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Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Date: February 5, 2007 10:45

<He often played that opening riff to JJF at the 1989 shows.>

Which shows? I've never heard The Stones play the original opening on JJF live, not even on Rock'n'Roll Circus.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Date: February 5, 2007 10:48

<And in my humble opinion Keith's best solo is in Slave. Try and convince me otherwise.>

It's up there with Tie Me Up (The Pain Of Love) and Down In The Hole. The best Keith solos are IMO played live: Let Me Go and Under My Thumb from Still Life. Also Sympathy For The Devil on Love You Live, but I think that was overdubbed.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: LA FORUM ()
Date: February 5, 2007 13:29

You can watch him do his solo on One plus one, and it doesnt sound like Clapton at all. Typical Keith solo.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: February 5, 2007 13:48

>> You can watch him do his solo on One plus One <<

well ... you can see him playing some licks that resemble this solo.
i don't have any doubts that it's Keith, but there's no footage in the film
of him actually playing this solo per se.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: TippyToe ()
Date: February 6, 2007 01:31

Here is a clip from the Godard film. You can hear Keith playing around with the solo at about 4:50 of the clip as they are creating and recording the song.




Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: February 6, 2007 06:48

During the vocal overdubs you hear a quick playback snippet of the version with Keith on Electric and Brian on acoustic.

When I bought the film on video I excitedly rushed home thinking I would see Keith play the coolest solo ever and hear Brian's acoustic on the fast version of the song...

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: scaffer ()
Date: February 6, 2007 22:53

Keith tore up SFTD at Atlantic City in November. An excellent solo.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: Title5Take1 ()
Date: March 10, 2011 05:19

What an odd rumor: that one of the Rolling Stones did not play a solo on a Rolling Stones song, but rather "Clapton." I'd rather listen to Keith than Clapton any day.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: Glam Descendant ()
Date: March 10, 2011 05:47

>What an odd rumor: that one of the Rolling Stones did not play a solo on a Rolling Stones song

Well not really, Wayne Perkins played the solo on "Worried About You" for one example.

This SFTD/Clapton thing is tired though.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Date: March 10, 2011 11:03

...it must have been Blondie Chaplin; no doubt about that...

["I can hear the Bullfrog calling me..."]

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: dandelion1967 ()
Date: March 10, 2011 16:21

Funny, we have no news to discuss, so I bring here funny stuff:

1) Paint it black was written by Lennon/McCartney, and sold to Jagger/Richards by paying with drugs
2) Bill Wyman died in 1967, if you play backwards "Cosmic Christmas" you can hear him screaming "Turn me on, Amanda Jones"
3) Brian dind't die, he is living in an island, some say Martin Garcia in Buenos Aires.
4) Mick is not human, is a robot. Some clues can be found by playing Between the Buttons and Florwers at the same time, backwards, and at 78 spèed instead of 33
5) The Satisfaction' riff was written by Andrew Loog Oldham, who is also a robot, but there are no clues about that in the records, everybody knows that.


Opinions?

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"I'm gonna walk... before they make me run"

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Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: March 10, 2011 16:42

Quote
scaffer
Keith tore up SFTD at Atlantic City in November. An excellent solo.

Still one of the greatest shows by The Stones.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: March 10, 2011 16:56

Quote
Bingo
I've also wondered about that. Anyway, according to Keno's site:

Recorded: June 5 & 6, 8 - 10, 1968. Released on Beggars Banquet in '68.

Lead Vocal: Mick Jagger
Bass: Keith Richards
Electric Guitar: Keith Richards
Maracas, other Percussion: Bill Wyman
Drums: Charlie Watts Congas: Rocky Dijon
Piano: Nicky Hopkins
"Whoo Whoo" Vocals: Keith Richards, Brian Jones, Bill Wyman, Marianne Faithfull, Anita Pallenberg & Jimmy Miller

Huh Brian Jones among the back-up singers...eye popping smiley

isn't it even on movie when Keith plays this solos?.. Slowhand is much slower when it comes to solos...

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Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: Kirk ()
Date: March 10, 2011 17:04

To me, the man who played the solo on It's all over now is the same one with the man who played the solo on Sympathy. Same "anarchic" attack patterns with their own rhythm structure, chasing the beat, playing hide and seek and finally coming in terms with it. And the Sympathy solo is all the way Berry-influenced. As if played syncopated, ommiting certain parts. God bless his soul!

PS If someone else did it, then he must have studied Keith very well to copy him that way.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: stones78 ()
Date: March 10, 2011 17:33

This is one of the greatest solos ever. It's never quite on the beat, just floating above. And that biting tone. It's like a snake this solo. 100% Keith. Clapton is fantastic but he couldn't play like this in a million years.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: yorkey ()
Date: March 10, 2011 18:05

And the sympathy solo on Ya-Ya's is sort of similiar, just longer, and we all know that is Keith.

You got the Sun, You got the Moon,
and you've got
The Rolling Stones

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: March 10, 2011 22:57

Of course it is Keith, you can see him play (parts of) the solo in Godard's movie.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: March 10, 2011 23:00

Quote
stones78
This is one of the greatest solos ever. It's never quite on the beat, just floating above. And that biting tone. It's like a snake this solo. 100% Keith. Clapton is fantastic but he couldn't play like this in a million years.

Maybe after 5 min Clapton could play like that. I'd like to see Keith play like Clapton. Well at leat in 1968 he knew what key SFTD was in. Now he has no clue. He's incapable. It was great to watch Clapton blow them away as a guest in AC in 1989 on stage.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-03-10 23:01 by More Hot Rocks.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: stones78 ()
Date: March 11, 2011 01:44

Quote
More Hot Rocks
Quote
stones78
This is one of the greatest solos ever. It's never quite on the beat, just floating above. And that biting tone. It's like a snake this solo. 100% Keith. Clapton is fantastic but he couldn't play like this in a million years.

Maybe after 5 min Clapton could play like that. I'd like to see Keith play like Clapton. Well at leat in 1968 he knew what key SFTD was in. Now he has no clue. He's incapable. It was great to watch Clapton blow them away as a guest in AC in 1989 on stage.

That's not what I meant. Of course that as far as lead playing goes Clapton is technically about a light year better than Keith. But Clapton always plays on time. Every note falls on the beat. His Crossroads solo is a good example of that.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: KeefintheNight82 ()
Date: March 11, 2011 05:37

The crossroads solo is actually out of time. Clapton says this himself.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: stones78 ()
Date: March 11, 2011 06:08

He says is "out of time" because he's playing on the 1 & 3 instead of the 2 & 4. What I'm saying is that the notes fall on the beat, not behind or ahead.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: filstan ()
Date: March 11, 2011 07:05

Keith clearly found the passage from Nicky Hopkins who was doodling on the keyboards. It's clear in the Goddard film. The tone and phrasing is clearly Keith, game over. How can this be disputed?

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: Carnaby ()
Date: March 11, 2011 08:00

You better check out Let It Rock.

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: March 11, 2011 12:15

this is the impressing parts of the album:

Brian Jones - Mellotron, percussion, organ, flute, recorder, sitar (on "Gomper"), electric dulcimer, saxophone, concert harp
and WOW John Lennon — vocals on "Sing This All Together"


Yeah Great, and this post belongs to 'Their Satanic Majesties Request' thread..

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Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: March 11, 2011 13:05

Quote
stones78
Quote
More Hot Rocks
Quote
stones78
This is one of the greatest solos ever. It's never quite on the beat, just floating above. And that biting tone. It's like a snake this solo. 100% Keith. Clapton is fantastic but he couldn't play like this in a million years.

Maybe after 5 min Clapton could play like that. I'd like to see Keith play like Clapton. Well at leat in 1968 he knew what key SFTD was in. Now he has no clue. He's incapable. It was great to watch Clapton blow them away as a guest in AC in 1989 on stage.

That's not what I meant. Of course that as far as lead playing goes Clapton is technically about a light year better than Keith. But Clapton always plays on time. Every note falls on the beat. His Crossroads solo is a good example of that.

OK gotcha Stones78 I understand

Re: Guitar solo - Sympathy for the Devil studio track - Is it the real Keith?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 11, 2011 14:31

Quote
Come On
this is the impressing parts of the album:

Brian Jones - Mellotron, percussion, organ, flute, recorder, sitar (on "Gomper"), electric dulcimer, saxophone, concert harp
and WOW John Lennon — vocals on "Sing This All Together"


Yeah Great, and this post belongs to 'Their Satanic Majesties Request' thread..

There is no mellotron on gomper, Brian played electric dulcimer and recorder on the track, nothing else.

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