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I agree Doxa. I really dont think anybody other than Ron Wood could have done the job. Wood has the right personality, no ego, looked like Keith etc, was into the same roots, was into booze and pills and powders and was from London. Clapton, Beck, Gallagher, all over talented for the job and succesful performers in their own right. There was no way they would have taken on an American at that time.
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crumbling_mice
Nothing we really don't know or haven't discussed at length, but this is from Bill Wyman and Bob Geldof
[uk.omg.yahoo.com]
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crumbling_mice
Nothing we really don't know or haven't discussed at length, but this is from Bill Wyman and Bob Geldof
[uk.omg.yahoo.com]
He was 'considered' to the extent where he auditioned.
Nothing more than that. The Wyman quotes are basically selective rehashes of his recent Uncut interview where he basically dismissed Rory as never being a serious contender.
Theres some serious myths about his audition which have elevated the story to the extent where if you believed some people he was offered the job and turned it down.
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crumbling_mice
I agree Doxa. I really dont think anybody other than Ron Wood could have done the job. Wood has the right personality, no ego, looked like Keith etc, was into the same roots, was into booze and pills and powders and was from London. Clapton, Beck, Gallagher, all over talented for the job and succesful performers in their own right. There was no way they would have taken on an American at that time.
An American? Eh?
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crumbling_mice
Nothing we really don't know or haven't discussed at length, but this is from Bill Wyman and Bob Geldof
[uk.omg.yahoo.com]
He was 'considered' to the extent where he auditioned.
Nothing more than that. The Wyman quotes are basically selective rehashes of his recent Uncut interview where he basically dismissed Rory as never being a serious contender.
Theres some serious myths about his audition which have elevated the story to the extent where if you believed some people he was offered the job and turned it down.
Somebody must have liked him, to audition for the Stones implies that he was invited not that he read about the opening in a trade magazine and just showed up at the door.
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crumbling_mice
Sorry, wasn't meant to offend - what I meant was I don't think they would have considered and American guitarist as a serious replacement. Nothing to do with abilities more about keeping it an all English affair. Common shared roots an all that
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what I meant was I don't think they would have considered and Irish guitarist as a serious replacement.
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crumbling_mice
Sorry, wasn't meant to offend - what I meant was I don't think they would have considered and American guitarist as a serious replacement. Nothing to do with abilities more about keeping it an all English affair. Common shared roots an all that
Right, but none of these people mentioned, Clapton, Beck, Gallagher from Ireland are American. No offense taken.
Rory Gallagher is American? Now, that's a laugher.
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Former Rolling Stones star Bill Wyman has confirmed a longtime rock 'n' roll myth - tragic Irish blues great Rory Gallagher almost grabbed the spot that was to become Ronnie Wood's in the band.
The bassist reveals Mick Jagger and Keith Richards flew Gallagher out to Holland to rehearse with the Stones after Mick Taylor quit the group suddenly at the end of 1974, and they seriously considered adding him to the line-up.
Interviewed for a new documentary about Gallagher, Wyman says, "Rory stayed two or three days there and played some nice stuff. We had a good time with him, but I think Mick and Keith felt that he wasn't the kind of character that would have fit.
"If he'd have been in the Stones, he wouldn't have been singing and that was one of his strong points. He would have just been playing (guitar) solos... and learning to be subservient to two big egos. I don't think it would have worked."
And Gallagher's friend Bob Geldof agrees. Also appearing in the film, Ghost Blues, the Boomtown Rats star adds, "He could never have put up with the b**locks of Mick and Keith, never in a thousand years... Up against Mick and Keith, he would have shot himself."
Gallagher died of complications from a liver transplant in 1995, aged 47.
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crumbling_mice
Sorry, wasn't meant to offend - what I meant was I don't think they would have considered and American guitarist as a serious replacement. Nothing to do with abilities more about keeping it an all English affair. Common shared roots an all that
Right, but none of these people mentioned, Clapton, Beck, Gallagher from Ireland are American. No offense taken.
Rory Gallagher is American? Wow, learn something new every day.
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Gazza
Thats not what he said.
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Gazza
No..I think the 'keeping it an English band' thing was an issue, but the quote didnt state that Gallagher was an American. I think a missing comma or hyphen or so led to it being misinterpreted.
Should have read :
"Right, but none of these people mentioned - Clapton, Beck, Gallagher from Ireland - are American".
Darryl Jones was never going to replace Wyman because there was no way, three decades into their career, they were going to divide the pie into five pieces when they could continue as a four-piece. Too much money to lose.
Additionally, Ronnie had just become a full band member. He signed the Virgin contract and Bill didnt. If anything, when it came to a business move, Ronnie sort of replaced Bill Wyman and Darryl replaced Ronnie in terms of being a new 'salaried employee'.
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No..I think the 'keeping it an English band' thing was an issue, but the quote didnt state that Gallagher was an American. I think a missing comma or hyphen or so led to it being misinterpreted.
Should have read :
"Right, but none of these people mentioned - Clapton, Beck, Gallagher from Ireland - are American".
Darryl Jones was never going to replace Wyman because there was no way, three decades into their career, they were going to divide the pie into five pieces when they could continue as a four-piece. Too much money to lose.
Additionally, Ronnie had just become a full band member. He signed the Virgin contract and Bill didnt. If anything, when it came to a business move, Ronnie sort of replaced Bill Wyman and Darryl replaced Ronnie in terms of being a new 'salaried employee'.
I'll drop it but these are excuses, yeah, good historic information, if this has NOT been discussed, you sure could put it in this light. It may not be malicious, but all the same, there are some people that can be on the end of these remarks in turn. It's a lot more than saying "To keep it an English affair",
"Rory Gallagher a band member? Are the Stones going to hire an American?
What is the difference if one said:
"Darryl Jones a band member? Are the Stones going to hire a Chinese bass player?
Would he fit in? One could say the Stones need to keep it a "London affair", an "English affair" but it is clear you could also insinuate other things, religion, skin colour, sure, national origin, sexual orientation, those are often the rights that are protected of people along with disability or being phyically/mentally challenged. Slippery slope, I mean no malice, it didn't come out right. I'm not sensitive, likewise, I spoke up.
But in the end, it is just as bad as the old joke that goes in talking about these blues players in the '60s "those white boys wanted to play the blues bad and that's how they played them, badly", I don't know if you have heard that, but I likewise, don't agree with that, can find it to be offence too and is not funny either.
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Watermelon smashing would have been an interesting addition to the concert.
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Gazza
No..I think the 'keeping it an English band' thing was an issue, but the quote didnt state that Gallagher was an American. I think a missing comma or hyphen or so led to it being misinterpreted.
Should have read :
"Right, but none of these people mentioned - Clapton, Beck, Gallagher from Ireland - are American".
Darryl Jones was never going to replace Wyman because there was no way, three decades into their career, they were going to divide the pie into five pieces when they could continue as a four-piece. Too much money to lose.
Additionally, Ronnie had just become a full band member. He signed the Virgin contract and Bill didnt. If anything, when it came to a business move, Ronnie sort of replaced Bill Wyman and Darryl replaced Ronnie in terms of being a new 'salaried employee'.
I'll drop it but these are excuses, yeah, good historic information, if this has NOT been discussed, you sure could put it in this light. It may not be malicious, but all the same, there are some people that can be on the end of these remarks in turn. It's a lot more than saying "To keep it an English affair",
"Rory Gallagher a band member? Are the Stones going to hire an American?
What is the difference if one said:
"Darryl Jones a band member? Are the Stones going to hire a Chinese bass player?
Would he fit in? One could say the Stones need to keep it a "London affair", an "English affair" but it is clear you could also insinuate other things, religion, skin colour, sure, national origin, sexual orientation, those are often the rights that are protected of people along with disability or being phyically/mentally challenged. Slippery slope, I mean no malice, it didn't come out right. I'm not sensitive, likewise, I spoke up.
But in the end, it is just as bad as the old joke that goes in talking about these blues players in the '60s "those white boys wanted to play the blues bad and that's how they played them, badly", I don't know if you have heard that, but I likewise, don't agree with that, can find it to be offence too and is not funny either.
If you have a problem with this issue I think you should address your criticism to Keith Richards. It was him - or someone else from the band, but my memory says it was Keith - who said at the time that the reason why Harvey Mandel - or Wayne Perkins - were not qualified was that they were not British, since the band is an English one. I think that is the original source that is referred and meant here.
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"I agree Doxa. I really dont think anybody other than Ron Wood could have done the job. Wood has the right personality, no ego, looked like Keith etc, was into the same roots, was into booze and pills and powders and was from London. Clapton, Beck, Gallagher, all over talented for the job and succesful performers in their own right. There was no way they would have taken on an American at that time.
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Additionally, Ronnie had just become a full band member. He signed the Virgin contract and Bill didnt. If anything, when it came to a business move, Ronnie sort of replaced Bill Wyman and Darryl replaced Ronnie in terms of being a new 'salaried employee'.
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For a long time the story of Rory Gallagher almost being a member of The Rolling Stones did the rounds. At the end of 1974, Mick Taylor left the band and Keith and Mick had to look for a replacement. "In January 1975, I got a phone call from The Stones management wondering if Rory might be interested, because Mick saw a lot in Rory. That was the case and of course it also made my mouth water. The auditions took place in The Hague, in The Netherlands. Rory went there on his own, and to this day I regret that. He was put up in a hotel, jammed a bit with the band, but no decision was forthcoming. Even then The Rolling Stones were an unassailable mega act and could have everything they wanted and keep everybody waiting. Rory on the other hand had a tour of Japan in his agenda and those dates kept getting closer. The Stones’ management knew that, but probably thought that Rory would cancel it. However they didn't count on Rory’s stubbornness, as well as his loyalty to his fans. He kept waiting to the end, but finally packed his bags and left a note at the reception: "If you still want me then I will hear from you" and he left for Japan. If I had been there I would have tied him to his chair if I had to. I wonder sometimes: what would have become of him if he had become a member. Would he be alive still? There was never any word from The Stones. They were probably offended to death by his perceived impertinence." - [www.roryon.com]
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A Stones spokesman commented: "They are not in any hurry to find a permanent replacement for Mick Taylor, and they intend to use various guest guitarists on the new album." NME understands that ex-Mountain stalwart Leslie West may be another guest to be featured. Jimmy Page and Ron Wood have already contributed to individual tracks. - [www.roryon.com]