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Maybe: deadline for finishing recordings next album = Xmas 2024 .... album release: 30-May-2025 .... European Tour: 31-Aug-2025 - 31-Oct-2025 .... would look like a doable timeline.

bv quite clearly said (right above your post) that the Stones will be touring behind HD.
Thus it's very unlikely that another album will be released before that played Europe (and maybe other places)

The thing is...HD left the charts months ago.

It last charted on the US Top 200 in December and on the sales only chart in January, the US tour did nothing to bring the album back on the chart, not even in the sales only list.

In Europe, it left the UK Top 100 in late January and lasted until March in the last european countries (Austria, Germany), the album is off the radar for 6 months at least, no new single, no airplay, no sales.

Touring behind HD in 10 months from now makes no sense at all, the album is already yesterday's pappers, let alone in a year.

But a new one released just in time for the European tour in May/June 2025 is another story, the band can promote it during 3 months on the road and even spark some interest on HD too, but for that, it should be finished by December/Early January for a mid 2025 release.

wishful thinking, I'd say.
In fact, some 98% of the audience don't care about new songs/albums when they decide to buy tickets for a Stones show. In other words – a new album doesn't sell more tickets and shows don't really promote albums anymore (at least not for the Stones)

The Stones' public musical memory stops at 1981 and Start Me Up. Indeed, they didn't need new material to tour. I don't remember hearing Angry on the radio, as if it had been forgotten.

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It's unfortunately true that the vast majority of a Stones audience , want greatest hits only . Most would think something like Sad Sad Sad and Angry where from the same "new" song era . they are 34 years apart !

I try to put myself in their shoes if I go to see someone I'm not that familiar with. I'm thinking about bands like Kiss , Def Leppard who I enjoyed because they both kept it familiar . If they'd starting doing deep cuts, I'm sure I'd have felt differently.

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18 months marketing for Hackney Diamonds? Then they must release new singles from the album. Or something. Is that album still on the charts?

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Is that album still on the charts?

In Germany it was on 26-Jul-2024 at #67 in the [www.OffizielleCharts.de] .

They have a good bit of numbers finished musically. But need to cut vocals and background vocals on most. And likely want to write a few new ones.

That’s what they will do unless Mick changes his mind. Ronnie and Keith are keen to go back into the studio.

Keep your ears open near the end of the year.

In 1990 the Stones toured with the same album - Steel Wheels - and played songs from the album but called the second tour "Urban Jungle" instead of "Steel Wheels".
Mick still called them "some new songs"...
[www.youtube.com]
... but they were performed a year after they were released. Of course a year after Hackney would be October 2024 - so I guess it makes sense to publish something new. I am ready!

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Of course a year after Hackney would be October 2024 - so I guess it makes sense to publish something new.

And if they would tour Europe similar to 2017, then Hackney Diamonds would be October 2025.

If they are going to market HD for 18 months a new album within that time frame would be illogical.
If they only tour Europe next they will have some time to finish up the next album though and maybe release it after or during the Europe summer tour in 2025?

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They have a good bit of numbers finished musically. But need to cut vocals and background vocals on most. And likely want to write a few new ones.

That’s what they will do unless Mick changes his mind. Ronnie and Keith are keen to go back into the studio.

Keep your ears open near the end of the year.

Thank you for the VERY promising info!

And, of course, I do hope they finish this second album.

In case, it would be the shortest gap since two albums since when? The early 70s?

Keep my fingers crossed!

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If given the choice, I would prefer European tour.

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If given the choice, I would prefer European tour.

Same here! European tour is expected to promote HD!
New album they may do after... Of course they will choose what they want / or what is better for the business

Perhaps they can finally play those Cardiff Castle/Pembroke Castle gigs they were due to play in 1973?

We can but dream.....

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Thinking of the Thunder Ridge show on the recent North American tour, usual stadiums, festivals and parks aside, if the Stones were to do a special outdoor show in your country (European tour - 2025) where would it be? For me, one of the most special and magical places the Stones could play in England (but they have never done so before) is the Eden project.


[www.edensessions.com]

The Who and Elton John have played before so...we can dream right?

Anyway, a bit of fun. Other places in UK could of course include castles which have seen a resurgence in recent years for gigs (but probably unrealistic for the Stones...).

Perhaps they can finally play those Cardiff Castle/Pembroke Castle gigs they were due to play in 1973?

We can but dream.....

The Pembroke Castle would have been my first Stones concert

Can't wait for the next update on sessions.do you think there 2 full releases ready..like the outtakes or
Black and blue expansion??

No idea whether some expanded edition/s is/are in the pipeline, but when HD was released, Mick famously said they are already about two thirds done with the next album (I understood this like two thirds of the songs are in the can and ready to go, but who knows if this interpretation is correct). That is, in principle there would be ample time to finish the album in time for a subsequent Summer tour of Europe.

But for the moment there isn't much more we can do than wait and see what happens.

I’ve heard that the set list for the next tour will ALL be by song vote.
(I have a very rich fantasy life.)

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Most would think something like Sad Sad Sad and Angry where from the same "new" song era . they are 34 years apart !

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You are right - and what an astonishing number. And after I looked at all the tours after the second to last album - Blue and Lonesome - I do not see a new album at all. They just called it No Filter for a few years. So maybe they will just tour with HD in 2025.

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The Pembroke Castle would have been my first Stones concert

Cardiff would have been my sister's ....

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The Pembroke Castle would have been my first Stones concert

It would have been mine too.

But I didn't go.

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No idea whether some expanded edition/s is/are in the pipeline, but when HD was released, Mick famously said they are already about two thirds done with the next album (I understood this like two thirds of the songs are in the can and ready to go, but who knows if this interpretation is correct). That is, in principle there would be ample time to finish the album in time for a subsequent Summer tour of Europe.

But for the moment there isn't much more we can do than wait and see what happens.

Trouble is, what Mick thinks is pretty much finished today, tomorrow he might decide he doesn't like it so much and will want to rework it.

I think one of the things Andrew Watt managed to do was to stop them procrastinating so much ...and that's the trap they need to stay away from for a n early release of the next helping.

I do love all the posts on this thread about a 2025 Stones tour. And the enormous sense of expectation, and even entitlement, that surrounds them. Then there are the suggestions about possible further recordings, expanding existing albums, special anniversary resisues and the rest.

That is one heck of a workload for three guys with an average age of over seventy nine years. I know they have defied the clock for longer than any of us could have expected. I know they have laughed in the face of time itself. And I know they appear impervious to the kind of pressures that crush mere humans. But come on! Give them a wee break. Even Mick Jagger cannot ALWAYS be superhuman. Never mind Keith or Ronnie. Yes they might do another album. Then again they may not. We have all heard there is some material already in the can. However IF they do, it will not because any further touring will need it. The Stones could crank out 20 warhorses each of which is over 40 years old and the punters will lap it up. Sad but true.

I know people who go to Stones concerts hoping and praying for warhorses. And only warhorses. To these good people, anything other than Start Me Up is far too new and radical. They want a set list built around material from the 60s and 70s. Those Stones tracks on endless rotation on 'gold' radio stations.
Those of us who would like something fresh, new and invigorating are in a very small minority. But let us be grateful for the last couple of albums. Blue & Lonesome and Hackney Diamonds. Reminders of what The Stones can do when they resist the temptation to play for the multitudes and show a bit of creativity.

They used to be like that always back in the day. But those days are long gone...

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I do love all the posts on this thread about a 2025 Stones tour. And the enormous sense of expectation, and even entitlement, that surrounds them. Then there are the suggestions about possible further recordings, expanding existing albums, special anniversary resisues and the rest.

That is one heck of a workload for three guys with an average age of over seventy nine years. I know they have defied the clock for longer than any of us could have expected. I know they have laughed in the face of time itself. And I know they appear impervious to the kind of pressures that crush mere humans. But come on! Give them a wee break. Even Mick Jagger cannot ALWAYS be superhuman. Never mind Keith or Ronnie. Yes they might do another album. Then again they may not. We have all heard there is some material already in the can. However IF they do, it will not because any further touring will need it. The Stones could crank out 20 warhorses each of which is over 40 years old and the punters will lap it up. Sad but true.

I know people who go to Stones concerts hoping and praying for warhorses. And only warhorses. To these good people, anything other than Start Me Up is far too new and radical. They want a set list built around material from the 60s and 70s. Those Stones tracks on endless rotation on 'gold' radio stations.
Those of us who would like something fresh, new and invigorating are in a very small minority. But let us be grateful for the last couple of albums. Blue & Lonesome and Hackney Diamonds. Reminders of what The Stones can do when they resist the temptation to play for the multitudes and show a bit of creativity.

They used to be like that always back in the day. But those days are long gone...

A good post. My thought is this: yes, I suspect the Stones will tour next year; but when will many of the die-bard’s amongst us except that ‘it’s over’? After a 2025 run, I’m almost certain we’ll read choruses of ‘2026!, 2026!’ It simply has to end, one day.

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I do love all the posts on this thread about a 2025 Stones tour. And the enormous sense of expectation, and even entitlement, that surrounds them. Then there are the suggestions about possible further recordings, expanding existing albums, special anniversary resisues and the rest.

That is one heck of a workload for three guys with an average age of over seventy nine years. I know they have defied the clock for longer than any of us could have expected. I know they have laughed in the face of time itself. And I know they appear impervious to the kind of pressures that crush mere humans. But come on! Give them a wee break. Even Mick Jagger cannot ALWAYS be superhuman. Never mind Keith or Ronnie. Yes they might do another album. Then again they may not. We have all heard there is some material already in the can. However IF they do, it will not because any further touring will need it. The Stones could crank out 20 warhorses each of which is over 40 years old and the punters will lap it up. Sad but true.

I know people who go to Stones concerts hoping and praying for warhorses. And only warhorses. To these good people, anything other than Start Me Up is far too new and radical. They want a set list built around material from the 60s and 70s. Those Stones tracks on endless rotation on 'gold' radio stations.
Those of us who would like something fresh, new and invigorating are in a very small minority. But let us be grateful for the last couple of albums. Blue & Lonesome and Hackney Diamonds. Reminders of what The Stones can do when they resist the temptation to play for the multitudes and show a bit of creativity.

They used to be like that always back in the day. But those days are long gone...

A good post. My thought is this: yes, I suspect the Stones will tour next year; yet I cannot help but wonder whether many of the so-called die-bard’s amongst us will ever be capable of accepting that ‘it’s over’? After a 2025 run, I’m almost certain we’ll read choruses of ‘2026!, 2026!’ It simply has to end, one day.

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It's not over until it's OVER.

But anyone planning more than 1 tour ahead with the Stones needs to put a quarter in the "don't jar".

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It's not over until it's OVER.

But anyone planning more than 1 tour ahead with the Stones needs to put a quarter in the "don't jar".

Indeed! Spot on sir. But there will always be those who think that somehow they will do another 2-3 tours. Somewhere on another thread there are posts saying that Jagger can EASILY (!!!) go on until he's at least 85...

Don't 'cha jest love it!!!

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Somewhere on another thread there are posts saying that Jagger can EASILY (!!!) go on until he's at least 85...

I personnaly think Jagger will go on solo when the band is no more, through periodic collaborations with younger people.
The Grohl/Jagger joint effort set the way for Mick's last musical chapter of his life.
Wanna bet?

I can see other 2/3 years on the road with a new studio album; Europe next year with the new album, and a final short tour in 2026/27 in the major city worldwide (5 Aussie/NZ gigs, 5 South American gigs, 5 Japan/Asian gigs, 5 Nort American gigs and 5 European gigs with a couple of final gigs in London).
This is my 5 cents prediction.

They will continue, tour by tour, forever, as long as health allows. That's why I think it is useless to predict anything, since any prediction is based on speculating about their health, and that's not civil. And actually none of our business.

Like Horace once put it: Carpe diem. Or like Keith Richards updated it: "I'll just keep on rocking, and hope for the best".

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