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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 20, 2024 23:29




Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 21, 2024 05:20

The end of the album with Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight and Sweet Sounds Of Heaven might be the best closing run of a Stones album.

They've done similar with sequencing before, obviously TATTOO YOU, but I think EMOTIONAL RESCUE gets a nod. SSOH has a fantastic ending. The horns.... it's very 1971/1972 Stones.

Oh shit, having had that playing, now Rollin' Stone Blues and my dog is, once again, how many times? I don't know - howling.

I've played Muddy's version... nothing.

Rolling Stones... dog is howling.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: October 21, 2024 05:38

One of the coolest moments on the album, “Rolling Stone Blues,” is just Mick and Keith. Whose idea was that?
I was sitting with Keith while we’re doing overdubs, and he’s
playing a little bit with his acoustic while he’s talking to me.
So I asked him, “How did you and Mick meet?” He told me the story
[about meeting Mick at Dartford Station]. When they got their
first gig, Keith was on the phone, and the promoter said,
“What do you call yourselves?” And he saw The Best of Muddy Waters
face down, and track five is a song called ‘Rollin’ Stone.’
So he just said, ‘The Rollin’ Stones.'”

I asked, “Have you guys ever played that song?” I’m thinking,
“Oh, @#$%&, you’ve asked the dumbest question. He’s gonna say,
‘Obviously, yes.'” And he said, “Actually, no. We’ve never
played it.” And my heart sinks to my chest. I’m like,
“Would you play it? You named the band after it.”
He said, “I would love to play it. I know it
backwards and forwards. Would Mick do it?” I’m like, “Let me call him.”

How did the session end up going?
We set it up with one microphone in the middle of the two of them.
On each take, they move closer and closer together.
And even on the recording that we chose — which I
believe is take four — the timing is wobbly and cool.
By the end of the song, they’re somehow literally playing
the same licks at the same exact time. If you listen to
the final 30 seconds of the song, they’re literally playing
the same inversion in the harp and the guitar, the same notes,
the same rhythms — they become one another.

Andrew Watt 2023



ROCKMAN

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 21, 2024 06:20

Treacle, why you bite my head off when you live by the sword? You think I'm gonna mess it up all for you? I won't lie! Depending on you, tell me straight - don't get angry with me. Where I live it hasn't rained for a month, we're not allowed to burn, these rules are driving me too hard - why you angry with me? Why you angry?

There's no rain beating on my window pane. Hurricane Oscar is far away, which for my people is the sweet sounds of heaven. There's dreamy skies here. In the whole wide world a hurricane isn't here for once. Oscar didn't even get close. Might as well be off to Brazil with a blindfold on his eyes.

I'm not angry with you. Why you angry with me? Why you angry? Don't get angry with me. Why you angry? Don't be angry with me. Everyone is asking questions. I've got one or two. Why you angry?

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: October 21, 2024 16:44

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GasLightStreet
Treacle, why you bite my head off when you live by the sword? You think I'm gonna mess it up all for you? I won't lie! Depending on you, tell me straight - don't get angry with me. Where I live it hasn't rained for a month, we're not allowed to burn, these rules are driving me too hard - why you angry with me? Why you angry?

There's no rain beating on my window pane. Hurricane Oscar is far away, which for my people is the sweet sounds of heaven. There's dreamy skies here. In the whole wide world a hurricane isn't here for once. Oscar didn't even get close. Might as well be off to Brazil with a blindfold on his eyes.

I'm not angry with you. Why you angry with me? Why you angry? Don't get angry with me. Why you angry? Don't be angry with me. Everyone is asking questions. I've got one or two. Why you angry?

I also love alcohol. I think they make dark rum from treacle.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: October 21, 2024 23:58

Keith was on the phone? The story forever and ever is that Brian was on the phone with the promoter, and named the band.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 23, 2024 19:21

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24FPS
Keith was on the phone? The story forever and ever is that Brian was on the phone with the promoter, and named the band.

Watt must've misheard Keith. Then again, Rollin' Stone is track 5 on the album. The mythology just flows with them.


Keith Richards: Coming up with the name Rolling Stones

Brian came up with the name (Rolling Stones). It was a phone call - which cost money - and we were down to pennies... We got a gig at last, so we said, "Call up Jazz News, put in an advert". So Brian gaily dials away - and they say Who? We hadn't got a name and every second was costing a precious farthing. There's a Muddy Waters record face down - The Best of Muddy Waters - and the first song was Rollin' Stone Blues. Brian had a panicked look on his face - he said I don't know... the Rolling Stones. That's the reason we're called the Rolling Stones.... Our first gig was... at the Marquee.


[www.timeisonourside.com]

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: doitywoik ()
Date: October 23, 2024 20:11

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GasLightStreet
I've played Muddy's version... nothing.

Rolling Stones... dog is howling.

Now is this good or bad? winking smiley

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 23, 2024 22:18

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GasLightStreet
I've played Muddy's version... nothing.

Rolling Stones... dog is howling.

Now is this good or bad? winking smiley

I think it's hilarious. Gonna work on figuring out why she only howls to the Stones version.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: October 23, 2024 23:30

She senses the album is about to end ...
Wants you to replay it ...



ROCKMAN

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: October 24, 2024 18:40

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I've played Muddy's version... nothing.

Rolling Stones... dog is howling.

Now is this good or bad? winking smiley

I think it's hilarious. Gonna work on figuring out why she only howls to the Stones version.

Where is she with Little Red Rooster?

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 24, 2024 21:44

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I've played Muddy's version... nothing.

Rolling Stones... dog is howling.

Now is this good or bad? winking smiley

I think it's hilarious. Gonna work on figuring out why she only howls to the Stones version.

Where is she with Little Red Rooster?

Haven't listened to that in a long time. I think it's the harmonica and just a couple of certain notes.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 30, 2024 07:39

I've just had Bite My Head Off cranking loud.

The bass is... McCartney's playing is, fantastically, nothing magical: there's not anything actually special about his playing. It could be Keith.

Obviously if they'd gotten Mick Taylor or, for that matter, David Gilmour, to play whatever on whatever... it would be way more obvious (Plundered My Soul proves that).

Mess It Up... Charlie.

Considering how long that song was worked on it wouldn't be any surprise that it's a few takes edited together instead of one or two from just when they printed it.

Remember that Mick IG video about tell the truth?

Live By The Sword with Bill Wyman... the mix treats it as usual. Does it stand out? Of course it does - Darryl doesn't play like that. Is it obvious? Not really.

That's how good Darryl has been.

Or.

That's just the song.

Is it any better than... that's subjective, but Bill does roll it octave wise and it's really nice - it sounds like a SOME GIRLS/EMOTIONAL RESCUE/UNDERCOVER leftover for that matter.

A year past release... HACKNEY DIAMONDS truly is a fantastic album regardless of their eras. They're beyond "saying anything" - they're saying what they want.

In regard to when, it's an excellent album.

In regard to their legacy, it's a great album.

I'm a bitch about UNDERCOVER being their last creative album as artists and a band, and it sonically proves that. Songwriting wise... it's nowhere near previous efforts, overall, but as an album it's beyond, not "better" but in a truly different way, beyond what they'd ever done, a completely different atmosphere, not classic Stones, obviously, but it's certainly the end of an era of daring inventiveness. It really is a sound album.

In regard of that kind of inventiveness dialing back to simplicity, HD has the essence of STICKY FINGERS, really.


After numerous more playings of Rollin' Stone... I'm convinced it's Mick and Keith that makes my dog howl.

Why Muddy's version doesn't I haven't figured out. But The Rolling Stones playing Rollin' Stone makes my dog howl - and after watching her after 50 some times recently it's not just the harmonica, it's also Mick's voice, the melody. Can't figure out if it's Keith's guitar... it' seems to be the more prominent sounds.

More work to be done ha ha.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: October 30, 2024 12:21

Skippy, in regard to Macca's contribution in Bite song: that there aren't anything distinct - except he is allowed to play that funny sounding bass solo - I think that is as it should be. He is just one of the band, not really adding anything idiosyncratic excellence to make a difference, but just serving a song - and not just any song, but a Rolling Stones song. That it could have been Keith - that's a compliment in my book! A good work, Paul.

And great for Paul also that he finally had a chance to play in a proper rock and roll band...grinning smiley

- Doxa



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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 30, 2024 21:27

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Doxa
Skippy, in regard to Macca's contribution in Bite song: that there aren't anything distinct - except he is allowed to play that funny sounding bass solo - I think that is as it should be. He is just one of the band, not really adding anything idiosyncratic excellence to make a difference, but just serving a song - and not just any song, but a Rolling Stones song. That it could have been Keith - that's a compliment in my book! A good work, Paul.

And great for Paul also that he finally had a chance to play in a proper rock and roll band...grinning smiley

- Doxa

Yeah! That's the beauty of it. The distorted bit is appropriate. Just McCartney finally playing with The Rolling Stones is fantastic. AND!!!??? There's another one!!!

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 30, 2024 21:31

I played the album all the way through last night. It's still just as awesome as it was a year ago. Although I didn't care for Sweet Sounds... it really does have the essence of being a leftover STICKY FINGERS track. It's really good.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: October 30, 2024 23:11

Then you took a break for a couple of days for your session with Paul McCartney before he recorded with the band. How did the band pick “Bite My Head Off” for him?
It would be expected to have him play on a great big ballad like “Depending on You,” or one of the softer songs to get that “melodic Paul McCartney” thing. But you’ve got to also understand, Paul McCartney loves to @#$%& rock. So I thought, “Why not pick the most punk-rock @#$%& song — the one where everyone’s on 10 the whole time — and let these guys have the time of their lives rocking out together?”

Paul really digs into it during his solo, too. How did he get that sound?
I had just gotten Paul a ’64 Hoffner, a lefty one, as a present. He was like, “Why are you giving me this bass? I obviously have my famous one from the Beatles. I don’t need another.” I said, “Just touch that switch right there.” My guitar tech, Mark, put in a Univox Super Fuzz circuit into the bass, so when he hit one of the Hoffner switches it gives the loudest, most wicked fuzz bass you ever heard in your life. So he was crying laughing. He had that as his secret weapon.

So Paul comes in, learns the song, everyone’s playing around a little bit, we start going for takes, Paul stands up. All of a sudden, Ron stands up, Keith stands up, Mick drags a mic into the @#$%& center of the room, and I swear to God, the roof left the @#$%& building. I can’t explain what that feels like, but it was the Stones and the Beatles. It wasn’t heavy for them; it was a @#$%& blast. And the smile on Paul’s face kept getting bigger and bigger. We did three or four takes of that. And Paul hit the switch during his bass solo, and Mick literally goes, “Come on, Paul, let’s hear something” in his Liverpool accent. Like, you can’t make it up. Everyone was on fire. We did another tune because we were having so much fun.

Just how much fun did Paul have?
When I was walking Paul out, he literally was like, “I just played @#$%& bass with the Stones — and I’m a @#$%& Beatle.” He literally said those words. These guys were literally like they were 18 again, and you can hear it in the recording. It’s ferocious.



ROCKMAN

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 30, 2024 23:30

It's really cool that McCartney did that. It's too bad they don't do a lot more. And whatever McCartney and Keith wrote in the Turks... if either of them can bother to remember.

But perhaps it would be viewed as a novelty or 'just trying to sell'... well, of course they're "just trying to sell" - but it's not because they're screwing anyone over, it's WHY NOT.

Can anyone tell that Elton John is on... whatever he's on? Get Close and Live By The Sword. I can't. That's probably the point.

Sonny Rollins - well, that's obvious. Sugar Blue... that's obvious.

The best piano on the album is Keith's bluesy New Orleans rolls in Tell Me Straight.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 30, 2024 23:48

My dog.

Was comparing Crackin' Up from LOVE YOU LIVE and EL MOCAMBO (impossible to hear the live vocal bleed through on 1977, easy to hear it on LYL) and thought... since I'm doing that... lined up Muddy and the Stones.

It's the harmonica.

I played Muddy's... nothing.

Played the Stones... nothing - and then the harmonica and howlllll.

I'm going to see if I can find any other Stones in E songs with harmonica to figure out if it's the notes, the progression or both.



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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: October 31, 2024 02:07





Speaking of people the Stones have known since the Sixties, when did Bill Wyman play on “Live by the Sword”?
We moved to London for the Christmas season. And that’s when we had Bill Wyman come in and play bass. I was like, “Why don’t we get Bill to play?” Mick was like, “Let’s see what Keith thinks and see if that’s a good idea.” And Keith thought it was a good idea. Mick sent Bill an email, and he said he would love to. We got him to play bass on one of the songs with Charlie [that the band recorded around 2019], which was fabulous.
What did Bill say about the session?
He’s 86 years old. He wanted to make sure he was getting it right. I’d sent him the song before so he could familiarize himself with it. We soloed up Charlie, and he started playing along, and as he was doing it, he started having so much fun. He was smiling and laughing, and stories came back to him with Charlie. And I remember him saying, “Now it’s swinging, now it’s swinging.” And I can just imagine that that was something he had said to Charlie in the past. That’s such a rhythm-section thing.
Elton John also played piano on “Live by the Sword.” Mick told me he didn’t think Elton would want to do it since he wouldn’t be singing.
When we were doing “Live by the Sword,” we were talking about getting a honky-tonk, almost Jerry Lee Lewis/Nicky Hopkins piano part for that. I thought, “Why not get Elton?” Number one, he’s @#$%& Elton John. Number two, nobody in the world plays that style better than Elton. Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard are his gods. He’s a student of that piano playing.
It was so great watching Mick bounce off him and call for things. And Elton was like a session musician that day. He was playing an upright piano, not a grand, so he got that sound, and he just ripped through it and played off the guitars so beautifully. The way Elton was playing, it almost got this T. Rex-y kind of thing. It was great seeing him say, “Mick, what did you think of that?” And Mick saying, “Could you play a little more melodic in the bridge? How about a line here?” It was great to watch those guys collaborating.
So Mick was wrong: It was special to Elton.
Elton loves to play. He started as a session musician. Just like Paul was so excited, Elton was like, “I just @#$%& played with the Rolling Stones.” Everyone had a smile on their face.




Andrew Watts with Kory Grow 2023



ROCKMAN

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 31, 2024 08:22

Considering the feud it's amazing, really, that Elton John... interesting how there was zero said.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Date: October 31, 2024 09:30

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GasLightStreet
Considering the feud it's amazing, really, that Elton John... interesting how there was zero said.

I think they buried the hatchet years ago smiling smiley


Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: October 31, 2024 09:50

The English are like that ...
They can sling shit at each other
one day .. then the next they're havin a cuppa tea tagether ...



ROCKMAN

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: October 31, 2024 10:16

You can criticize Elton John for his Liberace life style I guess. But no one can deny his obvious talent, both as a musician and artist.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: November 1, 2024 09:14

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Stoneage
You can criticize Elton John for his Liberace life style I guess.

I don't know if anyone is really criticizing him for that - a typical behavior of an English aristocrat who is dining with the kings, etc. But I recall someone criticizing him for singing too much for dead blondes...

- Doxa



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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: November 1, 2024 11:24

I know, Doxa. And I remember Eltons reply also... (by the way, Sir Elton; despite his knighthood was never an aristocrat. Neither is Sir Michael). They made a class trip though.



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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 1, 2024 21:46

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Stoneage
You can criticize Elton John for his Liberace life style I guess. But no one can deny his obvious talent, both as a musician and artist.

Who's criticizing him?

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: November 2, 2024 12:38

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GasLightStreet
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Stoneage
You can criticize Elton John for his Liberace life style I guess. But no one can deny his obvious talent, both as a musician and artist.

Who's criticizing him?

No one - but Keith did.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: mick64 ()
Date: November 2, 2024 18:48

Will the one that comes out on the 6th have a sticker like the other editions?

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 2, 2024 19:06

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Stoneage
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Stoneage
You can criticize Elton John for his Liberace life style I guess. But no one can deny his obvious talent, both as a musician and artist.

Who's criticizing him?

No one - but Keith did.

It wasn't about his Liberace life style.

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