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I'm not at all convinced.
But they will bring some news about that next week...
I meant "authenticity" in their sound and style - sounding like what people think they should sound like on order to sound like 'authentic' or 'classic' Stones. A BIGGER BANG is full of that: like pointing out the very distinguished parts - type of songs, Keith's riffs, Jagger's vocals, Charlie's drums, and yaeh a bit of Ronnie's slide - that everyone can clearly hear that is teh 'authentic' Stones style. The result is a huge pastishe bag of cliches without any spark of creativity or inspiration. This new song manages slightly better. Not much though.
I haer that kind of "box-thinking" in some people's worries that "where is Charlie?", etc. Shit, did anyone ask that when "Sympathy For The Devil" was relaesed? Or "You Can't Always Get What You Want"?
- Doxa
i keep playing it louder and louder
but its not working
maybe its just me
i'll try it again tomorrow
No but those songs were something NEW...and Doom And Gloom is eh...well, it's from McDonalds or something like that.
Well, unfortunately same here... After the first thrill and some repeated listenings in trying to make sense out of it, of its different tracks, parts, arrangements, ideas, etc. the cruel fact seems to remain that the song itself lacks substance. Sounds strangely thin and artificial. Through the motions.
But I will give it time to see if it grows on me or not.
- Doxa
And after a few spins of I Just Wanna See His Face, what did you come up with?
Seriously, it's a groovy rock'n'roll-tune. It's fun to analyze music, but my guess is that this one is suppose to hit your gut and make you move, not think too much
Exactly, but the issue is not having Charlie there or not, but that if the song is a good or not. With this case - the song itself being nothing but a medocre 'by the numbers' piece of art Jagger does half-sleep - I guess the thinking was something like: "okay, let's try something else for change and not sound so damn retro all the time. Let's see if that makes the song more insteersting". Well, the actual result sounds to my ears now like a make-up, and not really substantive move to craete something novel.
Anyway, that trick did it for me - but my expectations were barely based on their half from output of last 11 yaers or so. I was briefly positively surprised.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-11 14:30 by Doxa.
Was samba-rock and choir song/gospel ballads new in 1968??
Charlie being there yes or no also hints to the Stones still being a working band yes or no. The sessions in London and NY, then in Paris, all where recieved with mixed feelings. Some said the Stones where rehearsing, others (me) where afraid the sessions where for something completely else, that there wheren't even sessions, and the especially Richards is a spent force.
This GD track isn't really a showcase of the Stones as a 'working' band, as it sounds very much like a Jagger solo track, or a left-over from ABB, and if Charlie and Richards are present on the recording it is very minimal. Wood's parts could be Wood, but it also could be any session player.
Mathijs
Kind of like the Gorilla cover? Lacking substance, fat and artificial.
If this is the best they could come up with after 7 years,there is not much hope,just an ok song,the type that Mick can come up with his eyes closed,very average and it will be forgetten in a couple of days,but for those here that are goin gaga over it,great for you..
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Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Koen
()
Date: October 11, 2012 13:36
Keith sounds ready for a tour! 
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Dreamer
()
Date: October 11, 2012 13:37
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Koen
Keith sounds ready for a tour!
I'm not at all convinced.
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Dreamer
()
Date: October 11, 2012 13:41
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DreamerQuote
Koen
Keith sounds ready for a tour!
I'm not at all convinced.
But they will bring some news about that next week...
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
JumpingKentFlash
()
Date: October 11, 2012 13:41
Love it. Hard-on right here.
JumpingKentFlash
JumpingKentFlash
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: October 11, 2012 13:42
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: October 11, 2012 13:43
FRACKING great .......
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
brownsugar86
()
Date: October 11, 2012 13:45
Pretty good, expected worse.
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 11, 2012 13:49
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
ghostryder13
()
Date: October 11, 2012 13:50
love it love it love it
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: October 11, 2012 13:52
after only ten listens, my tentative opinion:
in recent years, its been mostly mick's songs that have saved the day. but this
time, if the day is gonna be saved, for me, its gonna have to be by keith, with
his song. i liked don't stop, and keys to your heart, and the other one, and
almost all of a bigger bang, quite a lot, but this one...
it has not so far produced any elation.
(but on the other hand, for what its worth, neither has it produced any doom
nor gloom)
in recent years, its been mostly mick's songs that have saved the day. but this
time, if the day is gonna be saved, for me, its gonna have to be by keith, with
his song. i liked don't stop, and keys to your heart, and the other one, and
almost all of a bigger bang, quite a lot, but this one...
it has not so far produced any elation.
(but on the other hand, for what its worth, neither has it produced any doom
nor gloom)
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: October 11, 2012 13:56
neither has it produced any doom nor gloom) .......
That's what they're draggin' ya away from
ROCKMAN
That's what they're draggin' ya away from
ROCKMAN
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:00
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spain73Quote
DoxaQuote
spain73
"In the style of..." .... that's the Stones style, that's what we like, don't we?
I didn't actually expect a Sex Pistols or Paul Simon's style song...
We expected good rock and roll and that's what we get... Of course, it's not Brown Sugar or Tumblin' Dice but it's a good song anyway.
I think it is little 'out of the box' actually. Yeah, they have put there samples of the trademark Keef-riffing (played by anyone) for even the most stupid listeners to remind that it is "The Stones, man", but still it is not a typical Stones rocker, thanks basically of that rhythm track (and some 'ZZ Toppian' guitars).
I give my credits for that: the Stones not blindly copying themselves and trying to sound as 'authentic' as they can - we had that enough of that in A BIGGER BANG, thank you.
- Doxa
Any "authentic" song in the last decade? In the last 25 years maybe? If "authentic" means Exile or Beggar's, forget about it... that time will NEVER come back again. That's a fact, we must not expect that again... we love these boys and they keep makin' good songs in their seventies... That's all.
I meant "authenticity" in their sound and style - sounding like what people think they should sound like on order to sound like 'authentic' or 'classic' Stones. A BIGGER BANG is full of that: like pointing out the very distinguished parts - type of songs, Keith's riffs, Jagger's vocals, Charlie's drums, and yaeh a bit of Ronnie's slide - that everyone can clearly hear that is teh 'authentic' Stones style. The result is a huge pastishe bag of cliches without any spark of creativity or inspiration. This new song manages slightly better. Not much though.
I haer that kind of "box-thinking" in some people's worries that "where is Charlie?", etc. Shit, did anyone ask that when "Sympathy For The Devil" was relaesed? Or "You Can't Always Get What You Want"?
- Doxa
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:01
Quote
Rockman
neither has it produced any doom nor gloom) .......
That's what they're draggin' ya away from
i keep playing it louder and louder
but its not working
maybe its just me
i'll try it again tomorrow
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
whitem8
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:02
Great rock and roll! I doubt they could do anything that would satisfy some folks here. What is not to like about a great straight forward rocker. The production is great! It sounds analog and murky. Very nice job!
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Dreamer
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:02
Quote
DoxaQuote
spain73Quote
DoxaQuote
spain73
"In the style of..." .... that's the Stones style, that's what we like, don't we?
I didn't actually expect a Sex Pistols or Paul Simon's style song...
We expected good rock and roll and that's what we get... Of course, it's not Brown Sugar or Tumblin' Dice but it's a good song anyway.
I think it is little 'out of the box' actually. Yeah, they have put there samples of the trademark Keef-riffing (played by anyone) for even the most stupid listeners to remind that it is "The Stones, man", but still it is not a typical Stones rocker, thanks basically of that rhythm track (and some 'ZZ Toppian' guitars).
I give my credits for that: the Stones not blindly copying themselves and trying to sound as 'authentic' as they can - we had that enough of that in A BIGGER BANG, thank you.
- Doxa
Any "authentic" song in the last decade? In the last 25 years maybe? If "authentic" means Exile or Beggar's, forget about it... that time will NEVER come back again. That's a fact, we must not expect that again... we love these boys and they keep makin' good songs in their seventies... That's all.
I meant "authenticity" in their sound and style - sounding like what people think they should sound like on order to sound like 'authentic' or 'classic' Stones. A BIGGER BANG is full of that: like pointing out the very distinguished parts - type of songs, Keith's riffs, Jagger's vocals, Charlie's drums, and yaeh a bit of Ronnie's slide - that everyone can clearly hear that is teh 'authentic' Stones style. The result is a huge pastishe bag of cliches without any spark of creativity or inspiration. This new song manages slightly better. Not much though.
I haer that kind of "box-thinking" in some people's worries that "where is Charlie?", etc. Shit, did anyone ask that when "Sympathy For The Devil" was relaesed? Or "You Can't Always Get What You Want"?
- Doxa
No but those songs were something NEW...and Doom And Gloom is eh...well, it's from McDonalds or something like that.
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:07
Sometimes it's good just enjoying some new classic rock'n'roll.
This is one of those times
We don't need to be overwhelmed or mesmerized by the Stones - good music cuts it for me.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-11 14:08 by DandelionPowderman.
This is one of those times
We don't need to be overwhelmed or mesmerized by the Stones - good music cuts it for me.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-11 14:08 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:09
Quote
Mathijs
After listening to D&G several times now, I must say I get bored with it quite fast...
Mathijs
Well, unfortunately same here... After the first thrill and some repeated listenings in trying to make sense out of it, of its different tracks, parts, arrangements, ideas, etc. the cruel fact seems to remain that the song itself lacks substance. Sounds strangely thin and artificial. Through the motions.
But I will give it time to see if it grows on me or not.
- Doxa
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
spain73
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:12
Quote
whitem8
Great rock and roll! I doubt they could do anything that would satisfy some folks here. What is not to like about a great straight forward rocker. The production is great! It sounds analog and murky. Very nice job!
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:13
Quote
DoxaQuote
Mathijs
After listening to D&G several times now, I must say I get bored with it quite fast...
Mathijs
Well, unfortunately same here... After the first thrill and some repeated listenings in trying to make sense out of it, of its different tracks, parts, arrangements, ideas, etc. the cruel fact seems to remain that the song itself lacks substance. Sounds strangely thin and artificial. Through the motions.
But I will give it time to see if it grows on me or not.
- Doxa
And after a few spins of I Just Wanna See His Face, what did you come up with?
Seriously, it's a groovy rock'n'roll-tune. It's fun to analyze music, but my guess is that this one is suppose to hit your gut and make you move, not think too much
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
JK
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:18
Play it loud!
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:24
Quote
DreamerQuote
DoxaQuote
spain73Quote
DoxaQuote
spain73
"In the style of..." .... that's the Stones style, that's what we like, don't we?
I didn't actually expect a Sex Pistols or Paul Simon's style song...
We expected good rock and roll and that's what we get... Of course, it's not Brown Sugar or Tumblin' Dice but it's a good song anyway.
I think it is little 'out of the box' actually. Yeah, they have put there samples of the trademark Keef-riffing (played by anyone) for even the most stupid listeners to remind that it is "The Stones, man", but still it is not a typical Stones rocker, thanks basically of that rhythm track (and some 'ZZ Toppian' guitars).
I give my credits for that: the Stones not blindly copying themselves and trying to sound as 'authentic' as they can - we had that enough of that in A BIGGER BANG, thank you.
- Doxa
Any "authentic" song in the last decade? In the last 25 years maybe? If "authentic" means Exile or Beggar's, forget about it... that time will NEVER come back again. That's a fact, we must not expect that again... we love these boys and they keep makin' good songs in their seventies... That's all.
I meant "authenticity" in their sound and style - sounding like what people think they should sound like on order to sound like 'authentic' or 'classic' Stones. A BIGGER BANG is full of that: like pointing out the very distinguished parts - type of songs, Keith's riffs, Jagger's vocals, Charlie's drums, and yaeh a bit of Ronnie's slide - that everyone can clearly hear that is teh 'authentic' Stones style. The result is a huge pastishe bag of cliches without any spark of creativity or inspiration. This new song manages slightly better. Not much though.
I haer that kind of "box-thinking" in some people's worries that "where is Charlie?", etc. Shit, did anyone ask that when "Sympathy For The Devil" was relaesed? Or "You Can't Always Get What You Want"?
- Doxa
No but those songs were something NEW...and Doom And Gloom is eh...well, it's from McDonalds or something like that.
Exactly, but the issue is not having Charlie there or not, but that if the song is a good or not. With this case - the song itself being nothing but a medocre 'by the numbers' piece of art Jagger does half-sleep - I guess the thinking was something like: "okay, let's try something else for change and not sound so damn retro all the time. Let's see if that makes the song more insteersting". Well, the actual result sounds to my ears now like a make-up, and not really substantive move to craete something novel.
Anyway, that trick did it for me - but my expectations were barely based on their half from output of last 11 yaers or so. I was briefly positively surprised.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-11 14:30 by Doxa.
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
TheDailyBuzzherd
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:25
( Repost with additions )
It's a solid track in the vein of "High Wire". I hear everyone on this,
and LOVE that there's a strong football stadium stomp to it. Pick it apart,
"is it Charlie or is it Memorex?" is pointless ... we know they've used drum
machines before in a very deliberate way, here it's up front in the mix but
comes off organically ... note the "organic" handclapping which was NOT the
form or norm in The '80s when even John Fogerty, JOHN FOGERTY!!!, stooped
to using fake clapping on "Centerfield".
Net: "D+G" may not be "Jumpin' Jack Flash", but it's strong stuff, a rocker
as good if not better than "Rough Justice", which sounded fantastic with Wood
putting on a good slide performance, if not sounding as if a Stones / Faces
collaboration outright. This is one of the most aggressive rhythm performances
they've ever produced. Drums, front and center!
( As I hoped, Charlie owns this one. ABOUT TIME. Go Charlie!!! )
PS: A new geetar sound is in thar ... dunno who, possibly Keith? Kinda reminds me
of MT's noodling on "If You Can't Rock Me". Look here, they didn't go techno or whatever
crap trend is out there, they stuck to the Stones playbook.
It rocks. It rolls. It's The Rollin' Stones, man!
It's a solid track in the vein of "High Wire". I hear everyone on this,
and LOVE that there's a strong football stadium stomp to it. Pick it apart,
"is it Charlie or is it Memorex?" is pointless ... we know they've used drum
machines before in a very deliberate way, here it's up front in the mix but
comes off organically ... note the "organic" handclapping which was NOT the
form or norm in The '80s when even John Fogerty, JOHN FOGERTY!!!, stooped
to using fake clapping on "Centerfield".
Net: "D+G" may not be "Jumpin' Jack Flash", but it's strong stuff, a rocker
as good if not better than "Rough Justice", which sounded fantastic with Wood
putting on a good slide performance, if not sounding as if a Stones / Faces
collaboration outright. This is one of the most aggressive rhythm performances
they've ever produced. Drums, front and center!
( As I hoped, Charlie owns this one. ABOUT TIME. Go Charlie!!! )
PS: A new geetar sound is in thar ... dunno who, possibly Keith? Kinda reminds me
of MT's noodling on "If You Can't Rock Me". Look here, they didn't go techno or whatever
crap trend is out there, they stuck to the Stones playbook.
It rocks. It rolls. It's The Rollin' Stones, man!
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:26
Nice song. Sounds like it could have been on ABB.
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:28
Quote
DreamerQuote
DoxaQuote
spain73Quote
DoxaQuote
spain73
"In the style of..." .... that's the Stones style, that's what we like, don't we?
I didn't actually expect a Sex Pistols or Paul Simon's style song...
We expected good rock and roll and that's what we get... Of course, it's not Brown Sugar or Tumblin' Dice but it's a good song anyway.
I think it is little 'out of the box' actually. Yeah, they have put there samples of the trademark Keef-riffing (played by anyone) for even the most stupid listeners to remind that it is "The Stones, man", but still it is not a typical Stones rocker, thanks basically of that rhythm track (and some 'ZZ Toppian' guitars).
I give my credits for that: the Stones not blindly copying themselves and trying to sound as 'authentic' as they can - we had that enough of that in A BIGGER BANG, thank you.
- Doxa
Any "authentic" song in the last decade? In the last 25 years maybe? If "authentic" means Exile or Beggar's, forget about it... that time will NEVER come back again. That's a fact, we must not expect that again... we love these boys and they keep makin' good songs in their seventies... That's all.
I meant "authenticity" in their sound and style - sounding like what people think they should sound like on order to sound like 'authentic' or 'classic' Stones. A BIGGER BANG is full of that: like pointing out the very distinguished parts - type of songs, Keith's riffs, Jagger's vocals, Charlie's drums, and yaeh a bit of Ronnie's slide - that everyone can clearly hear that is teh 'authentic' Stones style. The result is a huge pastishe bag of cliches without any spark of creativity or inspiration. This new song manages slightly better. Not much though.
I haer that kind of "box-thinking" in some people's worries that "where is Charlie?", etc. Shit, did anyone ask that when "Sympathy For The Devil" was relaesed? Or "You Can't Always Get What You Want"?
- Doxa
No but those songs were something NEW...and Doom And Gloom is eh...well, it's from McDonalds or something like that.
Was samba-rock and choir song/gospel ballads new in 1968??
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:29
Quote
Doxa
Exactly, but the issue is not having Charlie there or not, but that if the song is a good or not.
Charlie being there yes or no also hints to the Stones still being a working band yes or no. The sessions in London and NY, then in Paris, all where recieved with mixed feelings. Some said the Stones where rehearsing, others (me) where afraid the sessions where for something completely else, that there wheren't even sessions, and the especially Richards is a spent force.
This GD track isn't really a showcase of the Stones as a 'working' band, as it sounds very much like a Jagger solo track, or a left-over from ABB, and if Charlie and Richards are present on the recording it is very minimal. Wood's parts could be Wood, but it also could be any session player.
Mathijs
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Dreamer
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:32
The way they did it? Oh yes!
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
Rip This
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:34
what's great about this tune is that finally...after so many tepid...even shlockey tunes... you want to just get up and boogey....and that's what the Stones are about....they make you want to get up and dance...good for them!
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
gotdablouse
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:37
Yeah, it's at least better, as in being a tad more "spontaneous", than most of ABB, except for "Rain Fall Down" and LIND...which isn't saying much of course.Quote
Doxa
I meant "authenticity" in their sound and style - sounding like what people think they should sound like on order to sound like 'authentic' or 'classic' Stones. A BIGGER BANG is full of that: like pointing out the very distinguished parts - type of songs, Keith's riffs, Jagger's vocals, Charlie's drums, and yaeh a bit of Ronnie's slide - that everyone can clearly hear that is teh 'authentic' Stones style. The result is a huge pastishe bag of cliches without any spark of creativity or inspiration. This new song manages slightly better. Not much though.- Doxa
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
ChefGuevara
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:39
Quote
Posted by: Doxa () Date: October 11, 2012 14:09 Well, unfortunately same here... After the first thrill and some repeated listenings in trying to make sense out of it, of its different tracks, parts, arrangements, ideas, etc. the cruel fact seems to remain that the song itself lacks substance. Sounds strangely thin and artificial. Through the motions. But I will give it time to see if it grows on me or not. - Doxa
Kind of like the Gorilla cover? Lacking substance, fat and artificial.
Re: "Doom And Gloom" Will Be Released This THURSDAY
Posted by:
ROPENI
()
Date: October 11, 2012 14:41
If this is the best they could come up with after 7 years,there is not much hope,just an ok song,the type that Mick can come up with his eyes closed,very average and it will be forgetten in a couple of days,but for those here that are goin gaga over it,great for you.."No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"
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