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some of the prose was entertaining

Yes, but he could have decided to stick to that one thread. No need to hijack this thread too.

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Agreed and that was what he actually posted several times, but that thread died once people stopped arguing with him (myself included) and just laughed or ignored him so it was probably too much temptation to withstand. The desire for attention is a dangerous thing.

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The desire for attention is a dangerous thing.

Absolutely right. Sometimes you might draw more attention than you really wanted.

Edit: And now I'm gonna stop. Otherwise I would be hijacking this thread as well.

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Filed away under reggae in the forthcoming releases page in Record Collector!

I agree with you Kowaski, and I think that the commercial success of Mick's solo work is NO indication of it's value. To each his/her own, I guess but I tried to listen to TALK IS CHEAP again last week, and let's just say my original opinion stands...it's GOD awful, hard to listen to, redundant tracks, not melodic, just not good at all. Sorry for the comparison, AGAIN, I just felt compelled to defend WANDERING SPIRIT and GODDESS especially; even PRIMITIVE COOL is easier on the ears than Keith's cd.
I know, it's pointless to go back and forth with this arguement, which shouldn't be an arguement at all because there are those in Mick's " camp" and those in Keith's " camp" who stand by their views...as we should, but wouldn't it be nice to just agree to disagree!!

I'm in both camps. I rank Keith's two albums up there with WANDERING SPIRIT and most of PRIMITIVE COOL (and even "Let's Work" has a good guitar riff from Mick). GODDESS I rank with A BIGGER BANG (some very good tracks, but overall lacking). SHE'S THE BOSS is the only one I don't care much for (but anything on it is better than "Charmed Life"). SUPERHEAVY I'll really need to hear before I decide whether it's really a Mick solo effort or just a side project he's heavily involved with. To me, it will be down to the vocals and how much is actually sung by Mick. I can stomach duets, but three or four or five-part harmonies? Not my thing unless it's The Beach Boys.

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I know that there are already threads on this topic but one turned into a personal blog of one person with reactions to his posts of two more posters. So we can not assume that this is the place where it's possible to discuss a new Jagger's project
In any case there will be soon more news and views, respectively, on Super Heavy, so let this thread will be a place for this.

Good topic, thank you very much

An artist wants to release/to publish.
Mick is the productive one and if it had been a necessity as in the 60s and 70s he would have continued to release every regularly until now.
Keith isn't anymore and today's release mode is more in his vein
Unfortunately, they both missed the chance to establish them as solo stars in the 80s (I hear more differences to the Stones music than things shared). And one reason for that is - not finding together as Stones again - but to put down (Keith) or ignore (Mick) each other's solo work.

I would have called Mick productive up until four years ago. Not really since then. At the moment it appears both Jagger and Richards are gearing up to be productive. Sadly, not in tandem.

Dave Stewart on music, marriage and Annie Lennox
Chrissy Iley
[www.thetimes.co.uk]
The man who co-founded the Eurythmics say that his life changed when he was able to accept himself - and to accept love
Talking to Dave Stewart is like trying to catch a colony of moths. No sooner is one moth-like thought out of his mouth than another has come, and another.
It’s not surprising; the man who co-founded the Eurythmics is involved in so many projects, it’s hard to pin him down on just one of them. There is his first solo album in 15 years, The Blackbird Diaries, and his band Super Heavy with Mick Jagger, Damian Marley, A.R. Rahman and Joss Stone. There’s the score he has co-written for the musical Ghost, and the one he’s about to write for a musical called Bar Italia, based on the coffee bar in Soho and the Polledri family who owns it. He’s making several films and a pilot TV series. And on top of all that, he has written and produced the new albums of both Stevie Nicks and Joss Stone.
Is he the king of multitasking? “The word I use is ‘naughty’. It sums it up,” he says, with an appropriately naughty chuckle. How does he ever sleep? “At 7.30pm every night, I make a vodka Martini, a very strong one, with two olives and just the smell of vermouth, and I switch off. I have dinner, perhaps some red wine, hang out with the kids. Then I wake up at 8am, do swimming and Pilates and drink coconut water.”
Not all of Stewart’s life has been as calm — or as healthy. He has been involved in three car crashes, one of them nearly fatal when he was in a car travelling from Holland to Germany. “Another guy was driving and we somehow got pulled on to the wrong side of the motorway and into oncoming traffic. The car crashed, my rib was broken and it punctured the lung. My girlfriend broke her leg, and her baby, who was then about 2, got thrown out of the car. Weirdly, several years ago I was at the opening of Silks & Spice in Camden Town and a girl who was working there came up to me and said: ‘You don’t know who I am, but I’m the baby who flew out of the car’.”
His sons, Sam and Django (with his former wife Siobhan Fahey), have a band, Nightmare and the Cat. Sam is tall, dark and studious, whereas Django is the frontman, charismatic. We listen to their album, which is good. They seem to complement each other comfortably: the flamboyant frontman and the shy guitar virtuoso. “I wouldn’t be able to show you it if I didn’t think it was great,” Stewart says. “It’s hard for them, because they have to be good.”
His sons, his wife Anoushka Fisz, and his former wife were all at a much-applauded Stevie Nicks gig the previous night. Fahey wrote him an e-mail saying: “I had a great time at the gig last night. Hope you did too.” It all seems very civil.
“I’ve never really talked about me and Siobhan, although I’ve read some things that she’s said. It’s always one person’s perspective.” What Fahey has said is that it was hard to feel fulfilled as an artist when living with another artist. “My housekeeper has a phrase: ‘You don’t put two tigers in the same cage.’ And maybe when [her band] Shakespears Sister became huge, being in a confined space with two careers could be very difficult.
“Siobhan and Annie [Lennox] were very different relationships. The thing with Annie and I was that it worked out big time in a different way after we’d broken up.” (When they were a couple, pre-Eurythmics, they never actually wrote a song together, whereas now he’s still writing songs about Annie.) His current marriage seems calm and happy. They were married on a beach in St Tropez by Deepak Chopra, with The Edge, Bono and Elton John among the revellers. Yet on Stewart’s latest album, there are traces of regret, especially on the track All Messed Up. Who is he talking about here? “Oh, I think a lot of these songs are still about Annie. Remember, I haven’t made an album for 15 years. There was a lot to come out.In fact, this is the first time I’ve felt comfortable singing my songs as a singer-songwriter. Annie always made me feel that I couldn’t sing. I’m very sensitive and she’s an amazing belter and I just felt . . .” He’s mumbling now, so I can hardly hear him. For a minute he’s the old Dave Stewart who doesn’t have his own voice.
“I think it was because I recorded and wrote this album in Nashville [duetting with country superstar Martina McBride]. It was like a baptism of fire,” he says. “None of these people knew me. I never used to sound like me before and now that I’ve been able to erase other people’s voices out of my head I sound like me again.”
Since then, his confidence has much improved and the attacks of anxiety he has felt for years are diminishing. “Although I don’t like going into restaurants and the supermarket still makes me anxious,” he says. “When I was living in Crouch End in the 1980s, I told the doctor that I felt very anxious going into Tesco, and he was just writing and he put it in an envelope and said: ‘Give this to somebody in reception.’ In reception this woman said: ‘There’s a taxi to take you somewhere to see a specialist’ and I ended up going through the doors of Friern Barnet mental hospital, saying: ‘No, no, there’s a mistake.’ I managed to talk my way out of it.”
Stewart seems to have had a strange reaction to success: it diluted his confidence, rather than fulfilled him. The more successful he became with Eurythmics, the more he doubted himself. “I got paradise syndrome. I think every person that gets hurtled into fame gets that a little bit: ‘Oh, I don’t deserve this, hang on a little bit, my legs are going to fall off, so I’ll just do something not consciously but subconsciously to destroy it.’ Probably 99 per cent of people press a self-destruct button because they’re afraid of the light.”
Having grown up as a Sunderland boy used to disappointment, he couldn’t reprogramme himself for success, and ended up believing he had all these terrible illnesses because he felt that he deserved them. His life changed, he says, when he was able to accept himself and to accept love.
“Me and Bryan Ferry were recording in France and he wanted me to go to a dinner in St Tropez. I was doing everything to talk him out of it. The people who had arranged the dinner had put me next to Anoushka because we both take photographs. We talked till 3am.” It was raining and it was outside and they didn’t even notice.
“We saw each other for a few days in France, but we didn’t go out with each other or sleep together. I couldn’t stop thinking about her. I next saw her nine months later and found that she couldn’t stop thinking about me. We had been together about two years and we already had a baby when we got married.”
Does he feel happy? “I do, actually. I feel I’m in the right place at the right time, and my work/home balance, which was very complicated in the past, also feels right. I think that in the past I was somebody who found it very difficult to accept love. I used not to be able to understand that somebody would love me. But being able to be loved is why I feel comfortable in myself and why I feel I can sing again.”
Blackbird Diaries is released on June 27

thanks for the interview proudmary

"they're dropping like flies around here these days"

My guess some have died of boredom if they only read the "Tell Me" forum...

[www.examiner.com]

Look this my take on this super heavy thing look its gonna flop like anything else Jagger does on his own. Without Keith and the rest of the Stones Mick ain"t nothing.. This will not be nothing major.. Mick makes his big money with the Stones not on his own. He needs to return to the fold with the Stones now and just start the new album and tour....... The 50th anniversary tour is the ticket not some super heavy project with other people.. If that is the case then Keith needs to get the Winos together do a new album and tour..At least Keith can rock on his own if he has to.

drummer_dude

Whatever the cause, the truth is there is no contract for a new Stones studio album as of today and both Jagger and Richards appear to be going their own way for the time being. Both of them can be dismissed as nothing major without the other. Whether one prefers Mick or Keith as solo artists is incidental when you consider that a Stones reunion album and tour can't be thrown together in a matter of weeks and as they both approach 70 the likelihood of getting back together in any real sense is going to rapidly diminish. If Super Heavy and the Winos have albums and tours in the offing for 2011-2012, then the earliest we could see the Stones swinging back for an album and tour would be Fall 2013. How realistic this is when both turn 70 in 2013 is highly questionable as the months pass and more time goes by since they last worked together. Comparisons to the eighties when they reunited after solo outings are not relevant when you consider they are no longer men in their forties. Time isn't on their side any more.

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Wow! It sounds intriguing.Interestingly in this teaser does not emphasize the star presence of Jagger.He is only visible from the back



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You hear his vocals backwards (from the sound of it) before Joss Stone starts singing, "You're a miracle worker" and "You're a surgeon of love."

Mick Jagger's Super Heavy band launches official YouTube channel
June 21, 2011 2:45 pm ET
Carla Hay

Mick Jagger’s new band Super Heavy has now launched an official YouTube channel with a 55-second video clip that is an abstract introduction to the band.
Although a release date and title have not yet been announced for Super Heavy's debut album, Stewart said in a June 2011 interview with Dutch magazine Muziek that the band recorded 30 songs, and 16 have been selected for the album. Stewart commented in the interview: "We are currently working on the mixing. Producing Super Heavy was really crazy. So many different personalities, so many different voices. I was right in the firing line."
Super Heavy’s first video on its YouTube channel is a quick montage of images of the band members at various locations, including a recording studio and a rehearsal space.
In a voiceover, Stewart says: “I was in the Caribbean, and I went to the top of a hill. And when I got to the top of the hill, light was kind of coming through the leaves on the trees. And I had this kind of flash of how there could be a fusion of music from different parts of the world mixed together. And I could sort of visualize it. And then I called you.”
Jagger then says, “I never actually thought that would happen.”
Then part of a Super Heavy song is heard on the video. While the song is playing, Stone can be heard saying, "It was so scary." So far, titles for the album’s songs have not been publicly revealed, but at the end of the video clip, the line “you’re a surgeon of love” can be heard in the song.

As previously reported, Jagger has signed with Creative Artists Agency (CAA) for his solo and film projects, which is an indication that he may be touring with Super Heavy.
There has been much speculation that the Rolling Stones would do a 50th anniversary tour in 2012, but since Jagger has been spending time working on Super Heavy, and he has hired a booking agency for his solo career, those actions appear to be signs that Jagger has plans for 2012 that do not include a Rolling Stones tour.
In addition, Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards is working on a new solo album with members of the X-Pensive Winos. Since Richards has done a tour for every solo album of new material that he has released, it is very possible that Richards may do a solo tour in 2012.
The Rolling Stones have released multiple statements saying that they have no immediate plans to tour.
Meanwhile, a remastered reissue of the Rolling Stones' 1978 album "Some Girls" is in the works. A release date has not been set for the reissue, but it is expected to have previously unreleased tracks, much like the 2010 remastered reissue of the Rolling Stones' 1972 album "Exile on Main Street" had previously unreleased tracks.

[www.examiner.com]

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This makes me wanna hear more. Will be interesting!

As previously reported, Jagger has signed with Creative Artists Agency (CAA) for his solo and film projects, which is an indication that he may be touring with Super Heavy.
There has been much speculation that the Rolling Stones would do a 50th anniversary tour in 2012, but since Jagger has been spending time working on Super Heavy, and he has hired a booking agency for his solo career, those actions appear to be signs that Jagger has plans for 2012 that do not include a Rolling Stones tour.
In addition, Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards is working on a new solo album with members of the X-Pensive Winos. Since Richards has done a tour for every solo album of new material that he has released, it is very possible that Richards may do a solo tour in 2012.
The Rolling Stones have released multiple statements saying that they have no immediate plans to tour.

really bad news, if it`s true.....

....good for Mick....bad for the RS...but then Keith should have thought through that book a bit better maybe.

SuperHeavy started recording in June 2008. The Stones signed a deal with Universal that same year that excluded new studio albums. The reality we have today was in place long before the "tiny todger" storm in a tea cup blew up.

Dearest Mick, one question....WHY?

You are the front man for the greatest live RnR band ever, you guys can still command the bucks for a huge tour, if you tried you could make some good new Stones music and I"m sorry, but you'll NEVER get your rocks off like you do in this new environment by fronting a band of side players, ok, decent musicians, but still..c'mon.

Am I the only one wondering if this is as much about your play to get into Joss Stone's pants as it is to get back at Keith?

The players are interesting, and if its just a side project and a small tour and then back to the Stones, cool, great idea for a warm up, but if its the end of the Stones because you need to show you can do it on your own, or can form a new band, I think that will never get you where a guy like you needs to be: FRONTING a MASSIVE TOUR, or sought after, sold out shows for the rich and famous, or at least earning a living that can support your lifestyle so you dont go into cash burn mode.

Sure, you're celeb friends will come to hear what you and Slumdog sound like with a Raggae beat and the beauty of Joss Stone(s) on stage with you playing cat and mouse, but does this really allow for the potential substance of what some new Stones music and a tour could bring?

If you put HALF the effort into new Stones music as you're putting into this, or a quarter of what you put into pursuing chicks or being a jet setter, you and Keith could make some killer music. You guys tried a bit, a bit, with Bigger Bang. The rust was starting to come off, but because you guys have grown apart and cant get along, now you cant work together, and everyone who has devoted their musical tastes to you and your music has to suffer. What happened to "This thing, the Rolling Stones, is bigger than any one person". What about all your employees who are sitting around waiting, probably on unemployment, hoping you agree to get the band back together. Jesus, where's Belushi when we need him?

Maybe it's just me, and yes I'd be somewhat pissed if I was you after reading what Keith wrote, but is it not possible Keith was holding back on the real BS you've gone through, i.e. much more serious issues than the size of your unit?

Just finished Steven Tylers book and he goes into detail about the size of the whole band, haha.

C'mon Mick, I like the idea of some new and different music, but dont for a minute think this can get you, and everyone you've built into a fan base, what we all need.

What we need is some new Stones music and a tour, and for you to show us you can survive, the band can survive, you can be humble and show Keith how to be humble and build a friendship back, or at least an acceptable working relationship, help Ronnie who certainly helped you when you needed him, and by doing that you can lead the band through adversity and lay the groundwork for others to try and follow.

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SuperHeavy started recording in June 2008. The Stones signed a deal with Universal that same year that excluded new studio albums. The reality we have today was in place long before the "tiny todger" storm in a tea cup blew up.

Not quite. Yes, they began to record two or three years ago, but then the project has been shelved. Just this year Jagger decided to take this project seriously and move it forward
In addition, we do not know what was before - maybe Richards first started work on the Winos. Back in 2002 Vicktor Bockris in his book on Keith wrote that Richards is now more popular than Jagger and he does not need him, that Keith have to begin to record and perform solo and it will be much more successful than the Stones ( becouse of an old lost his charm, touch and voice Jagger who just annoying)
I'm sure there are a lot of people around Richards who inspire him to go with it.
If you look at our board here more people who want to see Keith solo than the Stones - to that extent they can't stand Jagger
I know that these hard core fans do not represent all people interested in the Stones, but they are around Keith, and through them he sees the reality, because he lives in a very small bubble. After the success of his book, his head was just spinning.
He's hanging out and showing off a lot more than ever was Jagger - the prizes, awards, dinners with the president, films with Depp, you name it

..... the "tiny todger" storm in a tea cup blew up.

I do not think it's a storm in a tea cup. Remark about the "tiny todger" is just the top of the iceberg - albeit disgusting and inexcusable, but only the top.
This book shows with crystal clarity the depth of the hostility, envy, contempt,disloyalty which has Richards for Mick. Keith said in an interview that the book has opened Jagger's eyes - and it really has, but not in the manner Richards expected.
There is quote from the article in NY Times, she said it's better than I could
"Nonetheless, the idea of Jagger having sold out some crucial part of his former self remains a widespread and potent one. And, oddly enough, one of its most effective promoters has been Jagger’s bandmate Keith Richards, who, for decades now, has been publicly grumbling about Jagger’s conceit, bossiness, social climbing and so on. Until recently, his criticisms were understood to be consistent with an odd, fractious but fundamentally sound friendship.
Earlier this year, when Richards released his autobiography Life, the hostility reached unprecedented heights. The book attacks Jagger on any number of fronts, from the quality of his voice to the size of his member (a “tiny todger”), but the gist of Richards’s message is that while he has stayed true to his freewheeling, subversive roots, Jagger has become increasingly pretentious and power-mad, an uptight, scheming Apollo to Richards’s reckless, groovy Dionysus."

May be up to this book, Mick did not notice or want to ignore this blatant disloyalty of Richards, but now it is not possible. I remember Mick said that Keith does it to maintain his image. He regarded this as an adult to a child antics. maybe it's time to realize that Keith is not child anymore and that there is such a thing as Responsibility.



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At the beginning of 2011 Mick and Dave Stewart were mixing the album in LA with Chris Lord Alge. The sessions were sporadic from 2008 through 2010 based on availability of the participants. The only change in plans was that Nokia apparently backed out and their concept of an entertainment platform was the root of the project. The new PR spin is that it was visionary Dave Stewart's brainchild - which is fine. No one expects them to sell the album by saying "it was all Nokia's idea but they changed their mind and here we are!"

Clear that the project existed and changed over the past three years. But I do not think anyone thought about creating a band or even that they can go on tour. This is an obvious response to Keith, who could expect anything from Jagger, but do not participate in another band. He also talked so much about the difference between the band and hired musicians...

Calm down!

SUPERHEAVY project doesn't exclude the possibility of a 2012 tour.

* Keith Richards released Talk Is Cheap in 1988, a year before Steel Wheels Tour.

* Mick Jagger released Wandering Spirit in 1993, a year before Voodoo Lounge Tour.

* Mick Jagger released Goddess In The Doorway in 2001, a year before Licks Tour.

* Mick Jagger released Alfie in 2004, a year before A Bigger Bang Tour.

Jagger hasn't abandoned nor betrayed The Stones. Remember that he wrote new lyrics, recorded new vocals, guitars and harmonica for the Exile bonus tracks and is doing the same for Some Girls.

I think that sometimes Jagger doesn't want to be bound to his old band. Sometimes he feels the necessity to work with different people and I'm sure he gives a @#$%& about whether we like it or not.

Keith hasn't made an album in 19 years so why would that have impacted Mick's decision-making? Mick has kept up his solo activity along with his film and television production interests for the past 27 years so this side project is hardly a surprise.

After the 2007 European tour finished, a decision was made to make the next recording contract be about exploiting the archives and the back catalog rather than the band as a going concern who would continue to make new albums and support them with tours. The reasons are likely more complex than a single issue and certainly are not something they intend to publicize. All four of them have stated they intend to work together and tour soon (including Mick). Clearly, it is as meaningful as all the times since 1993 that Keith declared the Winos were calling him up. Until his recent sessions with Steve Jordan, there has been no truth to Keith actively planning a third solo album. What actors, musicians, directors, etc. tell the public and reality are usually miles apart with good reason - real life is either private or boring. PR people exist to create sound bytes and uphold media images. It does help sell product.

Keith's idiotic remark about Mick's privates came about two years into the current situation (deluxe editions, movie and TV projects, SuperHeavy) and was not likely a deciding factor.

The rumor that SuperHeavy would play the 2012 Olympics (still just a rumor) has been around for three years now. SuperHeavy was never intended as something that would be over and done with on some sort of Stones reunion timetable when the Stones don't even have a contract to record or a tour promoter at the end of the second quarter of the year before the big anniversary approaches. Clearly, the anniversary matters more to diehard fans than four grown men who continue to work and choose not to make public their reasons.

Despite the work done on the EXILE project by the others (mainly Mick), Ronnie hasn't worked with the band in nearly four years. And no, overdubbing piecemeal fashion one track for the Stu tribute doesn't count.

Bottom line is while I would welcome a new Stones album and tour, there was never any reason to expect it apart from wishful thinking and false hopes based on remarks made in interviews. Certainly as the months pass and the four of them remain busy with other projects (and not new projects, either), it becomes clear they have been aware of the band's lack of plans for some time. Again, if they were serious about maintaining the band as an ongoing effort, they would have signed a recording contract or retained a tour promoter. Everything else is just talk and whether it's puerile remarks about a bandmate's privates or hot air about future plans, talk really is cheap.