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NashvilleBlues
Hi everyone. New member. First post.
Looking at the NFL schedule and considering they plan to have full stadiums all season, it looks like The Stones could (in theory) start their US tour September 10 (one day after the NFL regular season kickoff) Since they take at least 3 days off between shows, they could fit in all 14-15 gigs in between September 10 and November 5. Thoughts?
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Topi
Mick specifically mentions they "signed a contract" to do the US tour and "sold the tickets."
This is what I have been saying all along. That tour is there, it's black on white. Their intention (and that of every other party involved, incl. the promoters) is to actually perform that tour.
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bv
They will tour eventually. That is for sure. Get your vaccine shots whenever offered. Be ready!
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Topi
Mick specifically mentions they "signed a contract" to do the US tour and "sold the tickets."
This is what I have been saying all along. That tour is there, it's black on white. Their intention (and that of every other party involved, incl. the promoters) is to actually perform that tour.
Perhaps Topi, but the question is when?
Nobody knows, and even Mick was reasonable enough not to make any promises or guarantees ""Hopefully things will be somewhere near normal by the end of the summer, let's hope, anyway",
Even with that cautious statement, some fans are falling over themselves as if it's all been etched in stone. Nice to hear Mick refer to the tour, but doesn't mean much at this point - not until the coast is somewhat clear.
And by the way, you were also saying the live pics on their site and social media were an absolute sign that the rescheduled tour announcement was imminent- that was over a month ago...still waiting.........
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Topi
Mick specifically mentions they "signed a contract" to do the US tour and "sold the tickets."
This is what I have been saying all along. That tour is there, it's black on white. Their intention (and that of every other party involved, incl. the promoters) is to actually perform that tour.
Perhaps Topi, but the question is when?
Nobody knows, and even Mick was reasonable enough not to make any promises or guarantees ""Hopefully things will be somewhere near normal by the end of the summer, let's hope, anyway",
Even with that cautious statement, some fans are falling over themselves as if it's all been etched in stone. Nice to hear Mick refer to the tour, but doesn't mean much at this point - not until the coast is somewhat clear.
And by the way, you were also saying the live pics on their site and social media were an absolute sign that the rescheduled tour announcement was imminent- that was over a month ago...still waiting.........
I don't think I said the live clips/profile pic changes were an absolute sign of an announcement, I just pointed out that they have usually proved to be such. I think I used the acronym "FWIW" too.
Of course the question is "when", but the question might not be "if". At their age, it unfortunately also is a question of "if". Of course Mick's not making any guarantees, it's not his call at this point.
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Topi
"FWIW, the Stones just update their social media profile pictures. They don't do it that often, and it's often done in conjuction with a release (such as the GHS reissue and the Ghost Town single last year). It's just the generic red tongue at this point."
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Topi
"We are still at the pre-teaser stage. This is where they tell you to subscribe to the mailing list and post those live songs. In years past, those have always been signs of an imminent tour date announcement, is all I'm saying."¨
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Topi
And yes I believe am being very realistic about all this. Sadly, we're all just watching the sand slowly running out on the hourglass. Can only hope the band is still in good enough health to perform when the time comes. From a purely legal/contractual standpoint the realism here is that there's still ink on the dotted line on the US tour, but nothing else that we know of so far, however strong those 60th anniversary London/RAH/UK rumors may be.
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jbwelda
The question will be: can they still make (the requisite amount of) money when they can only half-fill the venues? And if the 6 foot distance rule even means anything, that would pretty much mean one-sixth filled venues?
I kinda don't see it until venues can be pretty much if not completely filled to capacity, all tickets sold or nearly so. Any less would mean they would lose or not make much money, certainly not up to the expectations in "normal" times, and it would be pretty embarrassing if they could not sell even those diminished expectation number of tickets due to public wariness of the plague.
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Topi
Hairball, I also don't think any shows will happen this year. 2022 is my best bet. Spring/early summer 2022 in the US - God willing, and maybe the Royal Albert Hall shows in London to close everything out in the fall/winter of 2022?
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Topi
Mick specifically mentions they "signed a contract" to do the US tour and "sold the tickets."
This is what I have been saying all along. That tour is there, it's black on white. Their intention (and that of every other party involved, incl. the promoters) is to actually perform that tour.
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jbwelda
The question will be: can they still make (the requisite amount of) money when they can only half-fill the venues? And if the 6 foot distance rule even means anything, that would pretty much mean one-sixth filled venues?
I kinda don't see it until venues can be pretty much if not completely filled to capacity, all tickets sold or nearly so. Any less would mean they would lose or not make much money, certainly not up to the expectations in "normal" times, and it would be pretty embarrassing if they could not sell even those diminished expectation number of tickets due to public wariness of the plague.
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bv
They will tour eventually. That is for sure. Get your vaccine shots whenever offered. Be ready!
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Topi
No worries! Yes, I'm aware tours get cancelled. And yes, contracts can be terminated/have out clauses. Especially easy if both parties agree to terminate.
My point is the band - and the promoters - have kept this one so far with the apparent intention to wait things out and deliver the tour as soon as it's deemed safe to do so. And this is what I took away from Mick's interview as well. What we don't know is the "when" and "how", but Mick at least seemed to hint it's not a question of "if" with him.
Keep hope alive!
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Topi
No worries! Yes, I'm aware tours get cancelled. And yes, contracts can be terminated/have out clauses. Especially easy if both parties agree to terminate.
My point is the band - and the promoters - have kept this one so far with the apparent intention to wait things out and deliver the tour as soon as it's deemed safe to do so. And this is what I took away from Mick's interview as well. What we don't know is the "when" and "how", but Mick at least seemed to hint it's not a question of "if" with him.
Keep hope alive!
Exactly this.
They will pull off this US leg (although much different now) as soon as it is deemed safe to do so. Mick is clear in that desire.."because the tour could be sooner than I think" has me hopeful for '21 still, but clearly it will be a challenge.
With lots of open air venues, proof of vax, and perhaps other measures, my money (literally) is still on a late summer '21 opener.
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MisterDDDD
Exactly this.
They will pull off this US leg (although much different now) as soon as it is deemed safe to do so. Mick is clear in that desire.."because the tour could be sooner than I think" has me hopeful for '21 still, but clearly it will be a challenge.
With lots of open air venues, proof of vax, and perhaps other measures, my money (literally) is still on a late summer '21 opener.
I'll bet you $50 there's no tour by September.
honor system...loser gives to their favorite charity.
In other news, realizing you and I disagree wholeheartedly on "proof of vaccine" issue....I would just state that (IMO) Vax Passports are likely gonna be a lengthy (legal) battle unless they get the "may cause death by clot" side effect worked out.
IMO, it seems a bit of an uphill battle legally-speaking to force-segregate people for refusing to take something that "science" can't guarantee won't kill them....
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thecitadel
The vaccines work and reduce the risks of serious illness and death for those vaccinated to flu levels. We may get lots of infections, but nothing unusual compared to the past 100 years. You can see the results of vaccines in the UK, Israeli and even US numbers now.
That means the Band and Touring Entourage will be as safe as any other year - maybe better than 2016 in South America with Zika. So there are three issues:
- will something change again with the virus so the vaccines don't work? then the whole world shuts down again.
- will local authorities allow stadiums to be filled with people? this will depends on attitudes to risk, business, and the virus/hospital/mortality issues. The US seems more relaxed than most of Europe to me in this question.
- will the Insurers cover the risks? They won't cover all risks, and the Band must have lost plenty of money last year so they won't want to double up on that or worse.
It's not surprising some people won't take the vaccine, as plenty of people smoke for years knowing it will take 10-25 years off of their life. Or drink too much, or get very unfit etc. I guess it's your choice of poison. Difference is Covid kills in 4 weeks, not 40 years.
Shouldn't stop the rest of us, vaccinated, enjoying a Tour. But it will need normal numbers in Stadiums: half full, unless we all pay double, won't work financially.
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24FPS
I stopped going to Stones concerts after the boring 2013 tour. Now I might go see them one last time for sentimental sake. And McCartney too.
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mpj200
The 2019 tour finished within days of the NFL’s deadline/requirements. So I wouldn’t expect the rescheduled tour to run through the NFL season. Most teams use their stadiums daily for meetings, offices, training, film, weight rooms, practice etc.
AEG (and Live Nation) have also said their tours will require proof of vaccine. Or possibly a current negative test or antibodies test.
The States don’t have enough people vaccinated yet to move forward with tour details and announcements. Or what entry requirements will be. Hopefully in another few months they will have details.
But don’t be surprised if vaccine proof is required.