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The Greekproof in the pudding . Mathijs is right .that rhythm guitar is pure keith .you just have to listen to keith's signature sound which he is world famous for ,as for the lead that's vintage taylor just like Mathijs says like the stones tune tops.Quote
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Ps If not being able to hear Keith on PMS is like stating Keith isn't very prominent on Honky Tonk Women.
Yes, except Mr. Jagger has been known to do a fairly credible 5-string open G Keith imitation.
How important is it to know if Taylor's overdubs are recent or not..it are overdubs btw.
Most important fact is that it is Taylor,both lead and rythm. I wouln't be surprsed if the 3th guitar isn't Taylor too, BTW It's not that difficult to sound like Keith with open G if you are a bit of a guitar player. With all respect for Keith btw,he made the sound popular.mainly by creating great songs..
You continue to post this crap. Why?
The open G rythm guitar on this track is signature Keith. It has the exact phrasing of keith, it has the same sound as various other tracks from the sessions (Tops for example), he's credited for playing it (and the Stones always have been fairly honest in their credits, see Sway and Moonlight Mile on SF), Taylor hasn't played anything in over 40 years that remotely resembles the playing and sound on this track, and he sure wouldn't be capable to pull that off these days.
It's just utter nonsense.
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But, - on the other hand as far as I know we don't have an official comment from Taylor.
So till now it is only people writing it in the net. And a lot has been written so far . .
But, my god, it's only a few chords anyway. We will know about it . .
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The Greekproof in the pudding . Mathijs is right .that rhythm guitar is pure keith .you just have to listen to keith's signature sound which he is world famous for ,as for the lead that's vintage taylor just like Mathijs says like the stones tune tops.Quote
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Ps If not being able to hear Keith on PMS is like stating Keith isn't very prominent on Honky Tonk Women.
Yes, except Mr. Jagger has been known to do a fairly credible 5-string open G Keith imitation.
How important is it to know if Taylor's overdubs are recent or not..it are overdubs btw.
Most important fact is that it is Taylor,both lead and rythm. I wouln't be surprsed if the 3th guitar isn't Taylor too, BTW It's not that difficult to sound like Keith with open G if you are a bit of a guitar player. With all respect for Keith btw,he made the sound popular.mainly by creating great songs..
You continue to post this crap. Why?
The open G rythm guitar on this track is signature Keith. It has the exact phrasing of keith, it has the same sound as various other tracks from the sessions (Tops for example), he's credited for playing it (and the Stones always have been fairly honest in their credits, see Sway and Moonlight Mile on SF), Taylor hasn't played anything in over 40 years that remotely resembles the playing and sound on this track, and he sure wouldn't be capable to pull that off these days.
It's just utter nonsense.
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Well, the pudding seems to have a different taste to different people. This kind of 'arguments' don't help to answer the question.
For me the most important fact is Taylor's statement, heard and mentioned by a member up up up here, that he did overdubs on PMS. I see no reason to doubt that statement, with all due respect for the skilled ears of all Stones 'scholars'. It's obvious that Taylor didn't hint to overdubs from about 40 years ago.
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The Greekproof in the pudding . Mathijs is right .that rhythm guitar is pure keith .you just have to listen to keith's signature sound which he is world famous for ,as for the lead that's vintage taylor just like Mathijs says like the stones tune tops.Quote
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Ps If not being able to hear Keith on PMS is like stating Keith isn't very prominent on Honky Tonk Women.
Yes, except Mr. Jagger has been known to do a fairly credible 5-string open G Keith imitation.
How important is it to know if Taylor's overdubs are recent or not..it are overdubs btw.
Most important fact is that it is Taylor,both lead and rythm. I wouln't be surprsed if the 3th guitar isn't Taylor too, BTW It's not that difficult to sound like Keith with open G if you are a bit of a guitar player. With all respect for Keith btw,he made the sound popular.mainly by creating great songs..
You continue to post this crap. Why?
The open G rythm guitar on this track is signature Keith. It has the exact phrasing of keith, it has the same sound as various other tracks from the sessions (Tops for example), he's credited for playing it (and the Stones always have been fairly honest in their credits, see Sway and Moonlight Mile on SF), Taylor hasn't played anything in over 40 years that remotely resembles the playing and sound on this track, and he sure wouldn't be capable to pull that off these days.
It's just utter nonsense.
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Well, the pudding seems to have a different taste to different people. This kind of 'arguments' don't help to answer the question.
For me the most important fact is Taylor's statement, heard and mentioned by a member up up up here, that he did overdubs on PMS. I see no reason to doubt that statement, with all due respect for the skilled ears of all Stones 'scholars'. It's obvious that Taylor didn't hint to overdubs from about 40 years ago.
If Taylor ever made a statement that he did some overdubs it is impossible he is talking about the rhythm track, as that is Keith.
Or, of course, Taylor is stating the same crap as he stated when talking about Can't You Hear Me Knocking, that he did the intro with Keith...
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<For me the most important fact is Taylor's statement, heard and mentioned by a member up up up here, that he did overdubs on PMS. I see no reason to doubt that statement, with all due respect for the skilled ears of all Stones 'scholars'. It's obvious that Taylor didn't hint to overdubs from about 40 years ago.>
Who doubts that Taylor played on PMS? It's the rhythm track we're talking about here. The track that Amsterdammned claims he/she has proof Taylor did...
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Edit: BTW: Still waiting for any explanation from HM concerning the "bad vibe" issue.
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If I should guess, neither Keith's rhythm part or Taylor's lead part are new overdubs. If should be the case, I take back everything I've said about Don Was. Then he's done a fantastic job, making that 70s sound (that nobody manage to get these days) come to live again.
We shouldn't really take everything Taylor says in a hallway after a show for granted, imo.
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If I should guess, neither Keith's rhythm part or Taylor's lead part are new overdubs. If should be the case, I take back everything I've said about Don Was. Then he's done a fantastic job, making that 70s sound (that nobody manage to get these days) come to live again.
We shouldn't really take everything Taylor says in a hallway after a show for granted, imo.
If we don't believe anyone we will never know the truth, except Mathijs of course, because he knows everything concerning the (ex) Rolling Stones. Well, I can live with that. I want to memorize the 'fact' that Keith has said to Taylor that he's useless in the studio and the hard fact that he later invited Taylor to play on his own solo studio album (which also has happened). That seems contradictory to me and makes Keith's 'statement' not credible.
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By the way, do I now understand that the only statement we have that Taylor did some overdubs is the claim that a poster on this board heard him say that?
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Or, of course, Taylor is stating the same crap as he stated when talking about Can't You Hear Me Knocking, that he did the intro with Keith...
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<and then the testimony of one poster of hearing it from Taylor's mouth in some recent concert.>
But he didn't hear Taylor saying Plundered My Soul...
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Edit: BTW: Still waiting for any explanation from HM concerning the "bad vibe" issue.
There will be no explanation.
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If I should guess, neither Keith's rhythm part or Taylor's lead part are new overdubs. If should be the case, I take back everything I've said about Don Was. Then he's done a fantastic job, making that 70s sound (that nobody manage to get these days) come to live again.
We shouldn't really take everything Taylor says in a hallway after a show for granted, imo.
If we don't believe anyone we will never know the truth, except Mathijs of course, because he knows everything concerning the (ex) Rolling Stones. Well, I can live with that. I want to memorize the 'fact' that Keith has said to Taylor that he's useless in the studio and the hard fact that he later invited Taylor to play on his own solo studio album (which also has happened). That seems contradictory to me and makes Keith's 'statement' not credible.
Do you really believe that Keith doesn't appreciate Taylor as the excellent player he is?? Who sent the letter with "thanks for all the turn-ons" to Taylor after he chose to quit? As a stones fan, you should be familiar with Keith's ways and his sense of humour, and don't take that "useless in the studio-story" too seriously. LOL! It amazes me everytime someone takes that bait. Priceless!
BTW, Taylor and Keith also shared the stage in 1986 in NYC at Taylor's show. I have the boot They are friends, collegues and appreciate eachother's work.
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Ps If not being able to hear Keith on PMS is like stating Keith isn't very prominent on Honky Tonk Women.
Yes, except Mr. Jagger has been known to do a fairly credible 5-string open G Keith imitation.
How important is it to know if Taylor's overdubs are recent or not..it are overdubs btw.
Most important fact is that it is Taylor,both lead and rythm. I wouln't be surprsed if the 3th guitar isn't Taylor too, BTW It's not that difficult to sound like Keith with open G if you are a bit of a guitar player. With all respect for Keith btw,he made the sound popular.mainly by creating great songs..
You continue to post this crap. Why?
The open G rythm guitar on this track is signature Keith. It has the exact phrasing of keith, it has the same sound as various other tracks from the sessions (Tops for example), he's credited for playing it (and the Stones always have been fairly honest in their credits, see Sway and Moonlight Mile on SF), Taylor hasn't played anything in over 40 years that remotely resembles the playing and sound on this track, and he sure wouldn't be capable to pull that off these days.
It's just utter nonsense.
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don't think he said "useless".
I think almost all guitarists have egos. Keith definately has one, and if he was trying to find something that he thought he was better at than Mick Taylor then it would be in the studio....it was just another Keith Richards throw-away line...which he'll bring up every now and then just to let people know not to worship MT as much...as Keith knows what a brilliant player he was...but still hates the fact that MT quit the band.
Probably in the same way that he won't ever admit to saying Mick T contributed to Plundered My Soul....stubborn, ego maniac....
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By the way, do I now understand that the only statement we have that Taylor did some overdubs is the claim that a poster on this board heard him say that?
So, there actually is not any indication at all that Taylor did overdubs? It doesn't sound like overdubs, Keith, Mick and Don Was all deny it, it must have happened about a month before PMS was released, and still we are discussing it like it is true?
Am I getting this right?
I heard from a reliable source that the lyrics where actually from an old poem by Brian Jones. Please discuss.
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Again a perfect example of a good thread being wasted by the likes of Kleermaker c.s.
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Again a perfect example of a good thread being wasted by the likes of Kleermaker c.s.
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.think of what better way to make some extra sales then to float rumours of new mick taylor overdubs .