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CROWD: Fight for Trump. Fight for Trump. Fight for Trump. Fight for Trump. Fight for Trump. Fight for Trump.
This is the problem with American politics. It's not just trump, "fight" is used by every politician no matter which party, and every time I hear it I hate it. I don't elect people to fight, I elect them to get things done. I can turn on boxing if I want to see people fight.
I'm just glad all media and both parties now condemn rioting, though still far too many singularly focused on recent activity and ignoring what else took place in the last 12 months (or 12 years quite frankly). I hope Biden does what he says and tries to pull everyone together though every time he talks of this he first insults Trump voters which isn't going to help since an overwhelming majority of them disagree with the rioting at the capital earlier this week. I've read several political books over the years, I know he worked hard while in the senate and reached across the aisle so I know he has the potential, but his work in the Senate was a long time ago, and he's got a whole lot of people pulling him in extreme directions, so we'll see what happens. I worry about his age, his past brain aneurysms, but it is what it is and we'll all see how this begins to play out in less than two weeks. I'm hoping for the best even though he wasn't my first choice (and for the record neither was Trump though you can only choose amongst those on the ballot).
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Stoneage
There is a deeper question behind this: How can a person like Mr Trump be elected in the first place? Why do more than 74 million US citizens vote for him?
What can we conclude from that. Those are the real questions. Repeating over and over that Mr Trump is a bufoon doesn't lead anywhere.
People can actually think in a way that is different from the way you want them to think. You are just going to have to accept that and deal with it. If you only realized how totalitarian you sound. It's downright creepy.
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Dear BV!
Why this on IORR?
I don't think this has anything to do with IORR.
Please close it!
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I don't agree. There are a lot of other places for this outside of IORR.
I see people are forcing you to open this thread.
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Stoneage
There is a deeper question behind this: How can a person like Mr Trump be elected in the first place? Why do more than 74 million US citizens vote for him?
What can we conclude from that. Those are the real questions. Repeating over and over that Mr Trump is a bufoon doesn't lead anywhere.
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Dear BV!
Why this on IORR?
I don't think this has anything to do with IORR.
Please close it!
[iorr.org]
I don't agree. There are a lot of other places for this outside of IORR.
I see people are forcing you to open this thread.
Absolutely not. A few people ask me to close it, because they don't like the facts. If you read what I posted this morning, i.e. a few hours ago, this thread was never closed, except for an hour in the morning, when I looked into false and/or offending posts. It is still open.
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Dear BV!
Why this on IORR?
I don't think this has anything to do with IORR.
Please close it!
[iorr.org]
I don't agree. There are a lot of other places for this outside of IORR.
I see people are forcing you to open this thread.
Absolutely not. A few people ask me to close it, because they don't like the facts. If you read what I posted this morning, i.e. a few hours ago, this thread was never closed, except for an hour in the morning, when I looked into false and/or offending posts. It is still open.
I think GasLight was just being sarcastic toward 1962....
I don't think it was directed at you, BV.
thanks for keeping it open, either way.
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bv
Some say the DC Capitol riot was just another riot. WRONG.
1. The US President Donald Trump organized and initiated the riot
2. The house raided was not just another house, it was the very center of the US Democracy
3. After the terror attack was a fact, Trump said in a video on twitter "I love you"
The President is supposed to be protecting the people and the democracy, all the people, not just half of the people. The president is supposed to be the smartest one, not the mad uncle.
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Dear BV!
Why this on IORR?
I don't think this has anything to do with IORR.
Please close it!
[iorr.org]
I don't agree. There are a lot of other places for this outside of IORR.
I see people are forcing you to open this thread.
Absolutely not. A few people ask me to close it, because they don't like the facts. If you read what I posted this morning, i.e. a few hours ago, this thread was never closed, except for an hour in the morning, when I looked into false and/or offending posts. It is still open.
I think GasLight was just being sarcastic toward 1962....
I don't think it was directed at you, BV.
thanks for keeping it open, either way.
I have got all sorts of hidden messages and also personal threats lately, so I treat everything posted literally now.
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spikenyc
BV,
Its time to take this thread down,
Especially If people are threating you, also they should be banned from this site.
Folks, lets show BV some appreciation for starting this site and keeping it going all these years.
Im sure he never intended to become a political news editor when he started this site.
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Some say the DC Capitol riot was just another riot. WRONG.
1. The US President Donald Trump organized and initiated the riot
2. The house raided was not just another house, it was the very center of the US Democracy
3. After the terror attack was a fact, Trump said in a video on twitter "I love you"
The President is supposed to be protecting the people and the democracy, all the people, not just half of the people. The president is supposed to be the smartest one, not the mad uncle.
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BV,
Its time to take this thread down,
Especially If people are threating you, also they should be banned from this site.
Folks, lets show BV some appreciation for starting this site and keeping it going all these years.
Im sure he never intended to become a political news editor when he started this site.
People have been threatening me for 25 years by letter, phone and e-mail, since I opened the forum in 1995 or so. Quite a few who are kicked out from the forum tell me things nobody want to hear. I have had a secret phone number since the 90's. I have a two digit list of names. Not a big worry, but that is one of several reasons why I don't meet up with people I don't know often. Security.
It comes with sticking your head out. Being just a fan would have been easy, but when I started IORR back in 1980 it was because I wanted to share my love and stories of The Rolling Stones with others. I think there is quite a bit of envy, also general hate. But I am a very stubborn person, so I will hang in a bit more. Yes this thread will close soon, because the subject has been debated to the extent needed. Then it is up to the general press to cover the subject.
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Some say the DC Capitol riot was just another riot. WRONG.
1. The US President Donald Trump organized and initiated the riot
2. The house raided was not just another house, it was the very center of the US Democracy
3. After the terror attack was a fact, Trump said in a video on twitter "I love you"
The President is supposed to be protecting the people and the democracy, all the people, not just half of the people. The president is supposed to be the smartest one, not the mad uncle.
IMO, I don't think it was a "terror attack"
I am always very cautious w/ that term and never throw it around lightly.
Reason? I dunno what folks not from the US know, but here in the US, if you are labeled a "terrorist SUSPECT" under the NDAA, your rights (literally) cease to exist....you can be indefinitely detained w/ no right to a lawyer....literally.
[en.wikipedia.org]
I also don't think it was a "coup" or an "insurrection" or an "attempted takeover"....those also bring very harsh legal punishments etc. (Sedition Act).
it was a protest that turned into a riot (IMO)....
hence, I prefer the term "rioters"
....just my opinion.
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bv
Some say the DC Capitol riot was just another riot. WRONG.
1. The US President Donald Trump organized and initiated the riot
2. The house raided was not just another house, it was the very center of the US Democracy
3. After the terror attack was a fact, Trump said in a video on twitter "I love you"
The President is supposed to be protecting the people and the democracy, all the people, not just half of the people. The president is supposed to be the smartest one, not the mad uncle.
IMO, I don't think it was a "terror attack"
I am always very cautious w/ that term and never throw it around lightly.
Reason? I dunno what folks not from the US know, but here in the US, if you are labeled a "terrorist SUSPECT" under the NDAA, your rights (literally) cease to exist....you can be indefinitely detained w/ no right to a lawyer....literally.
[en.wikipedia.org]
I also don't think it was a "coup" or an "insurrection" or an "attempted takeover"....those also bring very harsh legal punishments etc. (Sedition Act).
it was a protest that turned into a riot (IMO)....
hence, I prefer the term "rioters"
....just my opinion.
Yes and no!
Yes, I have also thought that it was not a terrorist attack.
But:
No, I considered it to be more than a protest that turned into a riot, namely a violent violation against the democratic institutions of the USA.
Worst of all, and there read bv's post: Instigated by the sitting president of the USA, not respecting his loss by the election, the very serious violation of democracy.
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bv
Some say the DC Capitol riot was just another riot. WRONG.
1. The US President Donald Trump organized and initiated the riot
2. The house raided was not just another house, it was the very center of the US Democracy
3. After the terror attack was a fact, Trump said in a video on twitter "I love you"
The President is supposed to be protecting the people and the democracy, all the people, not just half of the people. The president is supposed to be the smartest one, not the mad uncle.
IMO, I don't think it was a "terror attack"
I am always very cautious w/ that term and never throw it around lightly.
Reason? I dunno what folks not from the US know, but here in the US, if you are labeled a "terrorist SUSPECT" under the NDAA, your rights (literally) cease to exist....you can be indefinitely detained w/ no right to a lawyer....literally.
[en.wikipedia.org]
I also don't think it was a "coup" or an "insurrection" or an "attempted takeover"....those also bring very harsh legal punishments etc. (Sedition Act).
it was a protest that turned into a riot (IMO)....
hence, I prefer the term "rioters"
....just my opinion.
Yes and no!
Yes, I have also thought that it was not a terrorist attack.
But:
No, I considered it to be more than a protest that turned into a riot, namely a violent violation against the democratic institutions of the USA.
Worst of all, and there read bv's post: Instigated by the sitting president of the USA, not respecting his loss by the election, the very serious violation of democracy.
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treaclefingers
Best part of this awful situation is that it is hopefully a 'shock to the system' and maybe more people realize this isn't how it's supposed to work nor is it how they want it to be in the future.
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wonderboy
I did laugh at the picture of the guy in Pelosi's office with his feet on the desk.
Nice to see royalty punched in the nose once in a while.
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bv
Some say the DC Capitol riot was just another riot. WRONG.
1. The US President Donald Trump organized and initiated the riot
2. The house raided was not just another house, it was the very center of the US Democracy
3. After the terror attack was a fact, Trump said in a video on twitter "I love you"
The President is supposed to be protecting the people and the democracy, all the people, not just half of the people. The president is supposed to be the smartest one, not the mad uncle.
IMO, I don't think it was a "terror attack"
I am always very cautious w/ that term and never throw it around lightly.
Reason? I dunno what folks not from the US know, but here in the US, if you are labeled a "terrorist SUSPECT" under the NDAA, your rights (literally) cease to exist....you can be indefinitely detained w/ no right to a lawyer....literally.
[en.wikipedia.org]
I also don't think it was a "coup" or an "insurrection" or an "attempted takeover"....those also bring very harsh legal punishments etc. (Sedition Act).
it was a protest that turned into a riot (IMO)....
hence, I prefer the term "rioters"
....just my opinion.
Yes and no!
Yes, I have also thought that it was not a terrorist attack.
But:
No, I considered it to be more than a protest that turned into a riot, namely a violent violation against the democratic institutions of the USA.
Worst of all, and there read bv's post: Instigated by the sitting president of the USA, not respecting his loss by the election, the very serious violation of democracy.
When people bring Molotov cocktails, bombs and rifles it's not to maintain law and order. No, they did that to terrorise, aka spread fear. Hence it's a terror attack, imo.
They sought to violate the democratic institutions in a violent way.
Someone driving a car or truck against a crowd of people, would be a case of terrorism to me.
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bv
I have got all sorts of hidden messages and also personal threats lately, so I treat everything posted literally now.
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Rocknroll1969
Trump passed this law over the summer. The rioters could face 10 years in jail for damaging Federal property.
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