We should feel even more shortchanged now about the pitiful Exiles extras that were officially released last year. I think that barring these songs - Casino Boogie, Happy, Turd On The Run and Just Wanna See His Face - we have alt takes for every song on Exile.

A few of us have compiled alternate Exiles of our own but replaced the missing studio alt takes with live versions. Now the jigsaw is almost complete. I wonder what else is out there.

Does anybody think that Keith and Mick keep archives of their own or is all they have under lock and key in the official vault?



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Impossible to get any work done today; because of this thread
...at least for the next 40 minutes



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I would never discount Taylor's slide in Soul Survivor; he adds a lot already.
I am listening on PC speakers, but what is that added tracking in 3rd verse of Soul Survivor? Are those horns in left speaker? High up?

Don't think it's quite fair to qualify Taylor's slide contributions here from these tracks. They are obviously not mixed in, probably just been o/dubbed or still in process. And the track is not part of the body yet; not mixed down.
We all know what Taylor has in him as far as hooks and slide guitar melodic parts go, so if he is laying low just comping the chords it is probably by design.
I have always thought Taylor's slide licks in RTJ are fantastic. They wrap up the sax solo very well; sound like a train putting on the brakes.



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Think those are horns, yeah. You can hear them on the Keith version of Soul Survivor as well.

I agree Taylors contributions seems very rough, in a still figuring-out-overdub stage. And while it is not surprising he did these overdubs at a later stage at all, his (later omitted) fiddling around Rocks Off as well is interesting. It does explain why that solo coda always sounded so different than the rest of the band. That it faded out in a different speed. That reverb´y- gloryness.

Hearing the whole track (and other outtakes) I am constantly reminded how "less is more", and how many great choices Jimmy Miller took in making this a really timeless classic.

Thanks for this thread. It makes a lousy summer (here in Europe) shine!

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Impossible to get any work done today; because of this thread
...at least for the next 40 minutes

Know what you mean Erik. I was up at 4.30 this morning starting to compile an alternate Exile. Until now I've had to use live versions - some taken from the US 72 tour to complete the jigsaw puzzle.

Can anyone help construct, as near as possible, an alt takes studio Exile - listing the best available sources?

Most of my sources are from Got A Line On You, I Gave You The Diamonds, plus the Exile bonus tracks from last year which swells the total number of songs to over 30.

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Think those are horns, yeah. You can hear them on the Keith version of Soul Survivor as well.

I agree Taylors contributions seems very rough, in a still figuring-out-overdub stage. And while it is not surprising he did these overdubs at a later stage at all, his (later omitted) fiddling around Rocks Off as well is interesting. It does explain why that solo coda always sounded so different than the rest of the band. That it faded out in a different speed. That reverb´y- gloryness.

Hearing the whole track (and other outtakes) I am constantly reminded how "less is more", and how many great choices Jimmy Miller took in making this a really timeless classic.

Yeah RB. What I always find particularly brilliant by Jimmy Miller and the Twins' choices, is that they actually did not end up with "less is more". There is a LOT on each track of Exile. But it still conveys the message of 'less is more'. It is part of that credo. Brilliant.
I am so f&ckin far away from a decent set-up with speakers and computer. Has anyone put together anything resembling a complete list yet?

I really wonder who made these choices in mixing it. It could have been Miller, could have been Jagger, but it also could have been Andy Johns who finally mixed it.

I agree the Taylor overdubs are just him trying out some stuff that is obviously not working, though there some parts that made the cut. Yeah the man was a great player, but just the fact that he took risks and tried out stuff probably inspired the other players around him.

Also, makes me wonder why Nicky received just these mixes. Maybe they overdubbed on the same day in LA? I can see them bouncing ideas off each other. Didn't Nicky stay at Nellcote. I just don't see why they would make copies of these mixes there in France. Unless it was for the summer break when they all went home or something.
They could listen to their mixes in the truck. Plus we know for sure these mixes are coming through Nicky's connection.

Anyway, Nicky was the man. The way he combines elegant, subtle and downright dirty piano playing is just so cool and inspiring. The new instrumental has it all.

I have listened to all the videos, and although it's great, I have one simple question: Aren't most of what we are hearing the backing tracks that were used on the album(s), only mixed slightly different + a few edits??

Rocks Off, for instance, Taylor's out of phase guitar is a little more prominent in the mix, but it sounds like it's there on Exile, too, only lower in the mix.

Although it's great, these versions leave me a bit puzzled...

thanks for this and the great remaster post too..

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Rocks Off, for instance, Taylor's out of phase guitar is a little more prominent in the mix, but it sounds like it's there on Exile, too, only lower in the mix.

Have few answers for your questions, but what do you mean by "out of phase guitar"? Please enlighten me Phaser, or is there some recording trick?

Rb.

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Would you please be so kind to post the link to your uploaded files in the Hot Stuff
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I have listened to all the videos, and although it's great, I have one simple question: Aren't most of what we are hearing the backing tracks that were used on the album(s), only mixed slightly different + a few edits??

Rocks Off, for instance, Taylor's out of phase guitar is a little more prominent in the mix, but it sounds like it's there on Exile, too, only lower in the mix.

Although it's great, these versions leave me a bit puzzled...

What we're hearing I think is rough tapes straight out of Nellcote, just before they where finished in LA by Jagger and Richards. It seems all are live takes of the basic band plus Hopkins, with brass overdubbed. Rocks Off and Soul Survivor have overdubs by Richards as well.

On Rocks Off and RTJ most of Taylor's contributions seemed to have been swiped. It sounds like all Taylor's contributions where done live, and as he wasn't present in LA whatever was swiped wasn't done again by Taylor.

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Rocks Off, for instance, Taylor's out of phase guitar is a little more prominent in the mix, but it sounds like it's there on Exile, too, only lower in the mix.

Have few answers for your questions, but what do you mean by "out of phase guitar"? Please enlighten me Phaser, or is there some recording trick?

Rb.

The sound is phase-shifted, probably because there is something wrong with the mike on his recording track. These things happens from time to time during recording sessions. Sometimes you get a cooler sound, sometimes not

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Rocks Off, for instance, Taylor's out of phase guitar is a little more prominent in the mix, but it sounds like it's there on Exile, too, only lower in the mix.

Have few answers for your questions, but what do you mean by "out of phase guitar"? Please enlighten me Phaser, or is there some recording trick?

Rb.

The guitar of Taylor in Rocks Off and SS has an out-of-phase sound quality to it. He probably used the Gibson ES-355 for these tracks, with the Varitone in the 2nd or 3rd setting, which puts the humbuckers out of phase. He seemed to have liked this sound well, as he used it quite often.

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I have listened to all the videos, and although it's great, I have one simple question: Aren't most of what we are hearing the backing tracks that were used on the album(s), only mixed slightly different + a few edits??

Rocks Off, for instance, Taylor's out of phase guitar is a little more prominent in the mix, but it sounds like it's there on Exile, too, only lower in the mix.

Although it's great, these versions leave me a bit puzzled...

What we're hearing I think is rough tapes straight out of Nellcote, just before they where finished in LA by Jagger and Richards. It seems all are live takes of the basic band plus Hopkins, with brass overdubbed. Rocks Off and Soul Survivor have overdubs by Richards as well.

On Rocks Off and RTJ most of Taylor's contributions seemed to have been swiped. It sounds like all Taylor's contributions where done live, and as he wasn't present in LA whatever was swiped wasn't done again by Taylor.

Mathijs

Thanks!

Although Taylor's lead guitar in the ending on RO (which is faded earlier than on the album) is a different guitar track than his other track here (the "guitar track #3 you can hear right after the opening riff + in the middle and right before the ending), which is very low in the mix, but still ties Keith's two dominant rhythm guitars together in places, imo.



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I have listened to all the videos, and although it's great, I have one simple question: Aren't most of what we are hearing the backing tracks that were used on the album(s), only mixed slightly different + a few edits??

Rocks Off, for instance, Taylor's out of phase guitar is a little more prominent in the mix, but it sounds like it's there on Exile, too, only lower in the mix.

Although it's great, these versions leave me a bit puzzled...

What we're hearing I think is rough tapes straight out of Nellcote, just before they where finished in LA by Jagger and Richards. It seems all are live takes of the basic band plus Hopkins, with brass overdubbed. Rocks Off and Soul Survivor have overdubs by Richards as well.

On Rocks Off and RTJ most of Taylor's contributions seemed to have been swiped. It sounds like all Taylor's contributions where done live, and as he wasn't present in LA whatever was swiped wasn't done again by Taylor.

Mathijs

Thanks!

Although Taylor's lead guitar in the ending on RO (which is faded earlier than on the album) is a different guitar track than his other track here (the "guitar track #3 you can hear right after the opening riff + in the middle and right before the ending), which is very low in the mix, but still ties Keith's two dominant rhythm guitars together in places, imo.

Are you sure? Taylor's lead guitar at the end is in my opinion the same guitar track as the rest. I think Taylor only played one track on RO, and the rest is all Richards. Then parts of the Taylor track where edited down or swiped in the final mixing stage.

Mathijs

Btw, these recordings proof what Bill Wyman has always stated, that he played bass on more tracks. He plays indeed a first bass on Soul Survivor, RTJ and All Down the Line. Especially with ADTL it is striking that Bill Plummer's overdub closely follows Bill's bass.

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I have listened to all the videos, and although it's great, I have one simple question: Aren't most of what we are hearing the backing tracks that were used on the album(s), only mixed slightly different + a few edits??

Rocks Off, for instance, Taylor's out of phase guitar is a little more prominent in the mix, but it sounds like it's there on Exile, too, only lower in the mix.

Although it's great, these versions leave me a bit puzzled...

What we're hearing I think is rough tapes straight out of Nellcote, just before they where finished in LA by Jagger and Richards. It seems all are live takes of the basic band plus Hopkins, with brass overdubbed. Rocks Off and Soul Survivor have overdubs by Richards as well.

On Rocks Off and RTJ most of Taylor's contributions seemed to have been swiped. It sounds like all Taylor's contributions where done live, and as he wasn't present in LA whatever was swiped wasn't done again by Taylor.

Mathijs

Thanks!

Although Taylor's lead guitar in the ending on RO (which is faded earlier than on the album) is a different guitar track than his other track here (the "guitar track #3 you can hear right after the opening riff + in the middle and right before the ending), which is very low in the mix, but still ties Keith's two dominant rhythm guitars together in places, imo.

Are you sure? Taylor's lead guitar at the end is in my opinion the same guitar track as the rest. I think Taylor only played one track on RO, and the rest is all Richards. Then parts of the Taylor track where edited down or swiped in the final mixing stage.

Mathijs

To me it sounds like there is one track playing a long with fills, and in the ending the solo guitar comes in louder - and fades earlier than on the album.

I better check again.

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Impossible to get any work done today; because of this thread
...at least for the next 40 minutes

Know what you mean Erik. I was up at 4.30 this morning starting to compile an alternate Exile. Until now I've had to use live versions - some taken from the US 72 tour to complete the jigsaw puzzle.

Can anyone help construct, as near as possible, an alt takes studio Exile - listing the best available sources?

Most of my sources are from Got A Line On You, I Gave You The Diamonds, plus the Exile bonus tracks from last year which swells the total number of songs to over 30.

Hmmmm, there's a nice compilation of Exile outtakes here: [www.hungercity.org] , taken from various bootlegs in, as far as I know; best possible sources.

Concerning "I Gave You Diamonds"....well it's all in ears of the beholder; but I find that EQd bootleg to be horrible sounding....sounds so lifeless.

But I recommend that Exile-torrent, above.

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@ Munich Hilton:

Would you please be so kind to post the link to your uploaded files in the Hot Stuff
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Sure thing
I guess most people have gotten it by now though?
[www.filesonic.com]

Does anyone know if that It's Funny/Hold You Like China song was in the running for Exile or was that something Mick came up with while on tour? He's playing the piano...beautiful song.

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Impossible to get any work done today; because of this thread
...at least for the next 40 minutes

Know what you mean Erik. I was up at 4.30 this morning starting to compile an alternate Exile. Until now I've had to use live versions - some taken from the US 72 tour to complete the jigsaw puzzle.

Can anyone help construct, as near as possible, an alt takes studio Exile - listing the best available sources?

Most of my sources are from Got A Line On You, I Gave You The Diamonds, plus the Exile bonus tracks from last year which swells the total number of songs to over 30.

Hmmmm, there's a nice compilation of Exile outtakes here: [www.hungercity.org] , taken from various bootlegs in, as far as I know; best possible sources.

Concerning "I Gave You Diamonds"....well it's all in ears of the beholder; but I find that EQd bootleg to be horrible sounding....sounds so lifeless.

But I recommend that Exile-torrent, above.

I don't like doing torrent sites. Is there another way of downloading the Exile outtake stuff Erik? Has it ever appeared in Hotstuff?

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Fantastic discovery! Thanks a lot!

On a first look there are seven unheard tracks and takes among them:

Rocks Off (instrumental)
Soul Survivor (instrumental)
Shine A Light
Rip This Joint (instrumental)
I Ain't Signifying
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All Down The Line (instrumental)

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Shine a Light is to my ears not different to the version that is available since the Time Trip / Hillside Blues releases in the mid-90's. You do miss Sweet Virginia though -the version is different to anything we've heard before. This very well could be the final take from London before they took it to LA. Amazing to hear that the famous 'Nellcote villa' choir vocals seem to have been added in LA.

Mathijs

Wrong...well-known material (available in stereo)...this one you've got is a bad EQ job and a fold-down too.

I think it is an early version of "If You Really Want to be My Friend" from IORR.

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I have listened to all the videos, and although it's great, I have one simple question: Aren't most of what we are hearing the backing tracks that were used on the album(s), only mixed slightly different + a few edits??

Rocks Off, for instance, Taylor's out of phase guitar is a little more prominent in the mix, but it sounds like it's there on Exile, too, only lower in the mix.

Although it's great, these versions leave me a bit puzzled...

What we're hearing I think is rough tapes straight out of Nellcote, just before they where finished in LA by Jagger and Richards. It seems all are live takes of the basic band plus Hopkins, with brass overdubbed. Rocks Off and Soul Survivor have overdubs by Richards as well.

On Rocks Off and RTJ most of Taylor's contributions seemed to have been swiped. It sounds like all Taylor's contributions where done live, and as he wasn't present in LA whatever was swiped wasn't done again by Taylor.

Mathijs

i think these may be rough mixes from the L.A. Sessions or possibly even outfakes the timing for the fadeouts are very close to the released versions if they were from nellcote i doubt there would be any fadeouts

just great !

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I think it is an early version of "If You Really Want to be My Friend" from IORR.

I hear a bit of Winter and Till The Next Goodbye in it also.

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I really wonder who made these choices in mixing it. It could have been Miller, could have been Jagger, but it also could have been Andy Johns who finally mixed it.

I agree the Taylor overdubs are just him trying out some stuff that is obviously not working, though there some parts that made the cut. Yeah the man was a great player, but just the fact that he took risks and tried out stuff probably inspired the other players around him.

Also, makes me wonder why Nicky received just these mixes. Maybe they overdubbed on the same day in LA? I can see them bouncing ideas off each other. Didn't Nicky stay at Nellcote. I just don't see why they would make copies of these mixes there in France. Unless it was for the summer break when they all went home or something.
They could listen to their mixes in the truck. Plus we know for sure these mixes are coming through Nicky's connection.

Anyway, Nicky was the man. The way he combines elegant, subtle and downright dirty piano playing is just so cool and inspiring. The new instrumental has it all.

Since these are confirmed to come through a Nicky connection, this could also be his headphone mixes. I could imagine him wanting a lot of Taylor in his cans.
And then him asking the engineer to run him off some tapes; and for convenience sake, since they were probably for work purposes he stuck with the rough headphone mix.

Great post!

In "Travelling Man" is it really Brian Jones voice?

This rare Brian Jones vocal was recorded as part of a Nicky Hopkins And Brian Jones "Rock Opera" project called Edward, The Mad Shirt Grinder. Some of the material from this project was uses on the Jamming With Edward album .
Ian Stewart plays the Fender-Rhodes part. This session was recorded a night or two before Brain's death. When I remastered Nicky's personal music collection in 1976-1977, Nicky believed this was the last time all the original members of the Rolling Stonws played together.





Anyway I think it's too fast... Maybe it could be included in the pitch corrected work's from munichhilton and midnrambler thtat appeared today! Thanks again guys. you rock!



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