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'cause they can't be THAT good...or can they?
Yeah man they are ...
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As a guitarist of many years, I do not find the Ron Wood era particularly interesting. I do not find it hard at all to copy Ron Wood and I don't really enjoy his lead guitar tones. Perhaps if I didn't play guitar, I would be more enamored by his playing.
All I can add is that after working for 25+ years as a professional guitar teacher, me and my colleagues never ever got a single question about Ron Wood's playing. Quite a lot of questions about Mick Taylor's or Keith Richard's playing though. But then also never questions about the late Allan Holdsworth either. ( I couldn't even answer them). Just a statistical message.
So it could very well be that both Allan Holdsworth and Ron Wood, just like Jimi Hendriks, were innovators and changed guitar playing forever.
You never getting questions about Hendrix is extremely hard to believe.
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As a guitarist of many years, I do not find the Ron Wood era particularly interesting. I do not find it hard at all to copy Ron Wood and I don't really enjoy his lead guitar tones. Perhaps if I didn't play guitar, I would be more enamored by his playing.
All I can add is that after working for 25+ years as a professional guitar teacher, me and my colleagues never ever got a single question about Ron Wood's playing. Quite a lot of questions about Mick Taylor's or Keith Richard's playing though. But then also never questions about the late Allan Holdsworth either. ( I couldn't even answer them). Just a statistical message.
So it could very well be that both Allan Holdsworth and Ron Wood, just like Jimi Hendriks, were innovators and changed guitar playing forever.
You never getting questions about Hendrix is extremely hard to believe.
I do get. Just naming him here because just like Allan Holdsworth, he was an innovator.
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'cause they can't be THAT good...or can they?
Yeah man they are ...
Only the Stones can be that good.
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hbwriter
Weirdly, another track that sparkles for me is HTW - by then, it had become, for me anyway, kind of a lazy, meandering, unfocused party opener - good, but often lifeless. Here, it's tight but also somehow loose, intense, fat-free and an electrifying reminder as the night begins - "Yes, we are still the Rolling Stones."
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One other gush of emotion/realization for the morning - I keep trying to figure out why this record, beyond just the impressive performances, is affecting me as it is.
I think part of it is, we are hearing them shed one version of themselves as they prepare for a new stripped-down phase - the "untouchable yet out of touch" arena band is at a crossroads - and they are dealing with it. From this point on, the new phase truly starts- the Black and Blue auditions/experiments are done, the new form is taking shape and the Taylor-era is now firmly in the rear-view mirror.
I think I will listen to everything post-Macambo with fresh ears now - Mocambo is a "missing link" piece for me that really helps make sense of everything that followed.
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One other gush of emotion/realization for the morning - I keep trying to figure out why this record, beyond just the impressive performances, is affecting me as it is.
I think part of it is, we are hearing them shed one version of themselves as they prepare for a new stripped-down phase - the "untouchable yet out of touch" arena band is at a crossroads - and they are dealing with it. From this point on, the new phase truly starts- the Black and Blue auditions/experiments are done, the new form is taking shape and the Taylor-era is now firmly in the rear-view mirror.
I think I will listen to everything post-Macambo with fresh ears now - Mocambo is a "missing link" piece for me that really helps make sense of everything that followed.
That's an interesting take, hb.
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'cause they can't be THAT good...or can they?
Yeah man they are ...
Only the Stones can be that good.
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One other gush of emotion/realization for the morning - I keep trying to figure out why this record, beyond just the impressive performances, is affecting me as it is.
I think part of it is, we are hearing them shed one version of themselves as they prepare for a new stripped-down phase - the "untouchable yet out of touch" arena band is at a crossroads - and they are dealing with it. From this point on, the new phase truly starts- the Black and Blue auditions/experiments are done, the new form is taking shape and the Taylor-era is now firmly in the rear-view mirror.
I think I will listen to everything post-Macambo with fresh ears now - Mocambo is a "missing link" piece for me that really helps make sense of everything that followed.
That's an interesting take, hb.
The "missing link piece" thought is indeed interesting. For me it was like having "Love You Live" which felt a bit like a letdown, a bit too slick and uninspired after GYYYO apart from the Mocambo side and a (very) small handful of other tracks and next I remember, I was in a small record shop in London when suddenly the just-released 12" of Miss You was blasted over the speakers... "Uuuuh, it's the Stones!" Not exactly a fan of Disco Music, but this one I instantly liked. It sounded fresh, totally unexpected - Disco, yes, but with an undeniably bluesy flavour - "something has happened with my band!", a feeling that came to full fruition when the Some Girls album came out a bit later that now sounds like a natural progression from the energetic, stripped-down, back to the roots approach of El Mocambo.
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Indeed, there is something about the playing on this show that reminds me of the 78 tour. And there has always been something about they playing on that tour that reminds of GYYO. It's like they were returning to form.
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Indeed, there is something about the playing on this show that reminds me of the 78 tour. And there has always been something about they playing on that tour that reminds of GYYO. It's like they were returning to form.
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'cause they can't be THAT good...or can they?
Yeah man they are ...
Only the Stones can be that good.
On a rare occasion I do have my doubts, I must say. Especially during St. Louis, there seemed to be a guitar playing when neither Ronnie or Keef was. That got me thinking, and I just hope that is not the case.
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I thought the same thing in St. Louis.
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'cause they can't be THAT good...or can they?
Yeah man they are ...
Only the Stones can be that good.
On a rare occasion I do have my doubts, I must say. Especially during St. Louis, there seemed to be a guitar playing when neither Ronnie or Keef was. That got me thinking, and I just hope that is not the case.
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Wow, that's "puff of smoke on the grassy knoll", stuff. Can you lead us to any specific time points where these mystery notes can be heard, but not seen? I was there and didn't have any similar thoughts, but I was oblivious to anything but life affirming joy, so absolutely not doubting you guys, just looking for clarification.Quote
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I thought the same thing in St. Louis.
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Rockman
'cause they can't be THAT good...or can they?
Yeah man they are ...
Only the Stones can be that good.
On a rare occasion I do have my doubts, I must say. Especially during St. Louis, there seemed to be a guitar playing when neither Ronnie or Keef was. That got me thinking, and I just hope that is not the case.
Fine,that assumes stripped down means no Bobby Keys or Jim Price as was the case in 1969 means they were back to their roots.1975 was the same band as 1977 one show.How were they stripped down in1977 and not1975.Same exact band.And to go back to their roots they would need Brian to replace Wood.Quote
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Indeed, there is something about the playing on this show that reminds me of the 78 tour. And there has always been something about they playing on that tour that reminds of GYYO. It's like they were returning to form.
uhhh.... oh yeah? ....Joking aside, when I say return to form, I mean its a kind of stripped down, getting back to their roots vibe I get. Without putting a judgment on it one way or the other.
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Wow, that's "puff of smoke on the grassy knoll", stuff. Can you lead us to any specific time points where these mystery notes can be heard, but not seen? I was there and didn't have any similar thoughts, but I was oblivious to anything but life affirming joy, so absolutely not doubting you guys, just looking for clarification.Quote
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I thought the same thing in St. Louis.
There were times "where did that note come from"Quote
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Rockman
'cause they can't be THAT good...or can they?
Yeah man they are ...
Only the Stones can be that good.
On a rare occasion I do have my doubts, I must say. Especially during St. Louis, there seemed to be a guitar playing when neither Ronnie or Keef was. That got me thinking, and I just hope that is not the case.
Could have been Chuck who has been known to cover and/or enhance Keith's riffs occasionally with his synth/keyboards. I recall seeing Little T&A in the past, and the opening "guitar" riff was 99% Chuck.
It sucked the purity out of the tune as it sounded artificial and soulless, and it was all very deceiving...almost as bad as lip synching really, but instead of vocals it was Chuck mimicking Keith's guitar parts.
I'd rather see and hear a dilapidated sloppy riff played solely by Keith vs. a faux sounding riff enhanced by the smoke and mirrors of Chuck, but unfortunately this artificiality is what it has become more often than not.
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Taylor1Fine,that assumes stripped down means no Bobby Keys or Jim Price as was the case in 1969 means they were back to their roots.1975 was the same band as 1977 one show.How were they stripped down in1977 and not1975.Same exact band.And to go back to their roots they would need Brian to replace Wood.Quote
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Indeed, there is something about the playing on this show that reminds me of the 78 tour. And there has always been something about they playing on that tour that reminds of GYYO. It's like they were returning to form.
uhhh.... oh yeah? ....Joking aside, when I say return to form, I mean its a kind of stripped down, getting back to their roots vibe I get. Without putting a judgment on it one way or the other.
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hbwriter
I think "stripped down" refers to the environment, mood and vibe-- coming off of two years of shows that started with the trumpets heralding Fanfare for Common Man- the excess- the battleship size stages- the ATTITUDE was stripped down- and it shows in the brilliance of the performances
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I think "stripped down" refers to the environment, mood and vibe-- coming off of two years of shows that started with the trumpets heralding Fanfare for Common Man- the excess- the battleship size stages- the ATTITUDE was stripped down- and it shows in the brilliance of the performances