I have heard a very trustable expert - although not a source, and I cannot name it- questionned the guitar solo on SFTD studio version has being Keith's. He says it looks like, hold your breath, Clapton.

I have no idea about it. But ideed, the guitar solo on SFTD studio does not look at all the classic Keith opuses. Very speedy, very biting. By contrast, Keith is much more used too mid tempo, Berry's style lines.

I remember this was discussed few years ago at Shidobee. Someone really insisted that it is Clapton, and there finally almost a war going on over the matter.

But Keith'a greatest moment as a solo guitarist that is.

- Doxa

Keith played bass on Sympathy. (read that yesterday when researching BBanquet stuff)


IORR............but I like it!



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NO WAY is that Eric!

You hear Keith play close to some of the solo licks in the One Plus One film, minus the biting treble.

It's not me, I confess

sweet neo con : we know that, it is a different topic.

I've also wondered about that. Anyway, according to Keno's site:

Recorded: June 5 & 6, 8 - 10, 1968. Released on Beggars Banquet in '68.

Lead Vocal: Mick Jagger
Bass: Keith Richards
Electric Guitar: Keith Richards
Maracas, other Percussion: Bill Wyman
Drums: Charlie Watts Congas: Rocky Dijon
Piano: Nicky Hopkins
"Whoo Whoo" Vocals: Keith Richards, Brian Jones, Bill Wyman, Marianne Faithfull, Anita Pallenberg & Jimmy Miller

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> It's not me, I confess

hah.

Listen to the leads on Stray Cat Blues. Same biting tone, quick notes. Its keith all the way.

mercy, not this again! it's Keith, it's Keith.

>> the guitar solo on SFTD studio does not look at all the classic Keith opuses <<

maybe someone's definition of what "classic Keith" sounds like just needs some broadening. :E



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>> Listen to the leads on Stray Cat Blues. <<

listen to The Lantern, for that matter ...

and Everybody Pays Their Dues... Hot!!

It´s one of Keith´s trademark-solos! :-)

Big T

It's Keith. No doubt.

'In the sweet old country...'

as his majesties said, if you see sympathy for the devil documentary, with keith playing all those similar fast licks, you won't have a doubt about it!

It's Keith, This is not Millie Vanillie. They don''t lie about whose playing what. But that reallyis classic Keef and what he was into at that time with the treble and all.



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stonesfrk Wrote:
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> It's Keith, This is not Millie Vanillie. They
> don''t lie about whose playing what. But that
> reallyis classic Keef and what he was into at that
> time with the treble and all.

Very Sgt Pepper like tone...

Which makes me think he used the Vox Supreme or his mysterious Triumph amp for the 'biting' solo's on BB.



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His Majesty Wrote:
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> stonesfrk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's Keith, This is not Millie Vanillie. They
> > don''t lie about whose playing what. But that
> > reallyis classic Keef and what he was into at
> that
> > time with the treble and all.
>
> Very Sgt Pepper like tone...
>
> Which makes me think he used the Vox Supreme or
> his mysterious Triumph amp for 'biting' the solo's
> on BB.

Yeah i would lean more tword the Triumph, and i think the black les paul,but i'm not sure what the difference between the supreme and a regular AC 30 with Bulldogs is ?

stonesfrk Wrote:

> Yeah i would lean more tword the Triumph, and i
> think the black les paul,but i'm not sure what the
> difference between the supreme and a regular AC 30
> with Bulldogs is ?

The Supreme is all solid state for a start, they also have two channels, one normal and the other brilliant, plus tremelo, treble boost, 3 position mid range boost, fuzz and reverb.

Keith's Triumph may or may not have been solid state as well. All the Triumphs I have seen advertised from 1967-69 have been solid state, later versions were valve and are identical to Vampower and Jennings 100 watt heads.

The solid state Triumph's share similar effects to the vox's.

Triumph actually built some of the Vox amps, in particular the rare UL series.



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His Majesty Wrote:
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> stonesfrk Wrote:
>
> > Yeah i would lean more tword the Triumph, and i
> > think the black les paul,but i'm not sure what
> the
> > difference between the supreme and a regular AC
> 30
> > with Bulldogs is ?
>
> The Supreme is all solid state for a start, they
> also have two channels, one normal and the other
> brilliant, plus tremelo, treble boost, 3 position
> mid range boost, fuzz and reverb.
>
> Keith's Triumph may or may not have been solid
> state as well. All the Triumphs I have seen
> advertised from 1967-69 have been solid state,
> later versions were valve and are identical to
> Vampower and Jennings 100 watt heads.

Well it could be the supreme easily with those specs,it's hard to tell you know some Fender's are really Treblely too.

stonesfrk Wrote:

> Well it could be the supreme easily with those
> specs,it's hard to tell you know some Fender's are
> really Treblely too.

A different kind of treble I'm sure you'll agree?

It sounds Vox to me, it could also be the ol' AC30!? It's seen and used in the One plus One film.

His Majesty Wrote:
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> stonesfrk Wrote:
>
> > Yeah i would lean more tword the Triumph, and i
> > think the black les paul,but i'm not sure what
> the
> > difference between the supreme and a regular AC
> 30
> > with Bulldogs is ?
>
> The Supreme is all solid state for a start, they
> also have two channels, one normal and the other
> brilliant, plus tremelo, treble boost, 3 position
> mid range boost, fuzz and reverb.
>
> Keith's Triumph may or may not have been solid
> state as well. All the Triumphs I have seen
> advertised from 1967-69 have been solid state,
> later versions were valve and are identical to
> Vampower and Jennings 100 watt heads.
>
> The solid state Triumph's share similar effects to
> the vox's.
>
> Triumph actually built some of the Vox amps, in
> particular the rare UL series.

I think it might be the Supreme, I used to have a 1975, 100 watt Marshall combo with similar specs and it was very Bright. I could get that tone with that amp. I'm bummed i ever got rid of that one supposedly it was al di miola's too.

It sounds like classic Keith---his tone, (SCB is kind of similar), his phrasing and the clincher is the One Plus One film.

Clapton was in Cream (I think or just out of the band) at the time this was recorded and it does not sound like anything he played in Cream.

That solo was all Keith. Just look at One Plus One documentry. It was his Vox amp he played through.

That thread on Shidoobee almost became as classic as the solo we're talking about... and I was one of the people doubting that it was Keith, though I've always said it's probably him.

If Clapton had done it, it would probably have leaked out somehow. Both he and the Stones were such big names, Banquet was a big record and a lot of people involved. Very unlikely that nobody would have referred to Clapton at Olympic in 40 years time if he wasn't there.

Keith says on his own website that it was him. But that is not 100% proof either.

Anyway, if we assume it was Keith it's probably his finest virtuoso moment. I can't believe he got those fast runs and bites and bends and never recreated anything like it since. The solo on Ya-Ya's is nothing like it, although there are some more similar moments on Beggars Banquet (i.e. Stray Cat Blues). On the other hand, multiple takes, hot production, an inspired day in the studio, the spur of the moment can do wonders for any guitarist. I've recorded things myself that I find hard to understand, let alone recreate. Most of the time, though, I'm pretty sloppy. And the Stones have always been like that -- amazing on record, a sloppy garage band most of the time on stage. But now I'm getting off topic...

It, to me, is a no brainer, it's Keith. It always sounded to me like he worked out the solo in advance, which of course, does not in any way, take away from it's greatness.


As far as never topping it. I am not sure I agree with that. I think his solo (studio) in Bitch is better as is IORR.

And, I always thought Where the Boys Go was a very good solo--though I understand that there is some dispute between Keith and Woody as to which one of them it is. To me, always sounded like Keith.

Glass Slide Wrote:
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> It, to me, is a no brainer, it's Keith. It always
> sounded to me like he worked out the solo in
> advance, which of course, does not in any way,
> take away from it's greatness.
>
>
> As far as never topping it. I am not sure I agree
> with that. I think his solo (studio) in Bitch is
> better as is IORR.
>
> And, I always thought Where the Boys Go was a very
> good solo--though I understand that there is some
> dispute between Keith and Woody as to which one of
> them it is. To me, always sounded like Keith.

I agree, if you listen to Bitch there is so much stuff in there, it is more intricate then Sympathy imo too. I don't see were you guy's think sympathy is fast it is'nt to me it'''s kinda akward but it workS really well that's why i know it's Keith Clapton does'nt or has'nt ever sounded like that,not even close to that he can't play like that imo. SCB,same tone exactly pretty much. He played Sympathy at the LA forum this tour really close to the album near the end of the soloimo.

Definitely, it is not hard, really at all from a technical standpoint--but it fits the song perfectly--really contributes to the "darkness" of the tune and helps take it to the next part where Mick comes in with the "Can ya tell me baby..."


Bitch, to me, sounded like a guy who was playing at higher technical level as a result of being on the road and really getting his "chops" going. That is a tremendous solo.

At the Garden 1/18/06, he started the Sympathy solo off with the same opening riff and COMPLETELY (and I mean COMPLETELY) whiffed on it. My buddy and I were like "What was that?" lol It was so bad it was funny.

Glass Slide Wrote:
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> Definitely, it is not hard, really at all from a
> technical standpoint--but it fits the song
> perfectly--really contributes to the "darkness" of
> the tune and helps take it to the next part where
> Mick comes in with the "Can ya tell me baby..."
>
>
> Bitch, to me, sounded like a guy who was playing
> at higher technical level as a result of being on
> the road and really getting his "chops" going.
> That is a tremendous solo.
>
> At the Garden 1/18/06, he started the Sympathy
> solo off with the same opening riff and COMPLETELY
> (and I mean COMPLETELY) whiffed on it. My buddy
> and I were like "What was that?" lol It was so bad
> it was funny.

Yeah i know what you mean i saw alot of show's this tour fortunatly, and in the begginig of the tour he ripped in sympathy,i noticed about half way through the tour sympathy was terrible and then near the end of the tour he tore it up again. I think he get's bored with it at times from playing it every night. I totally agree like i said about Bitch way more stuff in there if you really listen to it closely, then you think,he was really into at that time like you said coming off the road or just playing everyday all day long to boot. Sympathy studio version is great though with the piercing high treble and the funky way he''''s hitting the notes. unreal tone spine tingling.

My vote is Bitch is Keef's finest solo studio moment by a mile. I always thought is was MT until onetime a heard Keef in an interview and he said soemthing like "I practice that solo everyday" ANd the interviewer mentioned something about Chuck Berry style and then moving backwards into the songs with it.

After taht I listened to it agian and sure enough- its Keef. Problem is, he rarely if ever duplicates it live.

I think Keef usually needs several cracks at it to reach the "technical" level that MT reaches by just rolling out of bed. No shot at Keef (and MT and just about anybody else can spend a lifetime and not invent a great riff, while Keff can invent a million of em by just rolling uut of bed)