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she just played here in Sarasota...i didn't go but the show was apparently fantastic.
Jagger was only on keys for Far AWay Eyes. In the film the amplification for the grand piano cuts out (you can see Ian McLagan kid of futz with it) and then Jagger moves to the Wurlitzer. I also didn't know Wood sang backups on Far AWay Eyes on that tour. He had a microphone on him. However, at the first Anaheim show guest piano player Nicky Hopkins did get a solo (sort of) on Love In Vain.
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It seems that you're not the only one.
I've read some comments about the same thing .
I understand people's reactions to that,and that's fine, but good grief -- where have these offended been for the last 50 years? Do they see nothing feminine about the way he was in'66 or '69 or '73 or '76? Much of his fame was built on his androgyny during those years, and much of his showmanship, too. I am confused that anyone should suddenly notice it...
So Jagger fully succeeded.
Mathijs
Yeah, it's as if some Stones fans have suddenly and magically become Rush Limbaughian. Do they not know how Mick Jagger has been in the past? They're offended? That's just too funny.
Funny? No, what's funny is how a some people overlook things just because it's Mick Jagger or some other celeb. We all know Mick's history, but that doesn't mean I want to see a man, let alone one of my rock heroes, rubbing another man's crotch. Haven't had to see that over the past 30-years of touring. If that's the sort of thing you're into, that's what bands like Frankie Goes To Hollywood are for. And making an association to Rush Limbaugh is a pretty obtuse statement.
Didn't mean to start any hating. It's really ok, I think, that we don't all see this the same way...
It's only Rock and Roll. WOW, that bothered you ?
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Ronnie got back at Mick. Did you see Ronnie almost getting his foot up Mick's ass?
twice ronnie offered mick a hit of his cig; twice he was turned down. the one time mick did take ronnie's cig, he tossed it on the ground and stomped on it. for those who don't believe these two cats don't hate each other now, i don't know what other evidence you are looking for...
Very strange dynamics in this band.
Innocent/playful or not I don't think Mick would have been doing some of those things if it had been Mick Taylor on the stage instead of Ronnie.
Not on the stage perhaps.
Ehh,
Bothered? Jagger was coked to the gills on this tour and 81 - the excessive fondling is kind of weird, but offensive?
Thank you.
Of course it was over the top to use Rush. It was a point of absurdity! Then again the PC age has made people way more, I dunno, uptight. Or to use StonesTod's saying, "or something". What Mick did is funny. It is. If yer not comfortable with it then that's your deal, which I understand, but it doesn't change the context of it. I have no problem with it. It's not "offensive" or "shocking" by any means. Perhaps knowing that's how Mick used to be plays into it a bit, the reputation, as William said.
Didn't know about Bill O'Reilly though. That's funny. And spot on, yes. Of course he would be 'shocked' - he's such a straight arrow of a person. He's a barometer of how we should all feel.
Why is Mick Jagger considered a hero to you? I hate to say it but you should've known perhaps. I suppose that means you won't be getting the DVD then.
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Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
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Date: October 20, 2011 02:52
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I should also mention Dolly Parton was playing last night in Ft. Lauderdale & wanted to hear/see her, but forgot it was the same night as the Stones concert film. Hopefully there is a next time.
she just played here in Sarasota...i didn't go but the show was apparently fantastic.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
sarahunwin
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Date: October 20, 2011 02:59
It my little town of Mill Valley, CA there were only about 20 people in my small local theater so I got to stand up and dance at the back and rock out! Thought the show was AWESOME! At that time I had only seen the Stones once at Knebworth and my next show was in '82 at Candelstick - from then on I was hooked.
However, I'm surprised that no-one has expressed pain at the fact that Mick in his interview prior to the concert was all "Botoxed out". What happened to those wonderful expressive lines on his face???? Please Mick let the Botox lapse!! And rock on, of course
However, I'm surprised that no-one has expressed pain at the fact that Mick in his interview prior to the concert was all "Botoxed out". What happened to those wonderful expressive lines on his face???? Please Mick let the Botox lapse!! And rock on, of course
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
texas fan
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Date: October 20, 2011 03:11
Just a couple more things...
The sound was good in my theater, Tod, just not loud enough and somehwat different from HG, as I said above.
As to Love in Vain and "Taylor owning this song," I do not dissent. I think, though, that this version, in which the band jointly owned the song, was quite powerful.
Finally,while I agree with the majority opinion that the band was great, especially compared to recent years, I have to say I was especially blown away by Mick. He was was so engaged and committed compared to everything that has followed --bleeping fantastic --
The sound was good in my theater, Tod, just not loud enough and somehwat different from HG, as I said above.
As to Love in Vain and "Taylor owning this song," I do not dissent. I think, though, that this version, in which the band jointly owned the song, was quite powerful.
Finally,while I agree with the majority opinion that the band was great, especially compared to recent years, I have to say I was especially blown away by Mick. He was was so engaged and committed compared to everything that has followed --bleeping fantastic --
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
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atip
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Date: October 20, 2011 05:29
I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
frankotero
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Date: October 20, 2011 07:38
At least he didn't lick his lips, like on Saturday Night Live, ha-ha.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
nanker25
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Date: October 20, 2011 08:56
freshen my memory, please.
I saw the final stop on the 1978 tour (Mick's 35th birthday) July 26, Oakland, and recall only Ian McLagan on keyboard, He's also the only keyboard player introduced on the 6-14-78 bootleg from Passaic, N.J.
But Ian Stewart was clearly at Fort Worth. Was Stew on the rest of the tour? Some dates.
Also, I recall Mick on concert grand for Love In Vain in Oakland. Am I right?
Yet he is not on keyboard of Fort Worth.
I saw the final stop on the 1978 tour (Mick's 35th birthday) July 26, Oakland, and recall only Ian McLagan on keyboard, He's also the only keyboard player introduced on the 6-14-78 bootleg from Passaic, N.J.
But Ian Stewart was clearly at Fort Worth. Was Stew on the rest of the tour? Some dates.
Also, I recall Mick on concert grand for Love In Vain in Oakland. Am I right?
Yet he is not on keyboard of Fort Worth.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
tomk
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Date: October 20, 2011 09:22
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nanker25
freshen my memory, please.
I saw the final stop on the 1978 tour (Mick's 35th birthday) July 26, Oakland, and recall only Ian McLagan on keyboard, He's also the only keyboard player introduced on the 6-14-78 bootleg from Passaic, N.J.
But Ian Stewart was clearly at Fort Worth. Was Stew on the rest of the tour? Some dates.
Also, I recall Mick on concert grand for Love In Vain in Oakland. Am I right?
Yet he is not on keyboard of Fort Worth.
Jagger was only on keys for Far AWay Eyes. In the film the amplification for the grand piano cuts out (you can see Ian McLagan kid of futz with it) and then Jagger moves to the Wurlitzer. I also didn't know Wood sang backups on Far AWay Eyes on that tour. He had a microphone on him. However, at the first Anaheim show guest piano player Nicky Hopkins did get a solo (sort of) on Love In Vain.
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Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
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Date: October 20, 2011 10:51
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I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
It seems that you're not the only one.
I've read some comments about the same thing .
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
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Date: October 20, 2011 15:08
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I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
It seems that you're not the only one.
I've read some comments about the same thing .
I understand people's reactions to that,and that's fine, but good grief -- where have these offended been for the last 50 years? Do they see nothing feminine about the way he was in'66 or '69 or '73 or '76? Much of his fame was built on his androgyny during those years, and much of his showmanship, too. I am confused that anyone should suddenly notice it...
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
StonesTod
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Date: October 20, 2011 16:57
gonna see mac tonight...wonder if he made it out to one of the theaters the other night...i'll ask him.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
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Date: October 20, 2011 17:31
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atip
I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
So Jagger fully succeeded.
Mathijs
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
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Date: October 20, 2011 17:34
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I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
It seems that you're not the only one.
I've read some comments about the same thing .
I understand people's reactions to that,and that's fine, but good grief -- where have these offended been for the last 50 years? Do they see nothing feminine about the way he was in'66 or '69 or '73 or '76? Much of his fame was built on his androgyny during those years, and much of his showmanship, too. I am confused that anyone should suddenly notice it...
Yeah, it's as if some Stones fans have suddenly and magically become Rush Limbaughian. Do they not know how Mick Jagger has been in the past? They're offended? That's just too funny.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
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Date: October 20, 2011 17:36
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atip
I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
So Jagger fully succeeded.
Mathijs
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
atip
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Date: October 20, 2011 18:47
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I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
It seems that you're not the only one.
I've read some comments about the same thing .
I understand people's reactions to that,and that's fine, but good grief -- where have these offended been for the last 50 years? Do they see nothing feminine about the way he was in'66 or '69 or '73 or '76? Much of his fame was built on his androgyny during those years, and much of his showmanship, too. I am confused that anyone should suddenly notice it...
Yeah, it's as if some Stones fans have suddenly and magically become Rush Limbaughian. Do they not know how Mick Jagger has been in the past? They're offended? That's just too funny.
Funny? No, what's funny is how a some people overlook things just because it's Mick Jagger or some other celeb. We all know Mick's history, but that doesn't mean I want to see a man, let alone one of my rock heroes, rubbing another man's crotch. Haven't had to see that over the past 30-years of touring. If that's the sort of thing you're into, that's what bands like Frankie Goes To Hollywood are for. And making an association to Rush Limbaugh is a pretty obtuse statement.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
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Date: October 20, 2011 19:26
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I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
It seems that you're not the only one.
I've read some comments about the same thing .
I understand people's reactions to that,and that's fine, but good grief -- where have these offended been for the last 50 years? Do they see nothing feminine about the way he was in'66 or '69 or '73 or '76? Much of his fame was built on his androgyny during those years, and much of his showmanship, too. I am confused that anyone should suddenly notice it...
Yeah, it's as if some Stones fans have suddenly and magically become Rush Limbaughian. Do they not know how Mick Jagger has been in the past? They're offended? That's just too funny.
Funny? No, what's funny is how a some people overlook things just because it's Mick Jagger or some other celeb. We all know Mick's history, but that doesn't mean I want to see a man, let alone one of my rock heroes, rubbing another man's crotch. Haven't had to see that over the past 30-years of touring. If that's the sort of thing you're into, that's what bands like Frankie Goes To Hollywood are for. And making an association to Rush Limbaugh is a pretty obtuse statement.
Didn't mean to start any hating. It's really ok, I think, that we don't all see this the same way...
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
Sipuncula
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Date: October 20, 2011 19:47
I didn't get the chance to see the screening the other day, but a friend of mine did, at my encouragement from things I've read here, and he is very happy to have done so.
He did mention that Jagger didn't appear to have watched the performance before he did the recent interview. Why? I think he could re-learn a thing or two about what a fired-up band can do. However, Keith watched Shine a Light and apparently didn't see anything wrong with his performance, so, who knows?
He did mention that Jagger didn't appear to have watched the performance before he did the recent interview. Why? I think he could re-learn a thing or two about what a fired-up band can do. However, Keith watched Shine a Light and apparently didn't see anything wrong with his performance, so, who knows?
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
custom55
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Date: October 20, 2011 20:25
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atip
I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
It's only Rock and Roll. WOW, that bothered you ?
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Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
Edith Grove
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Date: October 20, 2011 21:26
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atip
I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
Ronnie got back at Mick. Did you see Ronnie almost getting his foot up Mick's ass?
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
StonesTod
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Date: October 20, 2011 21:46
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atip
I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
Ronnie got back at Mick. Did you see Ronnie almost getting his foot up Mick's ass?
twice ronnie offered mick a hit of his cig; twice he was turned down. the one time mick did take ronnie's cig, he tossed it on the ground and stomped on it. for those who don't believe these two cats don't hate each other now, i don't know what other evidence you are looking for...
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
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Date: October 20, 2011 23:22
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atip
I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
Ronnie got back at Mick. Did you see Ronnie almost getting his foot up Mick's ass?
twice ronnie offered mick a hit of his cig; twice he was turned down. the one time mick did take ronnie's cig, he tossed it on the ground and stomped on it. for those who don't believe these two cats don't hate each other now, i don't know what other evidence you are looking for...
Very strange dynamics in this band.
Innocent/playful or not I don't think Mick would have been doing some of those things if it had been Mick Taylor on the stage instead of Ronnie.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
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Date: October 20, 2011 23:34
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Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
WilliamPatrickMaynard
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Date: October 21, 2011 00:37
Think about it, it's the tour for the album with "When the Whip Comes Down" so yes, as on SNL that same year, Mick turned up the gay stuff deliberately.
And no sooner do some of us get their (pardon the expression) head around that than someone mentions Taylor would never have been treated that way which is the perfect segue for the individual here who likes to claim Taylor left the band because Jagger tried to do him. And in no time at all, the Some Girls concert film thread will become another Taylor thread devoted to something other than the man's talents on guitar.
Back to DragonSky's point about Limbaugh, I think a better comparison would have been Bill O'Reilly who claimed to be a huge Stones fan, had Wyman on his show, and then proceeded to talk about how he was "shocked...shocked" by what bad people they were after reading OLD GODS ALMOST DEAD. A Stones fan O'Reilly's age should certainly have been aware of their reputation which made his claims of outrage rather disingenuous. If you'll allow me to speak for my old pal DragonSky, I think that's all he was getting at.
I understand not everyone has watched every video on Youtube or has all the bootlegs and (if they're only familiar with 1981-2001) might not think of Jagger acting that way. Although he's playing with himself throughout LET'S SPEND THE NIGHT TOGETHER as well so, um, get used to it. Mick used to be quite deliberately offensive in ways other than perpetrating bad rhymes and demonstrating an over-reliance on cliches.
And no sooner do some of us get their (pardon the expression) head around that than someone mentions Taylor would never have been treated that way which is the perfect segue for the individual here who likes to claim Taylor left the band because Jagger tried to do him. And in no time at all, the Some Girls concert film thread will become another Taylor thread devoted to something other than the man's talents on guitar.
Back to DragonSky's point about Limbaugh, I think a better comparison would have been Bill O'Reilly who claimed to be a huge Stones fan, had Wyman on his show, and then proceeded to talk about how he was "shocked...shocked" by what bad people they were after reading OLD GODS ALMOST DEAD. A Stones fan O'Reilly's age should certainly have been aware of their reputation which made his claims of outrage rather disingenuous. If you'll allow me to speak for my old pal DragonSky, I think that's all he was getting at.
I understand not everyone has watched every video on Youtube or has all the bootlegs and (if they're only familiar with 1981-2001) might not think of Jagger acting that way. Although he's playing with himself throughout LET'S SPEND THE NIGHT TOGETHER as well so, um, get used to it. Mick used to be quite deliberately offensive in ways other than perpetrating bad rhymes and demonstrating an over-reliance on cliches.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
TeddyB1018
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Date: October 21, 2011 01:34
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atip
I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
Ronnie got back at Mick. Did you see Ronnie almost getting his foot up Mick's ass?
twice ronnie offered mick a hit of his cig; twice he was turned down. the one time mick did take ronnie's cig, he tossed it on the ground and stomped on it. for those who don't believe these two cats don't hate each other now, i don't know what other evidence you are looking for...
Very strange dynamics in this band.
Innocent/playful or not I don't think Mick would have been doing some of those things if it had been Mick Taylor on the stage instead of Ronnie.
Not on the stage perhaps.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: October 21, 2011 01:39
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atip
I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
Ehh,
Bothered? Jagger was coked to the gills on this tour and 81 - the excessive fondling is kind of weird, but offensive?
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
atip
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Date: October 21, 2011 01:56
Eh, no worries, texas fan, but calling someone Rush Limbaugh is a little strong. 
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
doster
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Date: October 21, 2011 04:15
I was blown away. Didn't expect much actually. Not my favorite live era, but man they rocked that night.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
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Date: October 21, 2011 07:20
Their's nothing else to do in WC except walk around and look fab.Quote
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Stones62A valid point To. In Redwood City there were perhaps 20 people in attendance but when I spoke to mcparty in Walnut Creek after the flick he told there about 100, most of whom were clapping and wooping it up during the screening. Walnut Creek must be Stones' country...Quote
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filstan
Last question. Why not more dates in USA theaters for this gem?
a serious question? did you happen to notice how few of your fellow rabid stones fans were there last night?
still...not reason enough to move from rc to wc...
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
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Date: October 21, 2011 08:17
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I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
So Jagger fully succeeded.
Mathijs
Thank you.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
DragonSky
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Date: October 21, 2011 18:49
Quote
WilliamPatrickMaynard
Think about it, it's the tour for the album with "When the Whip Comes Down" so yes, as on SNL that same year, Mick turned up the gay stuff deliberately.
And no sooner do some of us get their (pardon the expression) head around that than someone mentions Taylor would never have been treated that way which is the perfect segue for the individual here who likes to claim Taylor left the band because Jagger tried to do him. And in no time at all, the Some Girls concert film thread will become another Taylor thread devoted to something other than the man's talents on guitar.
Back to DragonSky's point about Limbaugh, I think a better comparison would have been Bill O'Reilly who claimed to be a huge Stones fan, had Wyman on his show, and then proceeded to talk about how he was "shocked...shocked" by what bad people they were after reading OLD GODS ALMOST DEAD. A Stones fan O'Reilly's age should certainly have been aware of their reputation which made his claims of outrage rather disingenuous. If you'll allow me to speak for my old pal DragonSky, I think that's all he was getting at.
I understand not everyone has watched every video on Youtube or has all the bootlegs and (if they're only familiar with 1981-2001) might not think of Jagger acting that way. Although he's playing with himself throughout LET'S SPEND THE NIGHT TOGETHER as well so, um, get used to it. Mick used to be quite deliberately offensive in ways other than perpetrating bad rhymes and demonstrating an over-reliance on cliches.
Of course it was over the top to use Rush. It was a point of absurdity! Then again the PC age has made people way more, I dunno, uptight. Or to use StonesTod's saying, "or something". What Mick did is funny. It is. If yer not comfortable with it then that's your deal, which I understand, but it doesn't change the context of it. I have no problem with it. It's not "offensive" or "shocking" by any means. Perhaps knowing that's how Mick used to be plays into it a bit, the reputation, as William said.
Didn't know about Bill O'Reilly though. That's funny. And spot on, yes. Of course he would be 'shocked' - he's such a straight arrow of a person. He's a barometer of how we should all feel.
Re: Live in Texas - thoughts and reviews
Posted by:
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Date: October 21, 2011 18:52
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I thought it was really good, but... am I the only one that was bothered by Mick rubbing Ronnie's crotch and making a few other effeminate gestures?
It seems that you're not the only one.
I've read some comments about the same thing .
I understand people's reactions to that,and that's fine, but good grief -- where have these offended been for the last 50 years? Do they see nothing feminine about the way he was in'66 or '69 or '73 or '76? Much of his fame was built on his androgyny during those years, and much of his showmanship, too. I am confused that anyone should suddenly notice it...
Yeah, it's as if some Stones fans have suddenly and magically become Rush Limbaughian. Do they not know how Mick Jagger has been in the past? They're offended? That's just too funny.
Funny? No, what's funny is how a some people overlook things just because it's Mick Jagger or some other celeb. We all know Mick's history, but that doesn't mean I want to see a man, let alone one of my rock heroes, rubbing another man's crotch. Haven't had to see that over the past 30-years of touring. If that's the sort of thing you're into, that's what bands like Frankie Goes To Hollywood are for. And making an association to Rush Limbaugh is a pretty obtuse statement.
Why is Mick Jagger considered a hero to you? I hate to say it but you should've known perhaps. I suppose that means you won't be getting the DVD then.
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