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Gazza
My analysis :
Ronnie looks to be in discomfort as he has been 'caught short' and the door behind him is the Gents toilet.
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Midnight Toker
No new. The worlds largest can of WD 40 can't remove all of the rust from these guys.
Forget a tour and open the vaults.
Wouldn't you have to agree that superdeluxe versions of GYYYO, Exile, Some Girls and the releases of 6 classic concerts as downloads, a new 50th Anniversary documentary and a slew of 50th Anniversary books...all in the last 2-3 years would constitute 'opening the vaults'?
What do they have to do to please you?
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mandrax1972
we have heard nothing of this so-called Jam in London in December. If they were rocking, someone would have leaked something. the silence is deafening.
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sweetcharmedlifeWe've heard a lot about it. Just do a search on here. The silence is non existent.Quote
mandrax1972
we have heard nothing of this so-called Jam in London in December. If they were rocking, someone would have leaked something. the silence is deafening.
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Justin
You guys will have to speak up...the silence is deafening.
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Justin
Better?
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Justin
Better?
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Gazza
"Backstreet's back - alright!"
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superrevvy
When Keith states
"we're not ready", what he means is, he's not ready. The other three have
made it obvious that they have been ready all along.
From my point of view however (more cynical), Mick (and Charlie) have sensed
all along that Keith is probably never gonna get it together enough on his own
to do a respectable Winos tour, so that these hoops that have been set up
for Keith, and that he is being held accountable for, most probably constitute
the end of the Stones as a touring unit."
a very good set of points about the tour problems and future of the band.
" now I think, besides eroding the Stones legacy, is holding up (Rod and
Ronnie and) the Faces"
which may explain Mick and Ronnie's recent meeting
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-10 13:05 by rogue.
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marquess
So?
no Tour, or even not a single celebrating special show...??
:-(
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marquess
So?
no Tour, or even not a single celebrating special show...??
:-(
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superrevvy
I think there exists a way to bridge the gap between the semi-official line
around here (that a Stones tour was "planned" for mid-2012 and now has
simply been postponed til 2013) and the line pushed by me (that no Stones
tour for the 50th has as yet been under serious consideration.)
I think since at least 2009 Jagger has set up a series of hoops that Keith
must jump through in order for Jagger to agree to tour, hoops that Keith has
agreed to. This would not be ususual, since Jagger set up similar hoops
before the Bigger Bang tour and other Vegas-era tours, which Keith also
agreed to. These hoops have to do with Keith's drinking and productivity,
both in the studio and onstage. And what has inevitably happened before
is that Keith has made a half-hearted attempt to live up to his commitments
before the tour paperwork was signed, and basically no attempt whatsoever
once it was signed.
But this time round Jagger is not going anywhere near the paperwork until
at least two things happen, that Keith agreed to long ago: 1) Keith writes a
lot of new material for the Stones, and 2) Keith puts out a Winos/solo album
and successfully tours behind it, thus assuring the moneymen and the media
and the fans that he still has the power and passion for rock and roll, and that
the 50th thing is not just a cash-in.
So in this sense, all the leaked reports around here have been true. There
has been a series of agreements-in-principle to tour, but the continuing problem
is that Keith is just not living up to his end of the bargain. When Keith states
"we're not ready", what he means is, he's not ready. The other three have
made it obvious that they have been ready all along.
From my point of view however (more cynical), Mick (and Charlie) have sensed
all along that Keith is probably never gonna get it together enough on his own
to do a respectable Winos tour, so that these hoops that have been set up
for Keith, and that he is being held accountable for, most probably constitute
the end of the Stones as a touring unit. Especially since the kind of tour
being offered to Keith by Mick keeps getting smaller as Keith misses
deadline after deadline.
If you're an optimist, you can still look for Keith to somehow finally surprise to
the upside, in terms of creativity and performance chops, which would bring
the Stones back to Life. Otherwise, my position is that, if Keith can't or won't
keep his commitments, then it would best for him to retire, because all he's
doing now I think, besides eroding the Stones legacy, is holding up (Rod and
Ronnie and) the Faces as well as SuperHeavy.
P.S. A great commercial move by the Faces would be to have Mick Taylor
join them. That way they would be assured of inheriting a lot more of the
Stones fanbase, and the Faces could them legitimately include a few Stones
songs into their setlists.
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rogue
I am waiting for the press release that pushes the tour back another year or so to commemorate Satisfaction. Then another few years to mark the release of Honky Tonk, then JJF, then Brown Sugar, then Exile, and so on and so on.
It's all smoke a mirrors for the press while the vaults continue to release gems and promote the image of the past.
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rogue
I am waiting for the press release that pushes the tour back another year or so to commemorate Satisfaction. Then another few years to mark the release of Honky Tonk, then JJF, then Brown Sugar, then Exile, and so on and so on.
It's all smoke a mirrors for the press while the vaults continue to release gems and promote the image of the past.
Everyone knows the REAL 50th anniversary is 1975, when Ronnie joined. Or was that 1976?
2025 here we come! (or 2026)
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rogue
I am waiting for the press release that pushes the tour back another year or so to commemorate Satisfaction. Then another few years to mark the release of Honky Tonk, then JJF, then Brown Sugar, then Exile, and so on and so on.
It's all smoke a mirrors for the press while the vaults continue to release gems and promote the image of the past.
Everyone knows the REAL 50th anniversary is 1975, when Ronnie joined. Or was that 1976?
2025 here we come! (or 2026)
(I wrote the following on another thread, but it really belongs on this one: )
When Mick said last year "I think by the end of 2012 people will be quite
sick of the Rolling Stones", everybody assumed that he meant people would be
sick of the Stones because of how much they would be doing as a group...
But what he actually meant was, people will be sick of the Stones because of
how little they would be doing as a group.
(And with rogue's and treacle's comments above, among many others, you
can see its already happening.)