moved on. It wasn't exactly leaving them in the lurch because Ron's time with the Faces was over and he was ready to step in.
You nailed it marianna, that's exactly my conclusion. It's simply logic and a matter of deduction and common sense.
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Meh...not this again, now Taylor is even joining in. Ronnie has more dignity than to make silly statements such as this.
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marianna
Considering Ron wound up with another "inspiration" credit on the next album for yet another song, it's obvious he may have been someone they preferred. In any case, they weren't that thrilled with Taylor anymore if Mick J. wrote IORR with Ron Wood. He used to write with MT (let's say to bounce ideas off or help with performing the song demo rather than co-write the song), but he did it with Ron Wood instead. Ron wound up with the job after their using other guys besides Ron on the session for the mediocre Black and Blue album, supposedly in the name of auditioning the other guitarists. They even auditioned Steve Marriott. Does anyone think they would seriously audition a showboating lead singer such as Steve Marriott, known for his singing and less for guitar playing, if they were serious about auditioning guitar players besides Ron Wood? They probably didn't want Ron to get any big ideas, so they gave him some competition, but the job was always his if he wanted it.
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Considering Ron wound up with another "inspiration" credit on the next album for yet another song, it's obvious he may have been someone they preferred. In any case, they weren't that thrilled with Taylor anymore if Mick J. wrote IORR with Ron Wood. He used to write with MT (let's say to bounce ideas off or help with performing the song demo rather than co-write the song), but he did it with Ron Wood instead. Ron wound up with the job after their using other guys besides Ron on the session for the mediocre Black and Blue album, supposedly in the name of auditioning the other guitarists. They even auditioned Steve Marriott. Does anyone think they would seriously audition a showboating lead singer such as Steve Marriott, known for his singing and less for guitar playing, if they were serious about auditioning guitar players besides Ron Wood? They probably didn't want Ron to get any big ideas, so they gave him some competition, but the job was always his if he wanted it.
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Taylor had a little smirk on his face when he said it, he was clearly just taking the piss.
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marianna
I don't get calling Mick Taylor a "failure" regardless of why he left the Stones. He was hired by Bob Dylan after he left the Stones, and no matter what happened in his musical life after that fact, that's enough to conclude that somebody of merit thought he was good and therefore, not a failure.
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Between 1969 and 1974 The Rolling Stones made and released Let It Bleed, Get Yer Ya-Ya’s Out, Sticky Fingers, Exile On Main St. and Goats Head Soup, and Mick Taylor played on all of them.
This run of success – and more particularly the social and financial events that preceded and in some ways provoked it, especially the flight from Britain into tax exile – took its toll on all of the band; but for Mick Taylor, just married with an infant daughter, and years younger than the rest of them, it was a particularly crushing blow.
Struggling with lifestyle issues, angered over what he saw as deprivation of composition right, uncomfortable with strained relationships between other members, he took his leave. “Nobody leaves the Rolling Stones!” declared fellow band members; but Mick was gone.
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As for the Tumbling Dice episode, Taylor played something similar at another of the Houston or Fort Worth shows. Jagger says something to the effect of, "Stop that", but Taylor seems to keep playing.
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Funny thing is -I listened to the San Jose 2013 version of Rambler, and during the first shuffle jam Taylor starts to solo. Within 30 seconds he starts noodling again, playing these useless fake jazz fusion runs. I am absolutely sure Keith wanted to shout at that moment 'shut the fvck up' again, just like he did in '72.
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Mathijs's own fetisse... no one else has ever heard that from LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, but he is keep on circulating it as a fact....
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The result of Keith's reaction: Taylor goes back to play the riff - great stuff!
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The result of Keith's reaction: Taylor goes back to play the riff - great stuff!
"Great stuff" because Taylor is (I suppose) humilated by the master Keith and "forced" to slow down and go "back to play the riff"? You anti-Taylorites seem to get your kicks off from strangest things...
Anyway, I hear Keith saying "I shit on my pants"...
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The result of Keith's reaction: Taylor goes back to play the riff - great stuff!
"Great stuff" because Taylor is (I suppose) humilated by the master Keith and "forced" to slow down and go "back to play the riff"? You anti-Taylorites seem to get your kicks off from strangest things...
Anyway, I hear Keith saying "I shit on my pants"...
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<Taylor played lead guitar on what many consider the Stones’ three greatest albums -- “Let it Bleed>
I stopped there...
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Funny thing is -I listened to the San Jose 2013 version of Rambler, and during the first shuffle jam Taylor starts to solo. Within 30 seconds he starts noodling again, playing these useless fake jazz fusion runs. I am absolutely sure Keith wanted to shout at that moment 'shut the fvck up' again, just like he did in '72.
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Mathijs's own fetisse... no one else has ever heard that from LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, but he is keep on circulating it as a fact....
- Doxa
At 3:12.
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great clip, thanks for posting. and keith was right, mt was hurting the performance.