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I don't think Mick sounds serious on ID. At times, he sounds toungue in cheek and borderline mocking - while addressing serious subject(s).
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I don't think Mick sounds serious on ID. At times, he sounds toungue in cheek and borderline mocking - while addressing serious subject(s).
You may be right, but only to some extent. In case, that is surface. Below there is strong empathy. Empathy with realism involved.
Possibly that essence strikes me so effectively that I miss the surface. (One other song when a split between the surface and the essence below is plainly visible even to me, is "Faraway Eyes".)
That's my favorite line ... That delivery has a sharpness to it... Like he's sneering at the prospect.. sneering at the revolutionaries predictable trajectory. You're assuming Mick Jagger doesn't care about something because that's the mythology. But often it's the perfect ruse and he pulls the wool over eyes.Quote
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I don't think Mick sounds serious on ID. At times, he sounds toungue in cheek and borderline mocking - while addressing serious subject(s).
You may be right, but only to some extent. In case, that is surface. Below there is strong empathy. Empathy with realism involved.
Possibly that essence strikes me so effectively that I miss the surface. (One other song when a split between the surface and the essence below is plainly visible even to me, is "Faraway Eyes".)
There is a deeper message indeed, but the lyrics are so erratic that it's hard for the listener to take them seriously, imo.
"Fighting for Mr. Castro in the streets of Angola..."
"La la la da, la la la da"...
Mixed with Mick's attitude the (supposed) seriousness falls to the ground, imo.
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I don't think Mick sounds serious on ID. At times, he sounds toungue in cheek and borderline mocking - while addressing serious subject(s).
You may be right, but only to some extent. In case, that is surface. Below there is strong empathy. Empathy with realism involved.
Possibly that essence strikes me so effectively that I miss the surface. (One other song when a split between the surface and the essence below is plainly visible even to me, is "Faraway Eyes".)
There is a deeper message indeed, but the lyrics are so erratic that it's hard for the listener to take them seriously, imo.
"Fighting for Mr. Castro in the streets of Angola..."
"La la la da, la la la da"...
Mixed with Mick's attitude the (supposed) seriousness falls to the ground, imo.
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stupidguy2That's my favorite line ... That delivery has a sharpness to it... Like he's sneering at the prospect.. sneering at the revolutionaries predictable trajectory. You're assuming Mick Jagger doesn't care about something because that's the mythology. But often it's the perfect ruse and he pulls the wool over eyes.Quote
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I don't think Mick sounds serious on ID. At times, he sounds toungue in cheek and borderline mocking - while addressing serious subject(s).
You may be right, but only to some extent. In case, that is surface. Below there is strong empathy. Empathy with realism involved.
Possibly that essence strikes me so effectively that I miss the surface. (One other song when a split between the surface and the essence below is plainly visible even to me, is "Faraway Eyes".)
There is a deeper message indeed, but the lyrics are so erratic that it's hard for the listener to take them seriously, imo.
"Fighting for Mr. Castro in the streets of Angola..."
"La la la da, la la la da"...
Mixed with Mick's attitude the (supposed) seriousness falls to the ground, imo.
I find his voice poignant, almost hesitant during the verses, like he's trying to commit but also trying to appear detached. That's Jagger's MO: detract from all appearances of sincerity to keep your cards close. Jagger visited Nicaragua, at the time the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, was married to a woman who was born there. The poverty, violence, misery and urgency was real - he's human, a fact he often tries to mask by putting on a veil , an affectation. Maybe the song is too real, but he realizes that for some fans, It's Only Rock and Roll, and they wouldn't care or see the deeper meanings in the song or maybe he's uncomfortable with the realness when it's easier to sing in strictly sexual contexts, So he affects a safe distance. That's what makes Jagger such a great, and elusive artist... He wants you to wonder what he's really thinking or feeling.
But the lyrics speak for themselves, and it remains his sharpest political song. Anybody who read about Central America in those days will tell you they song has meaning, many meanings. I wish all fans recognized what a prescient message this was in 1980.
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I'm with you, Stupidguy2. And you're right, it is my take on it.
I'm not saying that he didn't give a fvck, either. The thing I have a beef with is playing cool while you're singing a mediocre to poor (my opinion again) tex mex-ballad about something you may have witnessed several years ago - to address something you care about to the listener.
I know he cared, it is merely the artistic form I'm criticising.
He is taking on a different accent on SBA and Luxury, but his point and the lyrics come across like he really cares.
I think you have many good points in your post, though.
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Worst ever
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No...that would be Too Much Blood.
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stupidguy2
All of you have forgotten Anyway You Look At It.
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michaelsavage
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No...that would be Too Much Blood.
You two should give Gunface and Congratulations a few spins...
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michaelsavage
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No...that would be Too Much Blood.
You two should give Gunface and Congratulations a few spins...
I love Congratulations! Gunface, however, is the bottom of the barrel.
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Mathijs
Without a shadow of a doubt the most appalling song the Stones have ever recorded.
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Rockman
....hey ya gotta remember De Niro once did Raging Bull...and and and then later on Fockers