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Doxa
We might call it more like a summary, since it involves most names associated to its creation also here mentioned, Aldridge too.
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How come that Aldridge never mentioned publically about any "rip off"?
Maybe because he simply felt honored to be quoted ....
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Just like Braun, I was also "guilty" of a "quick around the corner" remark. When I later checked my correspondence with Braun, it wasn't that black and white. The stamp idea for Chess was merely happening in between, I understood. Braun and his team were already into the (Hairball will like that ) "Aldridge" mood, hence the second white line. Still, the stamp could only be a "one colour" (red) thing. It's all still 1970 and life was still pretty simple, technology wise.
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MisterDDDD's left side Kali image is undisputably having a lips/tongue, that comes very close to Aldridge's Day Tripper girl ice licking image. There are more of those kind of Kali images.
Let's be careful, when we talk about Kali, because according to many people from India, you can't mess with her!
An Idian man whom I worked with on an e-banking project way back in 2001, took a Kali image sticker with him for me after a visit to his home country and told me very interesting stuff that I put in a very colourful article about the Stones logo later that same year
The sticker must be around somewhere in our house ...
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From Craig Braun: "Ultimately, it ended up being my version, not his, they use everywhere. They use mine for the tours, merchandising, licensing. Ironically, the V&A Museum paid Pasche almost £100,000 for his original logo art, but it’s not the official Stones version”
There's a "small" mistake: it were almost US-$ 100,000 (not British Pound). From et al. [www.NYTimes.com] : "In 2008, the Victoria and Albert Museum in London bought his original artwork for £50,000 ($92,500)."
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MisterDDDD's left side Kali image is undisputably having a lips/tongue, that comes very close to Aldridge's Day Tripper girl ice licking image. There are more of those kind of Kali images.
Let's be careful, when we talk about Kali, because according to many people from India, you can't mess with her!
An Idian man whom I worked with on an e-banking project way back in 2001, took a Kali image sticker with him for me after a visit to his home country and told me very interesting stuff that I put in a very colourful article about the Stones logo later that same year
The sticker must be around somewhere in our house ...
Would like to read your article if you're inclined to post, georgie.
I land firmly in the drawings (especially of the era) of mouths and lips are of course all similar camp. Obviously there are going to be similar examples out there.
A lot of the Kali images look very much like Aldridge's, so much so that if they were the ones done later, they apparently would be accused of copying his.
End of the day, doesn't really matter where the "inspiration" came from on any of them, but I don't believe anyone has seriously doubted the Mick showed up with clippings of Kali account, and there's the origin.
Pasche then came up with the tongue and lips, based on Kali and Mick, Braun embellished it/cleaned it up, and here we are.
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georgie48
MisterDDDD,
Some more images/remaining text of the 2000 article. I hope you forgive my innocense of those days
I was only 50 years young
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Hairball
You might know the answer to this georgie considering all your research, but wondering if *John Pasche ever felt the urge or desire to share (or reimburse) some of the money he made off the tongue.
Or if not, has he ever given a bit of credit to anyone other than Mick, Kali, and himself? There were so many people who lent a hand to "his" primitive design which also owes some credit to the near identical Aldridge tongue,
but there's also Braun (who didn't sound too pleased),Velez, and Dimicelli to be considered...and maybe even Cefalu. Would be nice to know if he ever admitted his version was simply a rough draft at least.
PS - Thanks for posting your article - lots of tongues (!), and I'm able to click, save, and enlarge - will read though it later.
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georgie48
Just like Braun, I was also "guilty" of a "quick around the corner" remark. When I later checked my correspondence with Braun, it wasn't that black and white. The stamp idea for Chess was merely happening in between, I understood. Braun and his team were already into the (Hairball will like that ) "Aldridge" mood, hence the second white line. Still, the stamp could only be a "one colour" (red) thing. It's all still 1970 and life was still pretty simple, technology wise.
Very interesting.
So the b/w image you provided to me - [iorr.org] - is not the first version of the logo designed by John Pasche. But the logo depicted in the b/w image was already used in 1970 by Rolling Stones Records - [iorr.org] .
John Pasche said he unfortunately doesn't have the sketches of his first drafts anymore - [www.EyeMagazine.com] .
It would still be interesting to see how John Pasche's first logo-version in 1970 looked.
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P.S. If the analogies of Keef or Cartesius are not good enough, we could add - more close to efficient logo-making - one failed Austrian artist who back in the 1920s picked up an ancient symbol and made a flag out of it, and thereby gave it a whole new meaning associated to it ever since.... (this is not a good company...)
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Doxa
P.S. If the analogies of Keef or Cartesius are not good enough, we could add - more close to efficient logo-making - one failed Austrian artist who back in the 1920s picked up an ancient symbol and made a flag out of it, and thereby gave it a whole new meaning associated to it ever since.... (this is not a good company...)
You are presumably talking about Dr. Friedrich Krohn, from Sternberg? A dentist, don't know if Sternberg is in Austria.
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Doxa
P.S. If the analogies of Keef or Cartesius are not good enough, we could add - more close to efficient logo-making - one failed Austrian artist who back in the 1920s picked up an ancient symbol and made a flag out of it, and thereby gave it a whole new meaning associated to it ever since.... (this is not a good company...)
You are presumably talking about Dr. Friedrich Krohn, from Sternberg? A dentist, don't know if Sternberg is in Austria.
[www.crwflags.com]
Pretty sure Doxa's guy is way more (in)famous and probably is the most hated person in the world, ever.
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Doxa
P.S. If the analogies of Keef or Cartesius are not good enough, we could add - more close to efficient logo-making - one failed Austrian artist who back in the 1920s picked up an ancient symbol and made a flag out of it, and thereby gave it a whole new meaning associated to it ever since.... (this is not a good company...)
You are presumably talking about Dr. Friedrich Krohn, from Sternberg? A dentist, don't know if Sternberg is in Austria.
[www.crwflags.com]
Pretty sure Doxa's guy is way more (in)famous and probably is the most hated person in the world, ever.
Well, my point was that it was Krohn who picked up an ancient symbol and made a flag out of it. Not the other guy.
To bring this almost on topic, saying the failed artist designed the flag is a bit like saying Warhol designed the tongue logo. Many think so, but that does not make it so.
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Doxa
P.S. If the analogies of Keef or Cartesius are not good enough, we could add - more close to efficient logo-making - one failed Austrian artist who back in the 1920s picked up an ancient symbol and made a flag out of it, and thereby gave it a whole new meaning associated to it ever since.... (this is not a good company...)
You are presumably talking about Dr. Friedrich Krohn, from Sternberg? A dentist, don't know if Sternberg is in Austria.
[www.crwflags.com]
Pretty sure Doxa's guy is way more (in)famous and probably is the most hated person in the world, ever.
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Doxa
P.S. If the analogies of Keef or Cartesius are not good enough, we could add - more close to efficient logo-making - one failed Austrian artist who back in the 1920s picked up an ancient symbol and made a flag out of it, and thereby gave it a whole new meaning associated to it ever since.... (this is not a good company...)
You are presumably talking about Dr. Friedrich Krohn, from Sternberg? A dentist, don't know if Sternberg is in Austria.
[www.crwflags.com]
Pretty sure Doxa's guy is way more (in)famous and probably is the most hated person in the world, ever.
Well, my point was that it was Krohn who picked up an ancient symbol and made a flag out of it. Not the other guy.
To bring this almost on topic, saying the failed artist designed the flag is a bit like saying Warhol designed the tongue logo. Many think so, but that does not make it so.
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Just 3 more days...
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Just 3 more days...
Yep ... the American single with the American logo
The non-American singles show the "stamp based" one colour logo on a yellow background label. Again, this difference shows/proves the decentralized production of the records and labels in those days. The only global input was the Sticky Fingers album sleeve, produced in the USA.
... two more days