Tell Me :
Talk
Okay: that example is irrelevant.
I think what Mathijs is referring to there is Amsterdamneds' insistence that he had "inside knowledge" that the Plundered My Soul rhythm guitar was not played by Keith, but played by Mick Taylor.
Quite frankly, it was a ridiculous lie, and he knows it.
No you didnt. You obviously dont remember it well at all.
Thats the trouble with liars, its so very difficult for them to remember every lie theyve told. All liars eventually trip up and the truth is exposed.
And Amsterdamned deletes / edits all his posts almost every single time, so he thinks we don't remember what he wrote.... Problems is: he forgets himself!
As long as it doesn't turn out to be the first Track Talk to be closed or deleted by the Management.
Aaaah (again aaaah!), now that is not completely true, now is it, my dear friend Amsterdamned? You stated and claimed in that thread several times that you had inside information it was not keith Richards on rhythm guitar, but Taylor. It didn't matter what references and proof anyone had showing it really was Richards -we where all dead wrong, as you had inside information it was actually Taylor. You did state that several times.
And indeed, you do seem to have a habit of editing your postings, but of course I would not like to be accused of accusing you of editing your posts after you have been proved wrong, my dear friend Amsterdamned.
I start to like you, you know.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-04-16 00:04 by Mathijs.
Well, yes, but that wasn't directed to Amsterdamned directly, or anyone for that matter. But indeed, in my personal opinion (and not as a matter of fact), I find it as rediculous to state it is not Richards on rhythm guitar on I'M Going Down or Plundered My Soul as stating that it is not Mick Jagger on lead vocals of Start Me Up.
That's what I mean with 'I can be a little blunt'.
Mathijs
I knew you would come up with this old post.
Unfortunately I made an error posting and defending too fast it was the rythm guitar, instead of Taylors great slide intro etc.
That was not quite clear by the time it was told to me... Maybe a bit too impatient to share that news. Calling me a liar is a bit far fetched, but that's "Thank God's" interpretation.
Anyway, my biggest fun about this story is that I knew it even before Keith,
regardless the track Taylor played. Sometimes the world is upside down.
[www.iorr.org]
Well, no:
[www.iorr.org]
Mathijs
15 pages is too much for me.
I admit I was wrong about the rythm,but right about the other Taylor parts.
No one believed me I was told and I posted this before anyone here (Keith included apparently) believed Mick played on PMS.
See below.
Is that it so hard for you to believe such a message, posted by an
enthusiastic fan?
Sometimes it's hard not to be Mr-"Know it all",my dear Mathijs?
You can say that indeed,
I was wrong for a part, how can I deny it,..that doesn't make me a liar.
A liar is some one not telling the truth on purpose. I was just deadly wrong about the rythm part.
But summing up old posts in a row while it was in a period where Keith said: "No overdubs by Mick Taylor", makes it even look worse. How low can you go.
The fact I stated at the same time that it was actually MT who did the overdubs,while everybody was guessing, and thus I was right for that part cause I knew it for sure..,well, let's forget that.
Dear Mathijs: my previous post where I said you're a police officer or I feel like being in court is true indeed with one difference: The way you acted by summing up these old posts in a row makes you
even a prosecutor, one of the most indecent jobs on this board in this context, with the virtual help of your 2 henchmen.
Ive lost my last grain of respect for you, not as a Stones fan, but as a human being.
Ive never said that to any person in my entire life before.
Some people are not even worth to get their as kicked.
Your honour.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: April 15, 2011 20:02
"I personally don't like to have my speculations on a board dismissed as "ridiculous"."
Okay : imagine I say Napoelon was a woman. You'll say "ridiculous" then I'll strike back saying : "PROVE ME that I'm wrong".
This constitutes a perversion of the rules of logic and discussion and this is exactly what's going on here at IORR.
Okay : imagine I say Napoelon was a woman. You'll say "ridiculous" then I'll strike back saying : "PROVE ME that I'm wrong".
This constitutes a perversion of the rules of logic and discussion and this is exactly what's going on here at IORR.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Bärs
()
Date: April 15, 2011 20:36
Quote
dcba
Okay : imagine I say Napoelon was a woman. You'll say "ridiculous" then I'll strike back saying : "PROVE ME that I'm wrong".
Okay: that example is irrelevant.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
jpasc95
()
Date: April 15, 2011 20:58
To avoid future quarrel, maybe it would be easier and faster to say on which songs Keith really plays ?
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
ThankGod
()
Date: April 15, 2011 21:30
Quote
Bärs
Well, you did write before the post you qouted:
"It's like the discussion about Keith's part in Plundered My Soul -it's just ridiculous to state it's anyone else than Richards."
I personally don't like to have my speculations on a board dismissed as "ridiculous".
I think what Mathijs is referring to there is Amsterdamneds' insistence that he had "inside knowledge" that the Plundered My Soul rhythm guitar was not played by Keith, but played by Mick Taylor.
Quite frankly, it was a ridiculous lie, and he knows it.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 15, 2011 21:38
Okay : imagine I say Napoelon was a woman. You'll say "ridiculous" then I'll strike back saying : "PROVE ME that I'm wrong". <dcba>
My posts regarding PMS where about the overdubs.
I stated it was Taylor,almost nobody believed me.
About Keith rythm part I misinterpreted . So that's only a part of the story.
I set that straight way back if I remember it well.
My posts regarding PMS where about the overdubs.
I stated it was Taylor,almost nobody believed me.
About Keith rythm part I misinterpreted . So that's only a part of the story.
I set that straight way back if I remember it well.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
ThankGod
()
Date: April 15, 2011 22:04
Quote
Amsterdamned
Okay : imagine I say Napoelon was a woman. You'll say "ridiculous" then I'll strike back saying : "PROVE ME that I'm wrong". <dcba>
My posts regarding PMS where about the overdubs.
I stated it was Taylor,almost nobody believed me.
About Keith rythm part I misinterpreted . So that's only a part of the story.
I set that straight way back if I remember it well.
No you didnt. You obviously dont remember it well at all.
Thats the trouble with liars, its so very difficult for them to remember every lie theyve told. All liars eventually trip up and the truth is exposed.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Vocalion
()
Date: April 15, 2011 22:13
Quote
ThankGodQuote
Amsterdamned
Okay : imagine I say Napoelon was a woman. You'll say "ridiculous" then I'll strike back saying : "PROVE ME that I'm wrong". <dcba>
My posts regarding PMS where about the overdubs.
I stated it was Taylor,almost nobody believed me.
About Keith rythm part I misinterpreted . So that's only a part of the story.
I set that straight way back if I remember it well.
No you didnt. You obviously dont remember it well at all.
Thats the trouble with liars, its so very difficult for them to remember every lie theyve told. All liars eventually trip up and the truth is exposed.
And Amsterdamned deletes / edits all his posts almost every single time, so he thinks we don't remember what he wrote.... Problems is: he forgets himself!
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
()
Date: April 15, 2011 22:17
Years from now we'll look back fondly as we recall how this innocuous little outtake became the first of Rene's legendary Trash Talk posts.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Green Lady
()
Date: April 15, 2011 23:53
Quote
Rocky Dijon
Years from now we'll look back fondly as we recall how this innocuous little outtake became the first of Rene's legendary Trash Talk posts.
As long as it doesn't turn out to be the first Track Talk to be closed or deleted by the Management.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 16, 2011 00:02
Quote
Amsterdamned
Okay : imagine I say Napoelon was a woman. You'll say "ridiculous" then I'll strike back saying : "PROVE ME that I'm wrong". <dcba>
My posts regarding PMS where about the overdubs.
I stated it was Taylor,almost nobody believed me.
About Keith rythm part I misinterpreted . So that's only a part of the story.
I set that straight way back if I remember it well.
Aaaah (again aaaah!), now that is not completely true, now is it, my dear friend Amsterdamned? You stated and claimed in that thread several times that you had inside information it was not keith Richards on rhythm guitar, but Taylor. It didn't matter what references and proof anyone had showing it really was Richards -we where all dead wrong, as you had inside information it was actually Taylor. You did state that several times.
And indeed, you do seem to have a habit of editing your postings, but of course I would not like to be accused of accusing you of editing your posts after you have been proved wrong, my dear friend Amsterdamned.
I start to like you, you know.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-04-16 00:04 by Mathijs.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 16, 2011 00:09
Quote
Bärs
Well, you did write before the post you qouted:
"It's like the discussion about Keith's part in Plundered My Soul -it's just ridiculous to state it's anyone else than Richards."
I personally don't like to have my speculations on a board dismissed as "ridiculous".
Well, yes, but that wasn't directed to Amsterdamned directly, or anyone for that matter. But indeed, in my personal opinion (and not as a matter of fact), I find it as rediculous to state it is not Richards on rhythm guitar on I'M Going Down or Plundered My Soul as stating that it is not Mick Jagger on lead vocals of Start Me Up.
That's what I mean with 'I can be a little blunt'.
Mathijs
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 16, 2011 00:31
Quote
ThankGodQuote
Bärs
Well, you did write before the post you qouted:
"It's like the discussion about Keith's part in Plundered My Soul -it's just ridiculous to state it's anyone else than Richards."
I personally don't like to have my speculations on a board dismissed as "ridiculous".
I think what Mathijs is referring to there is Amsterdamneds' insistence that he had "inside knowledge" that the Plundered My Soul rhythm guitar was not played by Keith, but played by Mick Taylor.
Quite frankly, it was a ridiculous lie, and he knows it.
I knew you would come up with this old post.
Unfortunately I made an error posting and defending too fast it was the rythm guitar, instead of Taylors great slide intro etc.
That was not quite clear by the time it was told to me... Maybe a bit too impatient to share that news. Calling me a liar is a bit far fetched, but that's "Thank God's" interpretation.
Anyway, my biggest fun about this story is that I knew it even before Keith,
regardless the track Taylor played. Sometimes the world is upside down.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 16, 2011 00:57
Quote
Amsterdamned
Unfortunately I made an error posting and defending too fast it was the rythm guitar, instead of Taylors great slide intro etc.
That was not quite clear by the time it was told to me... Maybe a bit too impatient to share that news.
[www.iorr.org]
Quote
ThankGodQuote
kleermaker
Amsterdamned has stated that he has a reliable source that says that Taylor did also the rhythm part. He said that days ago.
I guess you mean this?Quote
Amsterdamned
It's both Taylor on lead & rhythm.
No Keith involved.
orQuote
Amsterdamned
It's both Taylor on lead & rhythm.
No Keith involved. 100% shure.
orQuote
Amsterdamned
I really know the truth about it. Believe me or not.
It's Taylor on Lead and rhythm.
No Keith involved.
orQuote
Amsterdamned
It's not Keith but Mick. .I'am as sure as possible.
orQuote
Amsterdamned
Mick both ,recreation track too.I'm well informed.
The truth may be told.
orQuote
Amsterdamned
Keith wasn't involved.. I know it.
or this?Quote
Amsterdamned
Mick T did the lead and rhythm,.I got this from a well informed source.
Mathijs
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 16, 2011 00:58
Quote
Amsterdamned
Anyway, my biggest fun about this story is that I knew it even before Keith
Well, no:
[www.iorr.org]
Mathijs
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 16, 2011 01:36
Quote
MathijsQuote
Amsterdamned
Anyway, my biggest fun about this story is that I knew it even before Keith
Well, no:
[www.iorr.org]
Mathijs
15 pages is too much for me.
I admit I was wrong about the rythm,but right about the other Taylor parts.
No one believed me I was told and I posted this before anyone here (Keith included apparently) believed Mick played on PMS.
See below.
Is that it so hard for you to believe such a message, posted by an
enthusiastic fan?
Sometimes it's hard not to be Mr-"Know it all",my dear Mathijs?
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
()
Date: April 16, 2011 01:52
Ah, happy memories. That was a fun thread while it lasted.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 16, 2011 09:25
Quote
Rocky Dijon
Ah, happy memories. That was a fun thread while it lasted.
You can say that indeed,
I was wrong for a part, how can I deny it,..that doesn't make me a liar.
A liar is some one not telling the truth on purpose. I was just deadly wrong about the rythm part.
But summing up old posts in a row while it was in a period where Keith said: "No overdubs by Mick Taylor", makes it even look worse. How low can you go.
The fact I stated at the same time that it was actually MT who did the overdubs,while everybody was guessing, and thus I was right for that part cause I knew it for sure..,well, let's forget that.
Dear Mathijs: my previous post where I said you're a police officer or I feel like being in court is true indeed with one difference: The way you acted by summing up these old posts in a row makes you
even a prosecutor, one of the most indecent jobs on this board in this context, with the virtual help of your 2 henchmen.
Ive lost my last grain of respect for you, not as a Stones fan, but as a human being.
Ive never said that to any person in my entire life before.
Some people are not even worth to get their as kicked.
Your honour.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 16, 2011 12:25
You accused me of rewriting history. Well, I had good fun reading the old threads about Plundered My Soul again. And it is you who rewrites history here. All you have to do is read the first two pages of this: [www.iorr.org]
And [www.iorr.org].
The discussion never was about whether Taylor played on Plundered or not: the track was available on Youtube and it was clear it was Taylor on lead guitar. The discussion was whether it was an overdub or not, as that was difficult to hear on the Youtube recording. There where also different reports: Taylor claimed he did an overdub on one song, Jagger was evasive, and Richards denied it. It was then when you claimed you where told by a source close to the band that it was Taylor who overdubbed both the lead and the rhythm guitar. The discussion then changed to whether it was Keith on open G. And, as in this thread, you never listened to any arguments, but kept stating the mantra that you ‘knew’ because someone ‘told’ you.
While reading the topics again, I noticed something different. Kleermaker and yourself accuse me of being a terrible person without any decency. On each and every thread about PMS the discussions last for several pages, in case even 13 pages, where the discussions are positive and in a very good mood. Every time that Kleermaker or yourself enter the discussion it immediately turns into a barroom brawl, like this:
[www.iorr.org]
All I can say is that you must be a deeply disturbed person if you are capable of stating this.
Mathijs
And [www.iorr.org].
The discussion never was about whether Taylor played on Plundered or not: the track was available on Youtube and it was clear it was Taylor on lead guitar. The discussion was whether it was an overdub or not, as that was difficult to hear on the Youtube recording. There where also different reports: Taylor claimed he did an overdub on one song, Jagger was evasive, and Richards denied it. It was then when you claimed you where told by a source close to the band that it was Taylor who overdubbed both the lead and the rhythm guitar. The discussion then changed to whether it was Keith on open G. And, as in this thread, you never listened to any arguments, but kept stating the mantra that you ‘knew’ because someone ‘told’ you.
While reading the topics again, I noticed something different. Kleermaker and yourself accuse me of being a terrible person without any decency. On each and every thread about PMS the discussions last for several pages, in case even 13 pages, where the discussions are positive and in a very good mood. Every time that Kleermaker or yourself enter the discussion it immediately turns into a barroom brawl, like this:
[www.iorr.org]
Quote
kleermaker
"Taylor is generic in my opinion. It’s not the fluid Taylor we expect (then again, he hardly plays anything fluid on Exile), it sounds heavily edited to my ears, and it’s just not the most inspiring licks ever laid to tape. It’s prominent and has a great sound, but it just isn’t memorable enough. I can see why they didn’t finish it in ’72." Quote Mathijs.
"Agree withy everything you said Mathjis
Great post." Quote 71Tele.
71Tele, I'm totally speachless. Don't you really understand what this guy is actually saying? It's just a sneer to Taylor, don't you see that? Of course it's not the best Taylor has ever played, not by far. But in the context of the song it's just great. Period. It's the best the song has to offer and it compensates Jagger's lousy vocals for a great deal. Without Taylor's guitar this song would be nothing to talk about. Well, you might endlessly talk about how great the drums and the bass sound, not to forget the piano, the sax, the percussion and the backup vocals.
Quote
Amsterdamned
Ive lost my last grain of respect for you, not as a Stones fan, but as a human being.
All I can say is that you must be a deeply disturbed person if you are capable of stating this.
Mathijs
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
jpasc95
()
Date: April 16, 2011 12:31
all right guys, it's not really funny, it's going too far...
it would be good to stop now.
You can't appreciate everyone in this world, but with a little bit of tolerance, things can get better..
it would be good to stop now.
You can't appreciate everyone in this world, but with a little bit of tolerance, things can get better..
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: April 16, 2011 15:08
I think it's Keith on guitar in I'm Going Down, but it could of course be someone else. You never know. Pretty good song, btw.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 16, 2011 23:11
It is a good song, imo. It wouldn't have needed very much touching up from Jagger to make it shine even more.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: April 17, 2011 00:22
Bjornulf SEND THE U.N. PEACEMAKERS please!
By tomorrow morning I betcha i'll be reading stuff like "I bet your grandpa was a Nazi informer in occupied Netherland during WWII"
STOP!
By tomorrow morning I betcha i'll be reading stuff like "I bet your grandpa was a Nazi informer in occupied Netherland during WWII"
STOP!
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
()
Date: April 17, 2011 02:14
Oddly enough, if one of their Grandfathers was a Nazi informer in occupied Netherlands during World War II, it would interest Keith far more than Taylor.
It's little things like that that make this place so interesting.
It's little things like that that make this place so interesting.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Vocalion
()
Date: April 17, 2011 10:37
Quote
Rocky Dijon
Oddly enough, if one of their Grandfathers was a Nazi informer in occupied Netherlands during World War II, it would interest Keith far more than Taylor.
It's little things like that that make this place so interesting.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: April 17, 2011 13:37
The discussion never was about whether Taylor played on Plundered or not<Mathijs>
You're right. It wasn't..hardly.., and not done to explain... for me.
[www.iorr.org].
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-04-17 20:19 by Amsterdamned.
You're right. It wasn't..hardly.., and not done to explain... for me.
[www.iorr.org].
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-04-17 20:19 by Amsterdamned.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
slew
()
Date: April 18, 2011 18:25
It's always reminded me of Brown Sugar. Great riff but it sounds like its not finished especially the vocals.
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Vocalion
()
Date: April 18, 2011 18:30
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-04-17 18:19 by Amsterdamned.
Only 2 times?! Are you sure?
Only 2 times?! Are you sure?
Re: Track Talk: I'm Going Down
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
()
Date: April 18, 2011 23:17
Slew, you bring up an excellent point in that to me the lyrics are the only let-down. Had the lyrics been reworked to resemble something approaching coherency, this track would have made the grade. As it is, there is a great riff, great playing, and great vocal performance. The let-down is that the lyrics never really make any sense which damns the song to be nothing more than an officially released outtake that never really fits as a missing piece of a puzzle since the lyrics are just a sketch.
My apologies for helping to take the thread back on topic.
My apologies for helping to take the thread back on topic.
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