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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
Of course it's subjective what is their best live release. MOCAMBO is in the top 5 for me. Is it their best? Time will tell.
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No, this is not the complete setlist. For the first night it even says most likely incomplete in the notes.
I also doubt they opened with Route 66.
They actually did open with Route 66. Small portion of a story from someone who there both nights. Bottom right, "they kick off with Route 66 as everyone in the place immediately stands on tables and chiars."
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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
I like the way Wood and Richards played in 1975-1977 much better than the so called two guitar one sound of1978-1981.You are a extremely knowledgeable about guitar playing, but I think the weaving sound was not as good a listening experience. And the band wasn’t as goodQuote
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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
I said 'this is their best OFFICIAL live release'.
To me, nothing beats the Brussels Affair bootleg, with the Wembley version of Happy, GS and SFM instead of the Brussels version. But this is also partially nostalgia, as I have listened to this boot since I was 10, and basically learned how to play guitar over it.
All the rest is just taste. I love the pure and raw energy of 1972 Stones, and Taylor is a fabulous lead player, but as a band they indeed got better with age, culminating into their best ever performance at Hampton 1981.
I find Charlie Watts to be at his peak on the 1975 tour, and the Mocambo recording is an excellent showcase of that. Wyman got better and better, going from decent in the early 1970's to this terrific melodic bass player in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
And for as much as I love Taylor's leads, as a musician and guitar player I simply find the interplay of Wood and Richards way more interesting, and much harder to do right. There's a dozen Mick Taylor's out their being able to play amazing solo's, but nobody can play these intricate Wood and Richards rhythm lines where two parts become much more than just that. What Wood and Richards where able to pull off in 1978 and 1981 on a good night hasn't been bettered ever since.
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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
I said 'this is their best OFFICIAL live release'.
To me, nothing beats the Brussels Affair bootleg, with the Wembley version of Happy, GS and SFM instead of the Brussels version. But this is also partially nostalgia, as I have listened to this boot since I was 10, and basically learned how to play guitar over it.
All the rest is just taste. I love the pure and raw energy of 1972 Stones, and Taylor is a fabulous lead player, but as a band they indeed got better with age, culminating into their best ever performance at Hampton 1981.
I find Charlie Watts to be at his peak on the 1975 tour, and the Mocambo recording is an excellent showcase of that. Wyman got better and better, going from decent in the early 1970's to this terrific melodic bass player in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
And for as much as I love Taylor's leads, as a musician and guitar player I simply find the interplay of Wood and Richards way more interesting, and much harder to do right. There's a dozen Mick Taylor's out their being able to play amazing solo's, but nobody can play these intricate Wood and Richards rhythm lines where two parts become much more than just that. What Wood and Richards where able to pull off in 1978 and 1981 on a good night hasn't been bettered ever since.
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I have never been able to get into 1981 because it seems safe and there is a sax playing over everything the whole time it seems. The KC gig was interesting because Taylor was there, but I’ve never been floored by the performances.
I prefer Hopkins to any other piano player they’ve had and I love the Keys/Price tasteful horn combo as well.
Which songs on this release have that intricate Richards/Wood guitar playing? It’s definitely not the end of Jumpin Jack!
I doubt there is nobody else could play those intricate guitar parts Wood-Richards played in1978-1981.As many as the lead guitarists you say Could play Taylor’s parts.In fact there are moments where Taylor and Richards do that, like the alternate All Down the Line from the Exile Deluxe release .But personally,I think that two guitar one sound band wasn’t as good live as1975-1977Quote
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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
I said 'this is their best OFFICIAL live release'.
To me, nothing beats the Brussels Affair bootleg, with the Wembley version of Happy, GS and SFM instead of the Brussels version. But this is also partially nostalgia, as I have listened to this boot since I was 10, and basically learned how to play guitar over it.
All the rest is just taste. I love the pure and raw energy of 1972 Stones, and Taylor is a fabulous lead player, but as a band they indeed got better with age, culminating into their best ever performance at Hampton 1981.
I find Charlie Watts to be at his peak on the 1975 tour, and the Mocambo recording is an excellent showcase of that. Wyman got better and better, going from decent in the early 1970's to this terrific melodic bass player in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
And for as much as I love Taylor's leads, as a musician and guitar player I simply find the interplay of Wood and Richards way more interesting, and much harder to do right. There's a dozen Mick Taylor's out their being able to play amazing solo's, but nobody can play these intricate Wood and Richards rhythm lines where two parts become much more than just that. What Wood and Richards where able to pull off in 1978 and 1981 on a good night hasn't been bettered ever since.
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I have never been able to get into 1981 because it seems safe and there is a sax playing over everything the whole time it seems. The KC gig was interesting because Taylor was there, but I’ve never been floored by the performances.
I prefer Hopkins to any other piano player they’ve had and I love the Keys/Price tasteful horn combo as well.
Which songs on this release have that intricate Richards/Wood guitar playing? It’s definitely not the end of Jumpin Jack!
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Mathijs
Asolute fave's: Shattered, Black Lima, Imagination (no better Wyman than here, and Richards/Wood and Ernie Watts keep going for 10 minutes), Go-Go, Beast of Burden (best guitar interplay ever), Waiting on A Friend (with Richards playing the part everybody thinks Taylor does on record) and the mighty Let it Bleed with Keith's best solo of the day. Then Miss You is the best -and last ever - version.
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JordyLicks96
Ok, call me a crazy mama (no pun intended) but is the version of Crazy Mama a mix of the March 4th show and March 5th show? I'm listening to them side by side and I'm hearing a lot of similarities and differences:
Differences: March 4th he sings "If you don't believe I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna bust your knees with a bullet" while March 5th he sings "If you don't believe I'm gonna do it, wait for the speed of the bullet."
Similar: March 4th & 5th he says, "You gonna pay high prices for your sacrifices, yes you will child."
Am I crazy? lol
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Asolute fave's: Shattered, Black Lima, Imagination (no better Wyman than here, and Richards/Wood and Ernie Watts keep going for 10 minutes), Go-Go, Beast of Burden (best guitar interplay ever), Waiting on A Friend (with Richards playing the part everybody thinks Taylor does on record) and the mighty Let it Bleed with Keith's best solo of the day. Then Miss You is the best -and last ever - version.
I would add When the whip comes down as a real Bill Wyman showcase.
I read what you write about Ernie's role. There are a few moments that it's a bit
too much to my taste, but yeah, otherwise great, great, great.
It's amazing how much more I am attracted to the Hampton show than the Wembley 1982.
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TravelinMan
I have never been able to get into 1981 because it seems safe and there is a sax playing over everything the whole time it seems. The KC gig was interesting because Taylor was there, but I’ve never been floored by the performances.
I prefer Hopkins to any other piano player they’ve had and I love the Keys/Price tasteful horn combo as well.
Which songs on this release have that intricate Richards/Wood guitar playing? It’s definitely not the end of Jumpin Jack!
Just listen to Hampton five times and you will find out it really is one of their best gigs. Ernie Watts, while adding his own flavor, really pushes Keith and Ron to jam, with call and response, sometimes even in a jazz kind of way. Ian Stewart is playing boogie on most tracks, with Ian McLagan adding great hammond flavor to tracks like Imagination.
Really the entire gig is fantastic, but they did run out of steam on JJF and Satisfaction in my opinion. The solo bit on YCAGWY might have been great when you were there, but listening to it isn't the best experience.
Asolute fave's: Shattered, Black Lima, Imagination (no better Wyman than here, and Richards/Wood and Ernie Watts keep going for 10 minutes), Go-Go, Beast of Burden (best guitar interplay ever), Waiting on A Friend (with Richards playing the part everybody thinks Taylor does on record) and the mighty Let it Bleed with Keith's best solo of the day. Then Miss You is the best -and last ever - version.
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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
I said 'this is their best OFFICIAL live release'.
To me, nothing beats the Brussels Affair bootleg, with the Wembley version of Happy, GS and SFM instead of the Brussels version. But this is also partially nostalgia, as I have listened to this boot since I was 10, and basically learned how to play guitar over it.
All the rest is just taste. I love the pure and raw energy of 1972 Stones, and Taylor is a fabulous lead player, but as a band they indeed got better with age, culminating into their best ever performance at Hampton 1981.
I find Charlie Watts to be at his peak on the 1975 tour, and the Mocambo recording is an excellent showcase of that. Wyman got better and better, going from decent in the early 1970's to this terrific melodic bass player in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
And for as much as I love Taylor's leads, as a musician and guitar player I simply find the interplay of Wood and Richards way more interesting, and much harder to do right. There's a dozen Mick Taylor's out their being able to play amazing solo's, but nobody can play these intricate Wood and Richards rhythm lines where two parts become much more than just that. What Wood and Richards where able to pull off in 1978 and 1981 on a good night hasn't been bettered ever since.
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Taylor1This is not their best live release.Some of it is as great as they’ve been live.But nothing topsMidnight Rambler,You Can’t Always Get What You Want,Street FightingMan,from Brussels, Love in Vain from L&G, Sympathy from Get Yer Ya Ya’sOut, songs from LA Friday, Happy and others from Atlantic City 1989.And there other live performances during their incomparable careerQuote
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TravelinMan
By what standards?!?!
Leeds crushes this and I'll take L&G with worse sonics because the performance is incredible and they were at their absolute peak.
Exile band = greatest R&R band of all time.
some people think the band reached its live apex after Taylor left, probably around the time of the Hampton ppv.
I said 'this is their best OFFICIAL live release'.
To me, nothing beats the Brussels Affair bootleg, with the Wembley version of Happy, GS and SFM instead of the Brussels version. But this is also partially nostalgia, as I have listened to this boot since I was 10, and basically learned how to play guitar over it.
All the rest is just taste. I love the pure and raw energy of 1972 Stones, and Taylor is a fabulous lead player, but as a band they indeed got better with age, culminating into their best ever performance at Hampton 1981.
I find Charlie Watts to be at his peak on the 1975 tour, and the Mocambo recording is an excellent showcase of that. Wyman got better and better, going from decent in the early 1970's to this terrific melodic bass player in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
And for as much as I love Taylor's leads, as a musician and guitar player I simply find the interplay of Wood and Richards way more interesting, and much harder to do right. There's a dozen Mick Taylor's out their being able to play amazing solo's, but nobody can play these intricate Wood and Richards rhythm lines where two parts become much more than just that. What Wood and Richards where able to pull off in 1978 and 1981 on a good night hasn't been bettered ever since.
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I have Hampton 81. I rarely listen to it anymore as I find the sound of it, and all the ‘81 shows I have, to be too .. “weedy”. Can’t really describe it. The sound is “thin” and the tones just “off”. I often think they played out of tune. They didn’t, but such was the tone. MUCH prefer the loud, raucous, shambolic El Mocambo we’ve just been lucky to have been served. But as pointed out, it’s all personally subjective. And will time preserve the El Mocambo magic? We’ll see …
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I doubt there is nobody else could play those intricate guitar parts Wood-Richards played in1978-1981.As many as the lead guitarists you say Could play Taylor’s parts.In fact there are moments where Taylor and Richards do that, like the alternate All Down the Line from the Exile Deluxe release .But personally,I think that two guitar one sound band wasn’t as good live as1975-1977
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I doubt there is nobody else could play those intricate guitar parts Wood-Richards played in1978-1981.As many as the lead guitarists you say Could play Taylor’s parts.In fact there are moments where Taylor and Richards do that, like the alternate All Down the Line from the Exile Deluxe release .But personally,I think that two guitar one sound band wasn’t as good live as1975-1977
There's really nothing to doubt. I do not know of any band that comes close to what Richards and Wood did in 1981, not even Richards and Wood themselves before and certainly after.
But you and TravelinMan on many occasions sound exactly like these Brian Jones fans who think that everything great was due to Brian or stolen from Brian or whatever. I find it all very narrow minded.
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JordyLicks96
Ok, call me a crazy mama (no pun intended) but is the version of Crazy Mama a mix of the March 4th show and March 5th show? I'm listening to them side by side and I'm hearing a lot of similarities and differences:
Differences: March 4th he sings "If you don't believe I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna bust your knees with a bullet" while March 5th he sings "If you don't believe I'm gonna do it, wait for the speed of the bullet."
Similar: March 4th & 5th he says, "You gonna pay high prices for your sacrifices, yes you will child."
Am I crazy? lol
I actually love all 3 versions of the band. No doubt the albums from 1966 - 1978 were their best. I just think their were certain live peaks , mostly with Taylor but in that class 1975-1977, 1989 and 1990. But its all subjective opinion. And I don't think they were at a peak from 1969 to 1974 soley because of Taylor. Mick and Keith were writing great songs at that time. Bill was as big a loss as Taylor. And the Brian years were great also.As for this weaving you talk about, aren't Taylor and Richards doing that here?video: [youtu.be]Quote
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I doubt there is nobody else could play those intricate guitar parts Wood-Richards played in1978-1981.As many as the lead guitarists you say Could play Taylor’s parts.In fact there are moments where Taylor and Richards do that, like the alternate All Down the Line from the Exile Deluxe release .But personally,I think that two guitar one sound band wasn’t as good live as1975-1977
There's really nothing to doubt. I do not know of any band that comes close to what Richards and Wood did in 1981, not even Richards and Wood themselves before and certainly after.
But you and TravelinMan on many occasions sound exactly like these Brian Jones fans who think that everything great was due to Brian or stolen from Brian or whatever. I find it all very narrow minded.
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Taylor1I actually love all 3 versions of the band. No doubt the albums from 1966 - 1978 were their best. I just think their were certain live peaks , mostly with Taylor but in that class 1975-1977, 1989 and 1990. But its all subjective opinion. And I don't think they were at a peak from 1969 to 1974 soley because of Taylor. Mick and Keith were writing great songs at that time. Bill was as big a loss as Taylor. And the Brian years were great also.As for this weaving you talk about, aren't Taylor and Richards doing that here?video: [youtu.be]Quote
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I doubt there is nobody else could play those intricate guitar parts Wood-Richards played in1978-1981.As many as the lead guitarists you say Could play Taylor’s parts.In fact there are moments where Taylor and Richards do that, like the alternate All Down the Line from the Exile Deluxe release .But personally,I think that two guitar one sound band wasn’t as good live as1975-1977
There's really nothing to doubt. I do not know of any band that comes close to what Richards and Wood did in 1981, not even Richards and Wood themselves before and certainly after.
But you and TravelinMan on many occasions sound exactly like these Brian Jones fans who think that everything great was due to Brian or stolen from Brian or whatever. I find it all very narrow minded.
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I have never been able to get into 1981 because it seems safe and there is a sax playing over everything the whole time it seems. The KC gig was interesting because Taylor was there, but I’ve never been floored by the performances.
I prefer Hopkins to any other piano player they’ve had and I love the Keys/Price tasteful horn combo as well.
Which songs on this release have that intricate Richards/Wood guitar playing? It’s definitely not the end of Jumpin Jack!
Just listen to Hampton five times and you will find out it really is one of their best gigs. Ernie Watts, while adding his own flavor, really pushes Keith and Ron to jam, with call and response, sometimes even in a jazz kind of way. Ian Stewart is playing boogie on most tracks, with Ian McLagan adding great hammond flavor to tracks like Imagination.
Really the entire gig is fantastic, but they did run out of steam on JJF and Satisfaction in my opinion. The solo bit on YCAGWY might have been great when you were there, but listening to it isn't the best experience.
Asolute fave's: Shattered, Black Lima, Imagination (no better Wyman than here, and Richards/Wood and Ernie Watts keep going for 10 minutes), Go-Go, Beast of Burden (best guitar interplay ever), Waiting on A Friend (with Richards playing the part everybody thinks Taylor does on record) and the mighty Let it Bleed with Keith's best solo of the day. Then Miss You is the best -and last ever - version.
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