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Vonarndt
There will be no BW and MT tonight...already anounced... they will be at Newark however.
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bleedingman
I was very close to Keith and, to me, he looked like he was in pain a good deal of the time. He moved very stiffly and his eyes often lacked focus, not to mention fire. Ronnie often stood close to him, as if trying to get his attention and "wake him up". A few times e.g. before "Sympathy" when they were off stage, behind the drums, Keith was stooped over a table, holding and steadying himself, looking like an 80 year-old man. Then he would take a deep breath and find his way back out to the stage. His solo in "Sympathy", to my ears, was a noodle-laced, uninspired drivel of notes.
Interesting to see/hear him screw up a very, very basic lick like the "Last Time" intro, made even more so by the fact that it was Brian who played this, back in the day.
I love Keith but, based on my observations, I can't see him doing this for very much longer.
I think the late start made it difficult for the band to gain initial momentum. After the first few songs, people applauded but it died down quickly. Mick was in fine form, especially considering his age, the consumate entertainer. Having said that, I felt awkward when he would come over, encouraging us to clap in every song. Sometimes I just want to listen or watch and clapping is just not my thing. He seems to watch the audience very carefully and I felt obligated to oblige him with clapping, but my heart wasn't in it.
The acoustics from where I sat were awful, it was hard to distinguish individual bass notes, even when Darryl did the solo in miss you. The bass seemed to wash over the guitars and it was a big mush of sound for the most part.
!!! did you get free tickets?
because there's nothing like dropping a thou to make you see and hear great
things. one of the under-discussed reasons why these shows are getting good
reviews.
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And I have a confession to make... At the end of the show I thought... This is the time to call it quits.
Now there's something finally we can all agree on.
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And I have a confession to make... At the end of the show I thought... This is the time to call it quits.
Now there's something finally we can all agree on.
My first thought on this is maybe he realizes that after all the rehearsals, two London shows and the long awaited arrival on the US shores in NY and the Stones roll out nothing but the same show with NO changes that it is getting stale and expensive even for him.
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Star Focker
I told my friends something similar before the show. I said, "When they play 'Gimme Shelter' it's all over.
Sure enough, the setlist didn't miss a beat. I felt it was an identical show to their last appearances here.
I said, "Watch, it'll be
Gimme Shelter
Midnight Rambler
Sympathy
You Can't Always Get...
Brown Sugar
Tumbling Dice
Happy
It's Only Rock and Roll
Miss You
Start Me up
Satisfaction
And that's exactly what went down. N
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I could write up a long list of issues and problems. Like the guy that arrived next to me with his "girl friend" and wanted me to leave my spot in favour of his "girl friend". He ruined most of "The Last Time", called me a looser and all other sorts of low live callings, and then I left for another spot, like I always do when there is a person that do not respect others at shows. I could have written a pissed off review and stated that Americans are rude and do not treat their guests well. But I do have manners, and in fact it is the opposite.
Americans are rude, in general, and have severe (major) entitlement issues, mainly due to thinking they get to behave based on what they paid. It's disgusting and has ruined the live experience for me across the board.
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Star Focker
I told my friends something similar before the show. I said, "When they play 'Gimme Shelter' it's all over.
Sure enough, the setlist didn't miss a beat. I felt it was an identical show to their last appearances here.
I said, "Watch, it'll be
Gimme Shelter
Midnight Rambler
Sympathy
You Can't Always Get...
Brown Sugar
Tumbling Dice
Happy
It's Only Rock and Roll
Miss You
Start Me up
Satisfaction
And that's exactly what went down. N
Not sure why that'd be something that irked you.
Unless you were at the London shows...why would it bother that it was the same set--why would it be radically different? I'm not getting it: are the Stones playing shows to entertain the people in attendance at the venue or the people online reading setlists from shows they weren't at? I thought it was the former.
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Star Focker
I told my friends something similar before the show. I said, "When they play 'Gimme Shelter' it's all over.
Sure enough, the setlist didn't miss a beat. I felt it was an identical show to their last appearances here.
I said, "Watch, it'll be
Gimme Shelter
Midnight Rambler
Sympathy
You Can't Always Get...
Brown Sugar
Tumbling Dice
Happy
It's Only Rock and Roll
Miss You
Start Me up
Satisfaction
And that's exactly what went down. N
Not sure why that'd be something that irked you.
Unless you were at the London shows...why would it bother that it was the same set--why would it be radically different? I'm not getting it: are the Stones playing shows to entertain the people in attendance at the venue or the people online reading setlists from shows they weren't at? I thought it was the former.
I did not study the setlist online. And if I DID, I would have half-expected "Lady Jane."
It "irks" me (it doesn't IRK me, it disappoints me) because it's a predictable setlist, ESPECIALLY for those in attendance! Rock and roll should make you jump in the air.
I mean, they keep touring under the banner of something new -- either 40 Licks, or Bigger Bang, or Grrrr 50 -- and it's the same setlist. Not only that, they are ostensibly celebrating a career, and MOST of their live numbers were recorded in the same four-year window.
I did not hate the show, I'm not putting them down -- I'm saying that their current incarnation lacks imagination.
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bleedingman
I was very close to Keith and, to me, he looked like he was in pain a good deal of the time. He moved very stiffly and his eyes often lacked focus, not to mention fire. Ronnie often stood close to him, as if trying to get his attention and "wake him up". A few times e.g. before "Sympathy" when they were off stage, behind the drums, Keith was stooped over a table, holding and steadying himself, looking like an 80 year-old man. Then he would take a deep breath and find his way back out to the stage. His solo in "Sympathy", to my ears, was a noodle-laced, uninspired drivel of notes.
Interesting to see/hear him screw up a very, very basic lick like the "Last Time" intro, made even more so by the fact that it was Brian who played this, back in the day.
I love Keith but, based on my observations, I can't see him doing this for very much longer.
I think the late start made it difficult for the band to gain initial momentum. After the first few songs, people applauded but it died down quickly. Mick was in fine form, especially considering his age, the consumate entertainer. Having said that, I felt awkward when he would come over, encouraging us to clap in every song. Sometimes I just want to listen or watch and clapping is just not my thing. He seems to watch the audience very carefully and I felt obligated to oblige him with clapping, but my heart wasn't in it.
The acoustics from where I sat were awful, it was hard to distinguish individual bass notes, even when Darryl did the solo in miss you. The bass seemed to wash over the guitars and it was a big mush of sound for the most part.
!!! did you get free tickets?
because there's nothing like dropping a thou to make you see and hear great
things. one of the under-discussed reasons why these shows are getting good
reviews.
Actually, all of the accounts I have read from people who got free tickets, 100%, have been uniformly raves. The people who paid for their tickets, for the most part, are more knowledgeable, people who post here and on other sites, and noted the flaws while praising the overall performance, with a very few exceptions. So it's not that. Maybe you just had to be there, I don't know, maybe you just can't tell from looking at a list of songs titles?
I think there is probably truth to the weakness of Keith, think it's very possible it's a huge effort for him to suck it up for these shows. That he is pulling it off so well (I'm talking about the playing, not the song selection that has some so up in arms) is impressive.
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bleedingman
Not to belabor this, but I sort of wish someone had taken a picture of Keith leaning on that table behind the drums. He looked like a prizefighter between rounds of a grueling fight. Other people milled about and no one approached him but he looked like he was hurting. I wonder if he's playing lighter gauge strings or if his guitars have been modified to his condition? He did fire out some very nice "Keith" riffs during the evening, I agree.
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jazzbass
I saw him leaning on the table. I don't know what all the fuss is about. He was taking a break.
I play 3 hour long gigs regularly. We take a 15 minute break between sets 1-2 and 2-3. I find a chair and sit down. My feat hurt a bit, my shoulder etc. from holding a heavy Les Paul or Fender Jazz Bass and I'm only 44.
At the end of the day, is is only standing on stage for 2 1/2 hours with several days before and after off. Even at 70, I'd hope to be able to do that.
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bleedingman
Hope you're right and he's happy and healthy.
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bv
I could write up a long list of issues and problems. Like the guy that arrived next to me with his "girl friend" and wanted me to leave my spot in favour of his "girl friend". He ruined most of "The Last Time", called me a looser and all other sorts of low live callings, and then I left for another spot, like I always do when there is a person that do not respect others at shows. I could have written a pissed off review and stated that Americans are rude and do not treat their guests well. But I do have manners, and in fact it is the opposite.
Americans are rude, in general, and have severe (major) entitlement issues, mainly due to thinking they get to behave based on what they paid. It's disgusting and has ruined the live experience for me across the board.
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bv
I could write up a long list of issues and problems. Like the guy that arrived next to me with his "girl friend" and wanted me to leave my spot in favour of his "girl friend". He ruined most of "The Last Time", called me a looser and all other sorts of low live callings, and then I left for another spot, like I always do when there is a person that do not respect others at shows. I could have written a pissed off review and stated that Americans are rude and do not treat their guests well. But I do have manners, and in fact it is the opposite.
Americans are rude, in general, and have severe (major) entitlement issues, mainly due to thinking they get to behave based on what they paid. It's disgusting and has ruined the live experience for me across the board.
we're sorry....or something.
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bv
I could write up a long list of issues and problems. Like the guy that arrived next to me with his "girl friend" and wanted me to leave my spot in favour of his "girl friend". He ruined most of "The Last Time", called me a looser and all other sorts of low live callings, and then I left for another spot, like I always do when there is a person that do not respect others at shows. I could have written a pissed off review and stated that Americans are rude and do not treat their guests well. But I do have manners, and in fact it is the opposite.
Americans are rude, in general, and have severe (major) entitlement issues, mainly due to thinking they get to behave based on what they paid. It's disgusting and has ruined the live experience for me across the board.
we're sorry....or something.
Speak for yourself...ruined $1000 RnR shows are an American specialty...
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I told my friends something similar before the show. I said, "When they play 'Gimme Shelter' it's all over.
Sure enough, the setlist didn't miss a beat. I felt it was an identical show to their last appearances here.
I said, "Watch, it'll be
Gimme Shelter
Midnight Rambler
Sympathy
You Can't Always Get...
Brown Sugar
Tumbling Dice
Happy
It's Only Rock and Roll
Miss You
Start Me up
Satisfaction
And that's exactly what went down. N
Not sure why that'd be something that irked you.
Unless you were at the London shows...why would it bother that it was the same set--why would it be radically different? I'm not getting it: are the Stones playing shows to entertain the people in attendance at the venue or the people online reading setlists from shows they weren't at? I thought it was the former.
I did not study the setlist online. And if I DID, I would have half-expected "Lady Jane."
It "irks" me (it doesn't IRK me, it disappoints me) because it's a predictable setlist, ESPECIALLY for those in attendance! Rock and roll should make you jump in the air.
I mean, they keep touring under the banner of something new -- either 40 Licks, or Bigger Bang, or Grrrr 50 -- and it's the same setlist. Not only that, they are ostensibly celebrating a career, and MOST of their live numbers were recorded in the same four-year window.
I did not hate the show, I'm not putting them down -- I'm saying that their current incarnation lacks imagination.
The set list represents what, for the most part, the mainstream audience wants to hear. There isn't enough "hard core" Stones fans to fill a theater let alone an arena. The Stones target the mainstream population and they want to hear Satisfaction and Brown Sugar.
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bleedingman
I was very close to Keith and, to me, he looked like he was in pain a good deal of the time. He moved very stiffly and his eyes often lacked focus, not to mention fire. Ronnie often stood close to him, as if trying to get his attention and "wake him up". A few times e.g. before "Sympathy" when they were off stage, behind the drums, Keith was stooped over a table, holding and steadying himself, looking like an 80 year-old man. Then he would take a deep breath and find his way back out to the stage. His solo in "Sympathy", to my ears, was a noodle-laced, uninspired drivel of notes.
Interesting to see/hear him screw up a very, very basic lick like the "Last Time" intro, made even more so by the fact that it was Brian who played this, back in the day.
I love Keith but, based on my observations, I can't see him doing this for very much longer.
I think the late start made it difficult for the band to gain initial momentum. After the first few songs, people applauded but it died down quickly. Mick was in fine form, especially considering his age, the consumate entertainer. Having said that, I felt awkward when he would come over, encouraging us to clap in every song. Sometimes I just want to listen or watch and clapping is just not my thing. He seems to watch the audience very carefully and I felt obligated to oblige him with clapping, but my heart wasn't in it.
The acoustics from where I sat were awful, it was hard to distinguish individual bass notes, even when Darryl did the solo in miss you. The bass seemed to wash over the guitars and it was a big mush of sound for the most part.
As bv stated, the staff at Barclay's couldn't have been friendlier, which made for a relaxing and pleasant vibe. No complaints there.
Glad I went but unless they play a much smaller venue, this will be my last Stones show, and that makes me sad.