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They say we will struggle with the corona virus until most parts of the world is vaccinated. Africa. Asia. Rich and poor. We travel, people meet, the virus does not stop at borders. Luckily there is international work now to finance vaccine to countries who are not stacked with money.
Many elderly, and people at risk, will probably have a vaccine by the first half of 2021, then we will spend 6-12 months of re-vaccination, getting more vaccine, and get it out to all parts of the world.
There is no quick-fix, and there will be people across the world who will ignore the virus at all times. I saw the Georgia crowd yesterday, and the attitude there was the virus is no problem. I think the same attitude is many places. That is why the virus will stay. For a long while still.
May be there will be a requirement of a vaccination certificate to cross borders, like they have with yellow fever. I don't know. We will know a lot more during the next months.
When the entire world is vaccinated, at some point, and the corona virus is not taking thousands of lives per day anymore, like it does today, then we may live our normal lives, and may be, hopefully, there might be another Stones tour. I am sure there will be another one. Probably 2022. Hopefully.
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They say we will struggle with the corona virus until most parts of the world is vaccinated. Africa. Asia. Rich and poor. We travel, people meet, the virus does not stop at borders. Luckily there is international work now to finance vaccine to countries who are not stacked with money.
Many elderly, and people at risk, will probably have a vaccine by the first half of 2021, then we will spend 6-12 months of re-vaccination, getting more vaccine, and get it out to all parts of the world.
There is no quick-fix, and there will be people across the world who will ignore the virus at all times. I saw the Georgia crowd yesterday, and the attitude there was the virus is no problem. I think the same attitude is many places. That is why the virus will stay. For a long while still.
May be there will be a requirement of a vaccination certificate to cross borders, like they have with yellow fever. I don't know. We will know a lot more during the next months.
When the entire world is vaccinated, at some point, and the corona virus is not taking thousands of lives per day anymore, like it does today, then we may live our normal lives, and may be, hopefully, there might be another Stones tour. I am sure there will be another one. Probably 2022. Hopefully.
I get that vaccines are the best way to combat it. It would be great to get everyone one and see if that makes it stop. It's just unfortunate that there will be a lot of people refusing to get one. Then there's people that know they have it and get on planes...
I've thought for years that the extinction of the human animal will be because of greed. What kind of greed I have never been able to figure out, it can be simple or difficult to look at, but it looks like a form of it is quite present now and it's incredibly bad in the United States, I can't speak for anywhere else because living in the US and attempting to wade through all the BS is mentally exhausting enough and it manages to change every day and get more ridiculous. I would like to think the mentality of everywhere but the US is not like the US in regard to COVID-19. It seems like that is the case in general but I haven't been able to read enough to really know if that's truly possible or realistic. HA HA I would think so! Do other countries beat their chests like the US? My time in Europe and the Caribbean revealed to me that it's open and welcoming and this is how we are, no attitude.
South Korea maybe?
I find my own concern to be accurate even though I know there's nothing I can do about what happens even a mile from my house yet alone other continents. I know someone that basically says "Screw all those foreigners" about COVID etc and it just blows my mind that that attitude exists in the US, as if the US is impervious to the rest of the world even though the US is entirely made up of people from anywhere else to begin with... and viruses don't care where they're from or where they're going or who they're infecting.
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Australia must me the smartest country in the world when it comes to fighting covid-19.
Covid in Australia: Melbourne to exit 112-day lockdown (BBC 26 November 2020)
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Travel between states was banned. Now Victoria/Melbourne is out of their lockdown. South Australia did a similar but much shorter lockdown, action on a few cases, and they are already out of that lockdown.
South Australia to end coronavirus lockdown three days early after pizza worker's 'lie' (ABC News 20 November 2020)
Most countries do too little too late. By doing a quick and complete lockdown when case numbers grow fast, it is much easier to open up schools and other business, and test/trace work is much easier.
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Denmark is going into lock down now. Schools, travel, work, bars, restaurants are closing:
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We will probably see more lock down action this month, in countries, as leaders across the world face the facts about ever increasing cases and deaths from covid-19.
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I hear this all the time: "We have to keep business open". How can you keep business open when hospitals are overwhelmed by covid-19 cases? How can you keep business open when there are a bunch of freezer containers in the backyard of the larger hospitals? Fact is, the tougher you are with a lock down, the faster you may open up.
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I hear this all the time: "We have to keep business open". How can you keep business open when hospitals are overwhelmed by covid-19 cases? How can you keep business open when there are a bunch of freezer containers in the backyard of the larger hospitals? Fact is, the tougher you are with a lock down, the faster you may open up.
Hi, bv. No hospital in the U.K. is currently overwhelmed by Covid-19.
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That is good news. Hopefully it will stay that way.
Football fans return to some professional games in England: Poll finds division among supporters (BBC 2 Dec)
Clubs in certain areas of England can now allow a limited number of supporters into their stadiums following a relaxation of coronavirus restrictions.
The nationwide lockdown in England ended at midnight, meaning clubs in tier one of the new restrictions can have up to 4,000 fans attend matches, with up to 2,000 allowed at games in tier-two areas.
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They say we will struggle with the corona virus until most parts of the world is vaccinated. Africa. Asia. Rich and poor. We travel, people meet, the virus does not stop at borders. Luckily there is international work now to finance vaccine to countries who are not stacked with money.
Many elderly, and people at risk, will probably have a vaccine by the first half of 2021, then we will spend 6-12 months of re-vaccination, getting more vaccine, and get it out to all parts of the world.
There is no quick-fix, and there will be people across the world who will ignore the virus at all times. I saw the Georgia crowd yesterday, and the attitude there was the virus is no problem. I think the same attitude is many places. That is why the virus will stay. For a long while still.
May be there will be a requirement of a vaccination certificate to cross borders, like they have with yellow fever. I don't know. We will know a lot more during the next months.
When the entire world is vaccinated, at some point, and the corona virus is not taking thousands of lives per day anymore, like it does today, then we may live our normal lives, and may be, hopefully, there might be another Stones tour. I am sure there will be another one. Probably 2022. Hopefully.
I get that vaccines are the best way to combat it. It would be great to get everyone one and see if that makes it stop. It's just unfortunate that there will be a lot of people refusing to get one. Then there's people that know they have it and get on planes...
I've thought for years that the extinction of the human animal will be because of greed. What kind of greed I have never been able to figure out, it can be simple or difficult to look at, but it looks like a form of it is quite present now and it's incredibly bad in the United States, I can't speak for anywhere else because living in the US and attempting to wade through all the BS is mentally exhausting enough and it manages to change every day and get more ridiculous. I would like to think the mentality of everywhere but the US is not like the US in regard to COVID-19. It seems like that is the case in general but I haven't been able to read enough to really know if that's truly possible or realistic. HA HA I would think so! Do other countries beat their chests like the US? My time in Europe and the Caribbean revealed to me that it's open and welcoming and this is how we are, no attitude.
South Korea maybe?
I find my own concern to be accurate even though I know there's nothing I can do about what happens even a mile from my house yet alone other continents. I know someone that basically says "Screw all those foreigners" about COVID etc and it just blows my mind that that attitude exists in the US, as if the US is impervious to the rest of the world even though the US is entirely made up of people from anywhere else to begin with... and viruses don't care where they're from or where they're going or who they're infecting.
If you look at the (USA) John Hopkins University data site [www.arcgis.com] (scroll down on the left) you'll see that South Korea, after a good start, is now not doing quite so well.
Scroll down even further and you'll see how very well New Zealand and Australia are doing. In Australia we have, to all intents an purposes, eliminated local transmissions. Where I live (Victoria, same as Rockman) there have been no community transmissions for 39 days. Zero. 39 days. Nationally there are, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, a small number of infections being brought in by inbound travellers. Inbound travellers are all subject to 14 days quarantine, and when here are expected to keep to our rules (which are now very relaxed).
We have had zero deaths since late October. (The JHU graph shows a recent death, but that was a reclassification of a death from some time earlier in the year)
It breaks my heart to see the plague proportions of this infection in the USA (and the UK and many other places). Almost two people a minute are dying from the infection in the USA, and about 150 per hour are getting infected.
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
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There is an issue in the US currently with the thought of another lockdown and that it can't ie shouldn't because of businesses going under etc.
Fine, stay open and "be in business". However, duhhhhhh, if people are infected and staying home or people are dying and people are staying home because of that well placed fear, and businesses are open but no one is showing up, what difference does it make to be open? There will be new complaints - no one is supporting us!
That's the liberty part that is frustrating. As if just by being open everything is fine.
It does sound to me that a lot of those people saying such a thing are the ones that have the idiotic belief that whoever is going to take their guns away. How that one remains a talking point I'll never understand but the US is full of drama queens that love to complain and make everything political and gaseously prattle conspiracies, as in "the Dems" usual kind of thing, not necessarily one person.
It's become quite a drag to face the political vomit of people because of their beliefs and not facts, which I get is difficult to figure out but gee, sorry it requires just a little bit of an open mind, effort and the constant one, time, which we all have plenty of until we die. I am an independent voter so I will talk a bit with some about past, present and whatever future but when it comes to debates or arguments with people because of their political position, durrrrr, regardless of that, debating/arguing about it all changes NOTHING (even if it is facts), but it does limit who to hang out with, and it's getting quite lonely.
Where I live there are several restaurants that are pretty good (in regard to here, not compared to Manhattan etc) and that hilarious ding dong Guy Fieri visited one place, that had recently moved, with his hilarious little show. It was the usual "the best anywhere" garbage and all that - but the people of the town new better, and who supports a local business?
People that live there.
Less people showed up after that show aired. They had press clippings etc. My family went (we didn't know about the show until we walked in and saw the clippings, we were just going to check out the new bigger place because the previous one was quite small and it had been a while so, see if it's worth bothering with - we did see it after and had a good laugh). Their "all you can eat shrimp" was not as promoted. We let some friends know and we never went back.
They closed down and put on their social media page that because no one supported them they had to close. They complained that people stopped showing up, that it was the people of the town's fault that they closed.
Clearly it was. After all, if you go to a place and it sucks, why go back? You'd tell your friends not to bother, and since nothing was done to improve anything, no one was ever told that anything improved, so... bye.
That kind of mentality is thriving with the "schools and businesses need to be open" attitude, even though people are getting sick at both. OK. Be open. But if no one shows up because they're paying attention to the science and the owners are going strictly on what they believe, beliefs/opinions are not facts, and when it's your livelihood, obviously evolving a bit isn't happening.
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
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It is hard to work from home if you are a bus driver, a taxi driver, a nurse or a doctor, or if you work in a low-paid factory meat line supplying cheap meat to the consumers. The pandemic is highly unfair when it comes to who is able to escape from it, and who is taking the toll.
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It is hard to work from home if you are a bus driver, a taxi driver, a nurse or a doctor, or if you work in a low-paid factory meat line supplying cheap meat to the consumers. The pandemic is highly unfair when it comes to who is able to escape from it, and who is taking the toll.
I attended my place-of-work throughout lockdown. I do not want to work from home. I wouldn’t wish to work from home, even I were paid twice the rate.
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
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This breaking news isn't going to help.
Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses.
"Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. government additional doses of its Covid-19 vaccine, according to people familiar with the matter. Now Pfizer may not be able provide more of its vaccine to the United States until next June because of its commitments to other countries, they said."
[www.nytimes.com]
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Captain Corella: businesses have to survive and people need to go about their daily lives. The nation is sick of Covid-19 and, quite frankly, ludicrous 'tier systems' I'm all for social-distancing and wearing a facial-covering, but that should be it. We need to live. Those who are petrified are welcome to stay in their bunker until there's a vaccine and Covid-19 is under control. That's their choice.
Stupidity like this is why countries like the US and UK are not like Australia and New Zealand. The most ridiculous part of this statement is highlighted. There are many essential (sacrificial) workers who do not have the option of staying home in their bunker while Covidiots are out infecting them.
Hurling insults rarely works to convince people to listen to you.
generally, it has the opposite effect.
just saying.
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MisterDDDD
This breaking news isn't going to help.
Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses.
"Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. government additional doses of its Covid-19 vaccine, according to people familiar with the matter. Now Pfizer may not be able provide more of its vaccine to the United States until next June because of its commitments to other countries, they said."
[www.nytimes.com]
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MileHigh
First of all, we already have a "cold chain" for the delivery of products like ice cream. Governments can commandeer those resources for the distribution of the vaccine. We can all do without ice cream for three months.