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rambler44This further proves how the Stones purposely misled fans into believing Taylor would play a bigger role just to sell tickets. And the arrogance that there has been no explanation provided is disgusting.
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kpl
The whole tour is becoming a drag already. The reivew of last nights show in the Oakland paper was spot on. The WEAK LINK in their sound is Keith and Ronnie.
I love the quote in the article "its a shame they are going out this way". Mick Taylor could rescue this tour and make it more than an Las Vegas show biz act and bring his special magic to energize the band again.
In Bill Wymans book he said the band never sounded better than they did with Mick Taylor. "He was such a good musicain, we all had to elevate our game".
I have no hope now MT will be used on more than one track on this tour. Keith's comments on Fallon and Jaggers comments in RS appear to be BS.
I will always have Ya, Ya's, Brussels affair and the many bootlegs from 69 to 73 showing Mick Taylors live exotic brilliance.
Also, I will always have Winter, Sway, Time Waits for No Man, All Down the Line ect ect ect in the studio to remind my ears that at one time this band was special and electrifying.
Have you seen a show? Tours in the Stones' heyday were not about YouTube, or setlists, or live audience recordings, or bootlegs. It was about going to see them when they came to your town. Mick Taylor was far less glorified by the audience when he was in the group than by people who have grown up on bootleg recordings. I'm not denigrating his contribution, but when the live show was about the in person experience, it was a different world than the one on this message board.
Teddy - WRONG!!! Sorry but after Jagger the one band member EVERYONE was talking
about in 1969 , 1972 & 1973 was: MICK TAYLOR!!!!! because of what he was doing
LIVE in concert. Back in those days, if you didn't have it, musically people walked out on you, saw that a few times, back then when "headliners" had someone better open for them, but back on point, the buzz on the street & radio was how
good the Stones were live, the reason was this kid on Lead Guitar who was the focal point of the Stones live sound - believe me he was glorified by the people going to and "listening" to what was comming off the stage.. MLC
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kpl
The whole tour is becoming a drag already. The reivew of last nights show in the Oakland paper was spot on. The WEAK LINK in their sound is Keith and Ronnie.
I love the quote in the article "its a shame they are going out this way". Mick Taylor could rescue this tour and make it more than an Las Vegas show biz act and bring his special magic to energize the band again.
In Bill Wymans book he said the band never sounded better than they did with Mick Taylor. "He was such a good musicain, we all had to elevate our game".
I have no hope now MT will be used on more than one track on this tour. Keith's comments on Fallon and Jaggers comments in RS appear to be BS.
I will always have Ya, Ya's, Brussels affair and the many bootlegs from 69 to 73 showing Mick Taylors live exotic brilliance.
Also, I will always have Winter, Sway, Time Waits for No Man, All Down the Line ect ect ect in the studio to remind my ears that at one time this band was special and electrifying.
Have you seen a show? Tours in the Stones' heyday were not about YouTube, or setlists, or live audience recordings, or bootlegs. It was about going to see them when they came to your town. Mick Taylor was far less glorified by the audience when he was in the group than by people who have grown up on bootleg recordings. I'm not denigrating his contribution, but when the live show was about the in person experience, it was a different world than the one on this message board.
Teddy - WRONG!!! Sorry but after Jagger the one band member EVERYONE was talking
about in 1969 , 1972 & 1973 was: MICK TAYLOR!!!!! because of what he was doing
LIVE in concert. Back in those days, if you didn't have it, musically people walked out on you, saw that a few times, back then when "headliners" had someone better open for them, but back on point, the buzz on the street & radio was how
good the Stones were live, the reason was this kid on Lead Guitar who was the focal point of the Stones live sound - believe me he was glorified by the people going to and "listening" to what was comming off the stage.. MLC
I was there too. I saw the '69 and '72 U.S. tours and after Mick Jagger (well after Jagger) people were talking about Keith Richards, the guy who wrote the songs and played all of Beggars Banquet and almost all of Let it Bleed, and was the epitome of rock and roll cool. There were still a lot of people who said the band died with Brian Jones. Obviously there were some people who dug Mick Taylor but there were also Stones fans who disn't appreciate the move into guitar solo heroism. I think Taylor was very important in moving the Stones into the 70's, but that everyone was talking about him? Only guitar worshipping boys. The real crux of this "argument" isn't even MT versus Ronnie, it's MT versus Keith.
Incidentially, I'd like to see MT play more too, so don't misunderstand. I think he would add a different bluesy dimension (danger too). And I like Woody. But I guess it's hard to have someone play an in between role. When Rod had Beck for those couple of shows and he played on like five songs, it was the highlight but also distracting.
Oops: forgot I also saw them in '73 at Nicaragua benefit.
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Max'sKansasCity
I wonder how many here who appear so emotional, and overly concerned, about getting Taylor more songs on this tour and spending so much of their time and effort posting so many words here, have ever spent a fraction of that time and effort either thinking about, or actually doing something, to help fight against REAL problems in this world. For instance.....
Slavery still exists, and many new laws fighting human trafficking are needed to fight it.
The worlds oceans are being severely over harvested and international agreement must be made, and kept, to keep them healthy.
Access to healthy drinking water is an increasing concern, and must be addressed.
Something is wrong with the worlds honey bees, look up colony collapse disorder.
Big Business is wanting to gentically modify the worlds crops, and force it upon us.
Global over population is going to kill this planet, humans can not continue to grow at the current rate without casuing major issues.
Those are a just a few of the REAL PROBLEMS facing this planet, and could use the type of attention, petitions and emotional out pouring, that is being given Mick Taylor.
I wonder, "Do any of these "Taylor Activist" "donate" any of thier efforts towards any real issues facing the planet?"
I do spend part of my time, money and efforts where they might do some good. I try to do my part. I support, donate money and write letters or emails to fight real issues in this world, hopefully where they might do the most good.
Everyone is in a position to help on those issues, just as every one of those issues could affect everyone. I was simply trying to say that maybe some the more zealous Taylor activists might direct some of their energy towards one of the more important issues facing this planet, besides Taylor playing more songs. And the only reason I mentioned what I do was to answer that question before it was asked.Quote
treaclefingers
Unfortunately I don't think Mick Taylor is in a position to help on any of the real issues.
I do much of that, fight for healthy food and against Monsanto plus volunteer for seniors in my town. The Taylor thing is just a hobby but he's getting screwed. He is a toy to these richies and it's offensive.Quote
Max'sKansasCityEveryone is in a position to help on those issues, just as every one of those issues could affect everyone. I was simply trying to say that maybe some the more zealous Taylor activists might direct some of their energy towards one of the more important issues facing this planet, besides Taylor playing more songs. And the only reason I mentioned what I do was to answer that question before it was asked.Quote
treaclefingers
Unfortunately I don't think Mick Taylor is in a position to help on any of the real issues.
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DoomandGloomI do much of that, fight for healthy food and against Monsanto plus volunteer for seniors in my town. The Taylor thing is just a hobby but he's getting screwed. He is a toy to these richies and it's offensive.Quote
Max'sKansasCityEveryone is in a position to help on those issues, just as every one of those issues could affect everyone. I was simply trying to say that maybe some the more zealous Taylor activists might direct some of their energy towards one of the more important issues facing this planet, besides Taylor playing more songs. And the only reason I mentioned what I do was to answer that question before it was asked.Quote
treaclefingers
Unfortunately I don't think Mick Taylor is in a position to help on any of the real issues.
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TeddyB1018
Obviously there were some people who dug Mick Taylor but there were also Stones fans who disn't appreciate the move into guitar solo heroism.
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Max'sKansasCityEveryone is in a position to help on those issues, just as every one of those issues could affect everyone. I was simply trying to say that maybe some the more zealous Taylor activists might direct some of their energy towards one of the more important issues facing this planet, besides Taylor playing more songs. And the only reason I mentioned what I do was to answer that question before it was asked.Quote
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Unfortunately I don't think Mick Taylor is in a position to help on any of the real issues.
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Max'sKansasCityEveryone is in a position to help on those issues, just as every one of those issues could affect everyone. I was simply trying to say that maybe some the more zealous Taylor activists might direct some of their energy towards one of the more important issues facing this planet, besides Taylor playing more songs. And the only reason I mentioned what I do was to answer that question before it was asked.Quote
treaclefingers
Unfortunately I don't think Mick Taylor is in a position to help on any of the real issues.
ah. no self-aggrandizing at all.
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darkstardew
I'm wondering if Mick Taylor isn't up for more, either from the rest of the Stones' viewpoint or his own... I love the man and he's my favorite historically but after listening to the Oakland Rambler again, his playing isn't all that amazing. He stumbles a little bit on the solo, has a few nice melodic ideas, then peters out (and I remember him kissing and talking to Woody, who took the final solo.) Maybe he is hitting the bottle and/or is having arthritis issues?
In any case I still would like to hear him play more but I wonder if (as others have) there's something going on behind the scenes.
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Hairball
How about all those other anti-Mick Taylor/pro-Ronnie folks?
Perhaps they could better spend their time by showing some love to the world rather than hating on MT.
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kleermaker
In the meanwhile, what does Taylor himself think of this issue? He doesn't talk, but he lets his guitar speak in a very subtle way.
During the Oakland MR he played two notes and they were just a cry. It's that what makes Taylor such an interesting and extraordinary musician. Only TWO notes simply make this version of MR worthwhile.
Listen and shudder:
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Max'sKansasCity
Oh brother... here it comes again.
Some people just love bashing on Ronnie, while whining their heads off at the slightest anything about Taylor.
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Oh brother... here it comes again.
Some people just love bashing on Ronnie, while whining their heads off at the slightest anything about Taylor.
Not bashing. Just saying there is a double standard in rock & roll about drugs vs. weight. Over indulging in drinking or drugs is sort of considered a rock & roll sign of authenticity while weight gain is seen as completely inconsistent with rock & roll glory. You can be a drunk, but not fat. I find this regrettable. Speaking of Ronnie: he has his stuff together and is playing better than in years. I love the sound he is getting. Twangy and in your face (Dead Flowers is a great example). I couldn't be happier.
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Oh brother... here it comes again.
Some people just love bashing on Ronnie, while whining their heads off at the slightest anything about Taylor.
Not bashing. Just saying there is a double standard in rock & roll about drugs vs. weight. Over indulging in drinking or drugs is sort of considered a rock & roll sign of authenticity while weight gain is seen as completely inconsistent with rock & roll glory. You can be a drunk, but not fat. I find this regrettable. Speaking of Ronnie: he has his stuff together and is playing better than in years. I love the sound he is getting. Twangy and in your face (Dead Flowers is a great example). I couldn't be happier.
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Max'sKansasCity
Oh brother... here it comes again.
Some people just love bashing on Ronnie, while whining their heads off at the slightest anything about Taylor.
Not bashing. Just saying there is a double standard in rock & roll about drugs vs. weight. Over indulging in drinking or drugs is sort of considered a rock & roll sign of authenticity while weight gain is seen as completely inconsistent with rock & roll glory. You can be a drunk, but not fat. I find this regrettable. Speaking of Ronnie: he has his stuff together and is playing better than in years. I love the sound he is getting. Twangy and in your face (Dead Flowers is a great example). I couldn't be happier.
liar. you could be plenty happier and you know it.
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In all my Stones concerts, multiple stops on every tour since 1981, and Ronnie did his job perfectly every time. Maybe people hit the wrong shows, but every time I saw him, he was perfect.
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I'm wondering if Mick Taylor isn't up for more, either from the rest of the Stones' viewpoint or his own... I love the man and he's my favorite historically but after listening to the Oakland Rambler again, his playing isn't all that amazing. He stumbles a little bit on the solo, has a few nice melodic ideas, then peters out (and I remember him kissing and talking to Woody, who took the final solo.) Maybe he is hitting the bottle and/or is having arthritis issues?
In any case I still would like to hear him play more but I wonder if (as others have) there's something going on behind the scenes.
Well, I think one thing that is going on is that because MT is only being alotted one song, he is trying to make the most of it and hamming it up in a way that doesn't come natural for him. It's funny though, because many people who are criticizing him for moving around too much and waving his arms, etc. are the same people who didn't like him because he stood still and didn't "look like a Stone". So which way do you want it, folks?
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In all my Stones concerts, multiple stops on every tour since 1981, and Ronnie did his job perfectly every time. Maybe people hit the wrong shows, but every time I saw him, he was perfect.
Come on Max!
Your undying love for Ronnie is quite admirable, and defending him at all costs is very brave, but NOBODY'S PERFECT.
Or maybe Ronnie is perfect, and maybe I hit all the wrong shows...lol.
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Oh brother... here it comes again.
Some people just love bashing on Ronnie, while whining their heads off at the slightest anything about Taylor.
Not bashing. Just saying there is a double standard in rock & roll about drugs vs. weight. Over indulging in drinking or drugs is sort of considered a rock & roll sign of authenticity while weight gain is seen as completely inconsistent with rock & roll glory. You can be a drunk, but not fat. I find this regrettable. Speaking of Ronnie: he has his stuff together and is playing better than in years. I love the sound he is getting. Twangy and in your face (Dead Flowers is a great example). I couldn't be happier.
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Max'sKansasCity
Oh brother... here it comes again.
Some people just love bashing on Ronnie, while whining their heads off at the slightest anything about Taylor.
Not bashing. Just saying there is a double standard in rock & roll about drugs vs. weight. Over indulging in drinking or drugs is sort of considered a rock & roll sign of authenticity while weight gain is seen as completely inconsistent with rock & roll glory. You can be a drunk, but not fat. I find this regrettable. Speaking of Ronnie: he has his stuff together and is playing better than in years. I love the sound he is getting. Twangy and in your face (Dead Flowers is a great example). I couldn't be happier.
In all my Stones concerts, multiple stops on every tour since 1981, and Ronnie did his job perfectly every time. Maybe people hit the wrong shows, but every time I saw him, he was perfect.
...and it is at this point someone post that mislabeled "Ronnie drunk" youtube clip.... the clip is doesnt show that.... so please dont bother.
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Oh brother... here it comes again.
Some people just love bashing on Ronnie, while whining their heads off at the slightest anything about Taylor.
Not bashing. Just saying there is a double standard in rock & roll about drugs vs. weight. Over indulging in drinking or drugs is sort of considered a rock & roll sign of authenticity while weight gain is seen as completely inconsistent with rock & roll glory. You can be a drunk, but not fat. I find this regrettable. Speaking of Ronnie: he has his stuff together and is playing better than in years. I love the sound he is getting. Twangy and in your face (Dead Flowers is a great example). I couldn't be happier.
liar. you could be plenty happier and you know it.
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Max'sKansasCity
Oh brother... here it comes again.
Some people just love bashing on Ronnie, while whining their heads off at the slightest anything about Taylor.
Not bashing. Just saying there is a double standard in rock & roll about drugs vs. weight. Over indulging in drinking or drugs is sort of considered a rock & roll sign of authenticity while weight gain is seen as completely inconsistent with rock & roll glory. You can be a drunk, but not fat. I find this regrettable. Speaking of Ronnie: he has his stuff together and is playing better than in years. I love the sound he is getting. Twangy and in your face (Dead Flowers is a great example). I couldn't be happier.
liar. you could be plenty happier and you know it.
How you doing up there in the peanut gallery? Ya got enough peanuts? plenty to drink?