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bradleycsocal
I thought I heard somewhere The Stones wouldn't play anywhere where there were mandates for vaccination....But I agree proof of vaccination or a negative covid test is good in lieu of cancellation.....
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Hairball
I've never liked mathematics....
Expert shares equation that shows even a 100% vaccination rate is not enough to stop Delta variant
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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Earlier in the pandemic, experts had hoped if we can get 75% of Americans vaccinated, we can contain the coronavirus. Thursday, we're at just over 50% vaccinated. But 75% is no longer enough. The Delta variant has changed the equation, literally. A professor of epidemiology at Boston University recently tweeted equations that explain why Delta has made it mathematically impossible to beat the virus now with just the vaccine: Dr. Ellie Murray was on ABC7 News 3 p.m. program "Getting Answers" Thursday to share her calculations. First, we have to understand a virus' effective Reproductive Number, or Re, the number of people an infected person will transmit to. It needs to stay under one, as in each infected person transmits to fewer than one other person, for us to suppress and beat the virus.
With the original COVID-19 strain, each infected person passed it on to an estimated 3 people without intervention. At our nation's current 50% vaccination rate, and vaccine efficacy at 95%, the Re is 1.575, not good enough. But at 75% vaccination rate, a lofty goal that mirrors the Bay Area but far surpasses much of the nation, the Re is 0.86, enough to defeat the virus:
Re=3*(1-0.5*0.95) = 1.575
Re=3(1-.75*.95)=0.86 <1
However, the Delta variant is much more transmissible, so Dr. Murray replaced the 3 with an 8, the number of people one person might pass it on to without mitigation. She also brought the vaccine efficacy rate to 85%, while acknowledging the latest studies suggest the number could be even lower. And now, you can see the Re at 50% vaccination is 4.6, much too high. And even if we achieve a national 75% vaccination rate, the Re would still be 2.9. With one infected person infecting nearly 3 others, that will not end the pandemic.
Even if 100% of people got vaccinated, that would not bring the effective reproductive number under 1. Hence, other mitigation measures are needed, such as masking:
Re=8(1-.5*.85) = 4.6
Re=8(1-.75*.85)=2.9
Even if the 50% who've already gotten the shots received a booster, that would make only a small dent and not nearly as impactful as getting new people vaccinated. Even if we can't get rid of the virus entirely, the vaccines can help get rid of the "disease" in the form of worst outcomes. She says the math shows that the end game is vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.
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terraplane
Don't know about UK but they used invermectin in India.
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terraplane
Don't know about UK but they used invermectin in India.
on everyone? really?
Why is this not massive news? Do you have a source/link?
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terraplane
Don't know about UK but they used invermectin in India.
on everyone? really?
Why is this not massive news? Do you have a source/link?
Two states: Goa and Uttarakhand tried it in May, in hopes of preventing future outbreaks. People over 18 took tablets.
In June they dropped it: [www.indiatoday.in]
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terraplane
Don't know about UK but they used invermectin in India.
on everyone? really?
Why is this not massive news? Do you have a source/link?
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terraplane
Don't know about UK but they used invermectin in India.
on everyone? really?
Why is this not massive news? Do you have a source/link?
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terraplane
Don't know about UK but they used invermectin in India.
on everyone? really?
Why is this not massive news? Do you have a source/link?
Two states: Goa and Uttarakhand tried it in May, in hopes of preventing future outbreaks. People over 18 took tablets.
In June they dropped it: [www.indiatoday.in]
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terraplane
Don't know about UK but they used invermectin in India.
on everyone? really?
Why is this not massive news? Do you have a source/link?
Did I say everyone?
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daspyknows
There should be a clinical trial using a cocktail of Ivermectin, Hydrochroroquine and Clorox amongst the unvaccinated Covid patients. I bet there will be enough believers who will sign up for the trial. Those who participated in the Tuskegee Experiment were not volunteers, but I would bet we have enough willing for this trial.
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Irix
Regarding the Stones' 2021 US-Tour:
[www.AEGpresents.com] , [Twitter.com] , [www.Facebook.com] , [www.Instagram.com] .
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Irix
Regarding the Stones' 2021 US-Tour:
[www.AEGpresents.com] , [Twitter.com] , [www.Facebook.com] , [www.Instagram.com] .
If you follow the link, this policy only applies to venues owned or operated by AEG. None of the venues that The Stones are playing in are O&Os. Here's the text from their site:
"Los Angeles, CA, August 12, 2021 – AEG Presents, a global leader in concerts and live events, announced today that it will be requiring proof of vaccination for entry into its owned and operated clubs, theatres, and festivals."
So it looks like attending a Stones show in 2021 will be open to all, vaxxed or not...
~That's a pretty mask, stupid tic toc dance.....
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treaclefingers
Well you implied it. I mean my question was how did India bend the curve and you replied that you didn't know about the UK, but that they used invermectin in India.
The idea that every man, woman and child in India was treated with ivermectin is patently absurd but I'm sure you know that wasn't what I was implying.
I'm sure a couple of people used it in the U.S. as well. If you don't have an actual answer, it's better not to answer. I don't have super high expectations of you, don't worry.[
I'm not worried. The fact that you think I might be says something about your own sense of self importance. /quote]