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So cool to see new stuff turning up!
I still haven't heard anything NEW here. Am I missing something. Just bad mixes from the same old master tapes is my guess. Why all the friggin excitement over this?
? Did you actually listen to it?
Mathijs
OK to be fair I'll do another listen for you Mathijis, which one is really rocking your nogalstic world today? that one will do. Rocks Off was probably the one that turned me sour. peace.
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Well any of the theories here can be deemed unlikely for several reasons. This goes back 39 years into crazy, drug fueld years,archived by people who are notoriously not into record keeping.
And the reason they are specific to Nicky is from their origin. So they all are specific to Nicky, just by ownership. Had I heard these tapes ice cold w/o that knowledge, of course I would not have said "Oh that must be a mix just for Nicky".
But since they do come from him, it is perfectl;y reasonable to see a link to him as a possibility.
I spend a LOT of time in and about recording studios; and (while nowadays it is not tapes anymore) there are constantly huge numbers of rough copies of this and that run off for people in the inner circle; who want to taKe a few trax home in any variety of mix.
I am not dismissing any theories by anyone else here; it is way more fun to assume, and determine new historic facts and links, but I am saying there are just as many very unglamorous reasons for such recordings to exist.
Nobody knew these kinds of recordings would rock our world 40 years later.
I meant more unlikely for a number of reasons regarding it being some specific to Nicky headphone mix. Nothing to do with drugs, lack of record keeping, just the technology of the time.
Whether you spend a LOT of time in a studio or not has nothing to do with this.
Tis a bunch of rough mixes, nothing more nothing less.
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As far as discounting 'drugfueled years" as something that has no bearing on Stones' history, especially 77. 72, then I don't know what to answer to that. I must have been following the wrong band.
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Argh, lets put a stop to this.
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Well any of the theories here can be deemed unlikely for several reasons. This goes back 39 years into crazy, drug fueld years,archived by people who are notoriously not into record keeping.
And the reason they are specific to Nicky is from their origin. So they all are specific to Nicky, just by ownership. Had I heard these tapes ice cold w/o that knowledge, of course I would not have said "Oh that must be a mix just for Nicky".
But since they do come from him, it is perfectl;y reasonable to see a link to him as a possibility.
I spend a LOT of time in and about recording studios; and (while nowadays it is not tapes anymore) there are constantly huge numbers of rough copies of this and that run off for people in the inner circle; who want to taKe a few trax home in any variety of mix.
I am not dismissing any theories by anyone else here; it is way more fun to assume, and determine new historic facts and links, but I am saying there are just as many very unglamorous reasons for such recordings to exist.
Nobody knew these kinds of recordings would rock our world 40 years later.
I meant more unlikely for a number of reasons regarding it being some specific to Nicky headphone mix. Nothing to do with drugs, lack of record keeping, just the technology of the time.
Whether you spend a LOT of time in a studio or not has nothing to do with this.
Tis a bunch of rough mixes, nothing more nothing less.
Come on Phillip, I knew the minute I type LOT someone was going to jump on it. You punctuate many of your posts about your research from late 60's tracks with exclamation points, making sure we know how much you have dived into it. And I treat your views with a LOT of respect. The mellotron thread alone...
Headphone mix is a term used like monitor mixes. When recording (especially in different rooms like Nellxote) they had to most likel;y depend on cans quite a bit. A mixer with aux sends would give them different levels. if Keith says "all I need to hear is myself and Charlie" then he hears that; if Nicky ,who is more in the melodic dept, say "more Taylor" etc etc. Any engineer, or helper is going to be able to know who has what setting, and if someone asks for a copy of what they had in cans then they will get it.
As far as discounting 'drugfueled years" as something that has no bearing on Stones' history, especially 77. 72, then I don't know what to answer to that. I must have been following the wrong band.
The thing is - HM, Mathijs, and many others here know all this anyway.
Half the posting here is just pissing contests.
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As far as discounting 'drugfueled years" as something that has no bearing on Stones' history, especially 77. 72, then I don't know what to answer to that. I must have been following the wrong band.
I didn't say the drugs had no bearing on stones history.
Argh, lets put a stop to this.
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peoplewitheyes
call me stoopid, or just plain dumb, but how can i download these tracks, at the filesonic.mx page, i cant work out how to get the free download? or are they up on hot stuff already?
guess that excitement is clouding my brain
thank you!
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Shame almost everything runs so fast... the Rocks Off instrumental I don't think I've heard before too?
Fantastic to be able to listen to this. There's two things really striking here -1) Taylor's guitar on the released version is only a tiny part of what he actually played. He was completely cut out of the final version of RO, except for the intro and the lead at the outro, and deservedly so in my opinion and 2) Nicky Hopkins is truly, truly instrumental to Exile. Of course we knew how important he is, but here he is as important as Jagger basically. There's two different melodies going on -Jagger's vocals (missing here) and Hopkin's piano.
And that's the same for the other outtakes here. Rip This Joint features a totally useless guitar by Taylor, largely edited out of the final version. Listening to RTJ one can understand why Richards would state that Taylor 'was not a great rhythm player' or 'great live but not in the studio'. The real king of RTJ is Hopkins, Jagger and Keys. And for Soul Survivor it is truu again -not too inspired slide by Taylor, largely edited out of the final version.
Fantastic new hook on Exile in my opinion.
Mathijs
Move on, Taylor-troll.
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call me stoopid, or just plain dumb, but how can i download these tracks, at the filesonic.mx page, i cant work out how to get the free download? or are they up on hot stuff already?
guess that excitement is clouding my brain
thank you!
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Well any of the theories here can be deemed unlikely for several reasons. This goes back 39 years into crazy, drug fueld years,archived by people who are notoriously not into record keeping.
And the reason they are specific to Nicky is from their origin. So they all are specific to Nicky, just by ownership. Had I heard these tapes ice cold w/o that knowledge, of course I would not have said "Oh that must be a mix just for Nicky".
But since they do come from him, it is perfectl;y reasonable to see a link to him as a possibility.
I spend a LOT of time in and about recording studios; and (while nowadays it is not tapes anymore) there are constantly huge numbers of rough copies of this and that run off for people in the inner circle; who want to taKe a few trax home in any variety of mix.
I am not dismissing any theories by anyone else here; it is way more fun to assume, and determine new historic facts and links, but I am saying there are just as many very unglamorous reasons for such recordings to exist.
Nobody knew these kinds of recordings would rock our world 40 years later.
I meant more unlikely for a number of reasons regarding it being some specific to Nicky headphone mix. Nothing to do with drugs, lack of record keeping, just the technology of the time.
Whether you spend a LOT of time in a studio or not has nothing to do with this.
Tis a bunch of rough mixes, nothing more nothing less.
Come on Phillip, I knew the minute I type LOT someone was going to jump on it. You punctuate many of your posts about your research from late 60's tracks with exclamation points, making sure we know how much you have dived into it. And I treat your views with a LOT of respect. The mellotron thread alone...
Headphone mix is a term used like monitor mixes. When recording (especially in different rooms like Nellxote) they had to most likel;y depend on cans quite a bit. A mixer with aux sends would give them different levels. if Keith says "all I need to hear is myself and Charlie" then he hears that; if Nicky ,who is more in the melodic dept, say "more Taylor" etc etc. Any engineer, or helper is going to be able to know who has what setting, and if someone asks for a copy of what they had in cans then they will get it.
As far as discounting 'drugfueled years" as something that has no bearing on Stones' history, especially 77. 72, then I don't know what to answer to that. I must have been following the wrong band.
The thing is - HM, Mathijs, and many others here know all this anyway.
Half the posting here is just pissing contests.
I am not sure this is how they recorded at Nellcote, and in fact I don't think they recorded like this at all until the Steel Wheels sessions. The Stones, and most 60's/70's bands recorded live, with everybody in the same room with only the drums and amps baffled. Only for overdubs headphones would be used. I think these unearthed recordings are all live takes of Richards, Watts, Wyman, Taylor and Hokings, recorded with everybody in the same room, without any headphones. The overdubs then of brass and guitars where done with headphones.
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Those are really great listens.
I am grabbing them with soundforge as mp3 files, but I doubt youtube is any more than 128-160K?
Hi MH, I grab stuff off you tube at 24 bits , 44.1KHz. Storage is cheap and you can be sure of getting the best of what anyone uplaoded , you can always go cleanup and or play with the wave files later. I have gotten some fine sounding files in the end. But, I don't need smaller files for portable devices since I don't use em. Good enough. Just my 2 bit. peace.
That's right. But I didn't think of it.
midnrambler later hinted at it and that's what we are trying to do here:
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I'm actually still in shock over your comment about not hearing anything new. Obviously these are 39 year old recordings, but unless you have only just started exploring the unreleased world of the Rolling Stones...you should have known how valuable this find was?!?!
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That's cool. Be well. peace.
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That's cool. Be well. peace.
Just sort of wondering who you are?
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That's cool. Be well. peace.
Just sort of wondering who you are?
If there was a way to contact you on this site, kinda off the main line, I'd send you some stuff which you would like I'll bet.
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Is it my imagination, or does that dude have some looooong fingers?
yeah ...ET like fingers! lol Hendrix-like in proportion. After watching this the whole "aliens are here already" thing is making more sense. peace.
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Is it my imagination, or does that dude have some looooong fingers?
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genco
Hello
it's very strange that in another stones forums (rocks off, shidobee) anybody talks about this new Exile takes. I think is a great discovery. Maybe these people only worried about mick hair, keith hats, ronnie girlfriend.....
I dont understand it...
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Hello
it's very strange that in another stones forums (rocks off, shidobee) anybody talks about this new Exile takes. I think is a great discovery. Maybe these people only worried about mick hair, keith hats, ronnie girlfriend.....
I dont understand it...
genco
Is this your best contribution?
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Hello
it's very strange that in another stones forums (rocks off, shidobee) anybody talks about this new Exile takes. I think is a great discovery. Maybe these people only worried about mick hair, keith hats, ronnie girlfriend.....
I dont understand it...
genco
Is this your best contribution?
YES
new takes of the stones and only a few fans talking about them?.
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hey Carster what's the matter with you? you're not being too polite x)
does every post has to be groundbreaking and impress ya?
hope this didn't knock you off your feet.
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Hello
it's very strange that in another stones forums (rocks off, shidobee) anybody talks about this new Exile takes. I think is a great discovery. Maybe these people only worried about mick hair, keith hats, ronnie girlfriend.....
I dont understand it...
genco
Is this your best contribution?
YES
new takes of the stones and only a few fans talking about them?.
You don't seem to get it...
What do YOU have of wisdome to contribute with that would knock me off of my feet?