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But, but, but capturing into music and into an ensuing album that "Coming Down Feeling" from having fulfilled their former demanding albums after the artistic turn of their career and as such embodying a certain resulting lethargic state of mind from this long moment, does not this instead mean transforming a weakness into an asset when one experiences this more or less unified unique feel that GOATS HEAD SOUP conveys in this special way?
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But, but, but capturing into music and into an ensuing album that "Coming Down Feeling" from having fulfilled their former demanding albums after the artistic turn of their career and as such embodying a certain resulting lethargic state of mind from this long moment, does not this instead mean transforming a weakness into an asset when one experiences this more or less unified unique feel that GOATS HEAD SOUP conveys in this special way?
This is a perfect example of polishing the turd that is GHS.
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But, but, but capturing into music and into an ensuing album that "Coming Down Feeling" from having fulfilled their former demanding albums after the artistic turn of their career and as such embodying a certain resulting lethargic state of mind from this long moment, does not this instead mean transforming a weakness into an asset when one experiences this more or less unified unique feel that GOATS HEAD SOUP conveys in this special way?
This is a perfect example of polishing the turd that is GHS.
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But, but, but capturing into music and into an ensuing album that "Coming Down Feeling" from having fulfilled their former demanding albums after the artistic turn of their career and as such embodying a certain resulting lethargic state of mind from this long moment, does not this instead mean transforming a weakness into an asset when one experiences this more or less unified unique feel that GOATS HEAD SOUP conveys in this special way?
This is a perfect example of polishing the turd that is GHS.
Well, if GHS is a turd I wonder what everything that came after it is in your book.
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Keith is pretty absent on GHS I believe?
Absent? He's just as absent as Taylor was for IORR, MIA on three tracks
Yet he gets songwriting credit on everything. Let’s be honest, Richards being absent is a bigger deal than Taylor or Wyman being absent.
Taylor missed the first IORR sessions due to an “illness” (I suspect maybe some party favors on the ‘73 tour), otherwise he probably would have had bits on a few more songs.
Who knows why Richards was absent.
As you know well, Mick and Keith have a songwriting partnership. Hence Mick gets credit on Keith-songs and vice versa. Taylor never wrote songs from scratch for the Stones, as far as I know.
Yeah, I understand the partnership and why it could be considered frustrating to a new band member, especially one who worked with the very considerate John Mayall.
Perhaps the only song from scratch Taylor wrote was the riff to “Ventilator Blues”, hence the credit. It appears Taylor felt merely writing the riff wasn’t as an important of a contribution as his playing on “Sway” and “Moonlight Mike”, for instance.
I thought it was already agreed that Taylor had nothing to do with the writing of Ventilator Blues.
At least according to Taylor himself
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But, but, but capturing into music and into an ensuing album that "Coming Down Feeling" from having fulfilled their former demanding albums after the artistic turn of their career and as such embodying a certain resulting lethargic state of mind from this long moment, does not this instead mean transforming a weakness into an asset when one experiences this more or less unified unique feel that GOATS HEAD SOUP conveys in this special way?
This is a perfect example of polishing the turd that is GHS.
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First time I didn't like it that much, except for Angie and Heartbreaker. Some of the tracks are very 'thin' and very shallow. I never liked Hide Your Love, Silver Train and Star Star. Cheap production, simple lyrics, no groove, boring vibe. Still not really my favorite tracks.
BUT the other tracks grew on me. Coming down again is a real gem. That junkie sensitive voice of Keith... love it. Can you hear the music isn't their best work, but I can really feel that psychedelic 70s summer vibe.
If they only could add Tops and Waiting on a friend here. It would make this album much stronger.
I liked IORR little bit more than GHS. All because of Time waits for no one. That track does it for me. Totally not a typical Stones track, but so beautiful and produced very well.
I've played this album so many times. That funky wah wah groove on Fingerprint file. Soulful sounds on If you really want to be my friend, Ain't too proud to beg. Kick ass rock sounds and lyrics on If you can't rock me.
The weaker tracks are Luxury and Short and curlies. Hate those tracks. Boring.
And yes, I'm a Mick Taylor fan!
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First time I didn't like it that much, except for Angie and Heartbreaker. Some of the tracks are very 'thin' and very shallow. I never liked Hide Your Love, Silver Train and Star Star. Cheap production, simple lyrics, no groove, boring vibe. Still not really my favorite tracks.
BUT the other tracks grew on me. Coming down again is a real gem. That junkie sensitive voice of Keith... love it. Can you hear the music isn't their best work, but I can really feel that psychedelic 70s summer vibe.
If they only could add Tops and Waiting on a friend here. It would make this album much stronger.
I liked IORR little bit more than GHS. All because of Time waits for no one. That track does it for me. Totally not a typical Stones track, but so beautiful and produced very well.
I've played this album so many times. That funky wah wah groove on Fingerprint file. Soulful sounds on If you really want to be my friend, Ain't too proud to beg. Kick ass rock sounds and lyrics on If you can't rock me.
The weaker tracks are Luxury and Short and curlies. Hate those tracks. Boring.
And yes, I'm a Mick Taylor fan!
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iorr by a country mile.
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Dancing with Mr d.. is just not very good..
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GHS had the superior producer -- Jimmy Miller.
When listening to IORR I sometimes get the impression that the novice producers were learning on the job. Sometimes the Glimmer Twins didn't glimmer.
Off topic: Somebody needs to do a thorough appreciation of what Jimmy Miller meant to the Rolling Stones. It's no coincidence that the Rolling Stones' golden age coincided with Miller's tenure.
According to Keith Miller was mostly carving swastikas on the mixing desk by GHS.
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GHS had the superior producer -- Jimmy Miller.
When listening to IORR I sometimes get the impression that the novice producers were learning on the job. Sometimes the Glimmer Twins didn't glimmer.
Off topic: Somebody needs to do a thorough appreciation of what Jimmy Miller meant to the Rolling Stones. It's no coincidence that the Rolling Stones' golden age coincided with Miller's tenure.
According to Keith Miller was mostly carving swastikas on the mixing desk by GHS.
I'm pretty sure he was doing a lot more than that. Listen to the album. Nobody recorded drums as well as Miller. That quote is just Keith being glib.
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GHS had the superior producer -- Jimmy Miller.
When listening to IORR I sometimes get the impression that the novice producers were learning on the job. Sometimes the Glimmer Twins didn't glimmer.
Off topic: Somebody needs to do a thorough appreciation of what Jimmy Miller meant to the Rolling Stones. It's no coincidence that the Rolling Stones' golden age coincided with Miller's tenure.
According to Keith Miller was mostly carving swastikas on the mixing desk by GHS.
I'm pretty sure he was doing a lot more than that. Listen to the album. Nobody recorded drums as well as Miller. That quote is just Keith being glib.
Miller didn't record anything. He was the (co-)producer. Andy Johns mixed the album. Mikey Chung most probably set up the mics.
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GHS had the superior producer -- Jimmy Miller.
When listening to IORR I sometimes get the impression that the novice producers were learning on the job. Sometimes the Glimmer Twins didn't glimmer.
Off topic: Somebody needs to do a thorough appreciation of what Jimmy Miller meant to the Rolling Stones. It's no coincidence that the Rolling Stones' golden age coincided with Miller's tenure.
According to Keith Miller was mostly carving swastikas on the mixing desk by GHS.
I'm pretty sure he was doing a lot more than that. Listen to the album. Nobody recorded drums as well as Miller. That quote is just Keith being glib.
Miller didn't record anything. He was the (co-)producer. Andy Johns mixed the album. Mikey Chung most probably set up the mics.
That’s not true. If you dig, you can find Jimmy Miller’s recording techniques on the internet, magazines, and books. Here’s one example of micing a Leslie Speaker: [youtu.be]
Lots of Leslie on the Stones recordings with him behind the glass. Unfortunately, nobody cared to interview him in-depth many times before he passed away.
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Both album have their highlights and weaknesses. It makes little sense to compare song to song. It's more the overall mood and expression of an album that leaves a superior feeling. Moreover, it's always individual taste in rating an album.
I always liked GHS better than IORR but wouldn't say that the latter is their worst 1970s album. B&B is worse than IORR ...
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GHS had the superior producer -- Jimmy Miller.
When listening to IORR I sometimes get the impression that the novice producers were learning on the job. Sometimes the Glimmer Twins didn't glimmer.
Off topic: Somebody needs to do a thorough appreciation of what Jimmy Miller meant to the Rolling Stones. It's no coincidence that the Rolling Stones' golden age coincided with Miller's tenure.
According to Keith Miller was mostly carving swastikas on the mixing desk by GHS.
I'm pretty sure he was doing a lot more than that. Listen to the album. Nobody recorded drums as well as Miller. That quote is just Keith being glib.
Miller didn't record anything. He was the (co-)producer. Andy Johns mixed the album. Mikey Chung most probably set up the mics.
That’s not true. If you dig, you can find Jimmy Miller’s recording techniques on the internet, magazines, and books. Here’s one example of micing a Leslie Speaker: [youtu.be]
Lots of Leslie on the Stones recordings with him behind the glass. Unfortunately, nobody cared to interview him in-depth many times before he passed away.
On GHS.
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GHS had the superior producer -- Jimmy Miller.
When listening to IORR I sometimes get the impression that the novice producers were learning on the job. Sometimes the Glimmer Twins didn't glimmer.
Off topic: Somebody needs to do a thorough appreciation of what Jimmy Miller meant to the Rolling Stones. It's no coincidence that the Rolling Stones' golden age coincided with Miller's tenure.
According to Keith Miller was mostly carving swastikas on the mixing desk by GHS.
I'm pretty sure he was doing a lot more than that. Listen to the album. Nobody recorded drums as well as Miller. That quote is just Keith being glib.
Miller didn't record anything. He was the (co-)producer. Andy Johns mixed the album. Mikey Chung most probably set up the mics.
That’s not true. If you dig, you can find Jimmy Miller’s recording techniques on the internet, magazines, and books. Here’s one example of micing a Leslie Speaker: [youtu.be]
Lots of Leslie on the Stones recordings with him behind the glass. Unfortunately, nobody cared to interview him in-depth many times before he passed away.
On GHS.
Lots of Leslie on the GHS sessions, yes?
Anyhow, the man with the microphone has the strongest voice, so you will not hear much from Jimmy Miller about GHS because he was never asked. The Stones stopped listening to him as their executive producer sometime during Exile, according to Andy Johns. The way I took the Richards quote is that Miller wasn’t able to contribute in the production capacity he was used to. This does not mean he didn’t work hand in hand with the engineers constructing a sonic footprint.
Also it’s a bit strange for a Jewish man to be carving swastikas, amirite?
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GHS had the superior producer -- Jimmy Miller.
When listening to IORR I sometimes get the impression that the novice producers were learning on the job. Sometimes the Glimmer Twins didn't glimmer.
Off topic: Somebody needs to do a thorough appreciation of what Jimmy Miller meant to the Rolling Stones. It's no coincidence that the Rolling Stones' golden age coincided with Miller's tenure.
According to Keith Miller was mostly carving swastikas on the mixing desk by GHS.
I'm pretty sure he was doing a lot more than that. Listen to the album. Nobody recorded drums as well as Miller. That quote is just Keith being glib.
Miller didn't record anything. He was the (co-)producer. Andy Johns mixed the album. Mikey Chung most probably set up the mics.
That’s not true. If you dig, you can find Jimmy Miller’s recording techniques on the internet, magazines, and books. Here’s one example of micing a Leslie Speaker: [youtu.be]
Lots of Leslie on the Stones recordings with him behind the glass. Unfortunately, nobody cared to interview him in-depth many times before he passed away.
On GHS.
Lots of Leslie on the GHS sessions, yes?
Anyhow, the man with the microphone has the strongest voice, so you will not hear much from Jimmy Miller about GHS because he was never asked. The Stones stopped listening to him as their executive producer sometime during Exile, according to Andy Johns. The way I took the Richards quote is that Miller wasn’t able to contribute in the production capacity he was used to. This does not mean he didn’t work hand in hand with the engineers constructing a sonic footprint.
Also it’s a bit strange for a Jewish man to be carving swastikas, amirite?
Not if you're high as a kite
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Dancing with Mr d.. is just not very good..
Quite true. But the fault lies with the man who wrote the lyrics. The tune itself is classic Keith Richards -- understated but very much in the groove. His writing partner provided the daft lyrics that kill the song.
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I like them both a lot. None of them are essential stones albums, yet, considered out of the context of the Stones catalog, they are very strong albums by all standards.
Interesting what TravelinMan noted above on the connection between Miller and the Leslie effect. In fact, the first thing that stands out on Soup is the new sound, that comes from the use of many new (for the Stones) effects (as opposed to the previous 4 albums): Leslie, Wha Wha, clavinets, etc.
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