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paulspendel
I can't go into detail now, and eventually it will come out, trust me, but if Brian had survived the fight at the pool that did him in, his future was doomed anyway.

Health? Legal? Personal safety?

At the of the 60's and up to the end of the 70's, to be a Rockstar/rockmusician meant, for lot of them, to be wasted on drugs and alcohol. It would have been very difficult in that context for Brian to get cleaned; yes it seems that his future was doomed.

Rockandroll,
Mops

Legal.

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paulspendel
Legal.

Interesting.

Yes,and frightening.

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paulspendel
Legal.

Please elaborate

In good time.

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Doxa


Yep, I've read a lot of speculations about whatever kind of plans (a supergroup with Lennon and Hendrix, joining Humble Pie, etc.), but as far as I know the most concrete thing was that of touring in Europe with Alexis Korner's band, but Alexis refused his offer, because he saw Brian was not in a condition for doing that.

- Doxa

In October 1969 I talked with Alexis Korner about Brian and Alexis did this very politely, you understand.

It's said that Mike Leckebusch from German TV Radio Bremen initially had the idea
of letting Brian do a solo performance in his show "Musikladen" but he also noticed Brian's horrible condition.
The rest is history.

"Brian Jones Leaves Rolling Stones"


I thought he was dead. It has been fake news all the time.

My goodness, what bad taste.

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JordyLicks96
Probably the saddest read from the article:
Neither Jones nor Jagger revealed what Jones is planning for the future. Said Mick: “He’s gotta do his own thing, man, and he hasn’t said anything to us about it.”

I think it´s this:

"Jagger invited Taylor to do a session with the Stones at the Barnes studios,
where the Stones have cut 17 tracks for their next two albums."

Today it´s the other way round.

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"Brian Jones Leaves Rolling Stones"


I thought he was dead. It has been fake news all the time.

I know it's 50 years ago but try and keep up.






"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

It's all speculative what Brian would have done, or could have done. At that point he was an okay rhythm player at best, not exactly a sought after position at that time, in the day and age of gun slinger guitarists. Who knows if he could have cleaned up and smartened up. Now he's just an object for people to write conspiracies about. He might have had legal problems, with all those kids to support, and a lifestyle that the money was going to dry up on very soon. Plus all his Stones history and royalties (as they were) were tied up with Allen Klein, not an envious position to be in.

Twenty Seven has proven to be a dangerous age, survive it and you can resurrect yourself, but you'd have to cut down at least on drugs and alcohol. People forget that Keith was the only serious abuser out of the original bunch. Mick seems to have had limits, only dabbling with Heroin, not making it a career. Charlie and Bill seemed happy with cigarettes and a couple drinks to make it through the night.

I don't know if Brian was involved with heroin. He seemed to be mainly a lush near the end. With cocaine and smack gaining steam at that time, it's questionable whether Brian could have resisted.

its sad brian could not see the road he was going down, he could have cleaned up and remained a vital part of the band, dont think they would have kicked out a functioning brian jones.

i just dont think brian would have moved on to greater things than what he done with the stones.

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JordyLicks96
Probably the saddest read from the article:
Neither Jones nor Jagger revealed what Jones is planning for the future. Said Mick: “He’s gotta do his own thing, man, and he hasn’t said anything to us about it.”

I think it´s this:

"Jagger invited Taylor to do a session with the Stones at the Barnes studios,
where the Stones have cut 17 tracks for their next two albums."

Today it´s the other way round.

I mean they do actually have about 20 tracks or so recorded right now it's just they really don't have a grasp on what they exactly want to do with them as far as mixes go.

If he'd lived, Brian would have had the taxman after him. He was heavily in debt at the time of his death and even a pay off (which Klein would have probably resisted) wouldn't have covered all his liabilities.
And unlike his former band mates, his earning power was significantly reduced.
With his legal problems any escape to a tax haven might have been problematical.

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24FPS
People forget that Keith was the only serious abuser out of the original bunch.

I don't know if Brian was involved with heroin. He seemed to be mainly a lush near the end. With cocaine and smack gaining steam at that time, it's questionable whether Brian could have resisted.

The prescribed drugs Brian was taking was just as serious. That on top of his alcoholism.

There are some hints Brian might have dabbled with heroin. Two unexpected sources being Stu and Macca. Keith ponders it in the Barbara Charone book, but quickly moves on to saying it's not what @#$%& Brian up.



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No musician in this world will ever move on to greater things than being a Rolling Stone, including Brian...………………………...or being a sideman/woman like Chuck or Lisa in the band.
The ultimate band member of any band.
Over the years since 1962 ,a talented group of people can say, 'I was, or am, a Rolling Stone band member'.

Of course Ian Stewart was there from the very start,but a few more since then.

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No musician in this world will ever move on to greater things than being a Rolling Stone, including Brian...………………………...or being a sideman/woman like Chuck or Lisa in the band.
The ultimate band member of any band.
Over the years since 1962 ,a talented group of people can say, 'I was, or am, a Rolling Stone band member'.

Of course Ian Stewart was there from the very start,but a few more since then.

That's why I think Bill was smart to not even try. He eventually did a low key thing that was in no way in competition with his old group. And he put out a fantastic solo album just a couple years back.

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paulspendel
In good time.

Hi Paul, how long is in good time? Are we talking weeks, months, years? I mean Brian has been gone 50 years now!

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paulspendel
In good time.

It’s been 50 years since Brian died... what possible ramifications legal or otherwise would even exist at this point?

there's a couple of Pythons pretty pissed
about their mother ending up in Brian's boots …….



ROCKMAN

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If he'd lived, Brian would have had the taxman after him. He was heavily in debt at the time of his death and even a pay off (which Klein would have probably resisted) wouldn't have covered all his liabilities.
And unlike his former band mates, his earning power was significantly reduced.
With his legal problems any escape to a tax haven might have been problematical.

Spot on, jlowe .
No misterious assumptions or hints. That was Brian's near future problem in 1969. Prince Rupert was able to "get the Rolling Stones out of the UK" in time in 1971. The band otherwise would have had major tax problems. The early 1971 "Goodbye Britain" tour wasn't just only for fun! Any kind of support like that would have been out of the question for Brian, had he lived. Klein? No way.

Here's another video from the Yesterday's Paper youtube channel. Some interesting stuff about Brian's music plans after the Stones. Some info I hadn't heard about. Mickey Waller was going to be the drummer of his new band and, apparently, Brian wanted to go for a Creedence Clearwater Revival-type sound.

Check it out:

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thanks very much, some information are new to me too, beautiful photos

here the article is in full...
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discussed here earlier...
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I didn't know Micky Waller sat in for Charlie back in the club days! I have a biography of Alexis Korner and it mentions musicians that got together with Brian to rehearse with. I'll have to dig the book up to see the names again.

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I didn't know Micky Waller sat in for Charlie back in the club days! I have a biography of Alexis Korner and it mentions musicians that got together with Brian to rehearse with. I'll have to dig the book up to see the names again.

I didn't know that either. What an amazing drummer. He also played in some of those excellent early solo albums by Rod Stewart.

Great Interview. I didn't catch any obvious mistakes. I still don't understand. The Stones DID return to roots music. It's what they were doing on Beggars, and Let It Bleed. Maybe Brian couldn't stand not being the leader. But wouldn't history have repeated itself? Brian hadn't been a singer to that point. He would have needed a vocalist. What if that vocalist got the bulk of the attention, again? I guess Brian thought he had to be the leader, when he obviously wasn't up to the task with the Stones.

John Fogerty was an excellent guitarist, songwriter, and front man. Brian was none of those. At one time he was a good guitarist but let it atrophy. I don't see a similarity between the two at all.

Interesting premise that Brian wanted to have a band that emulated CCR. Swamp rock, the backbone of a number of CCR/Fogerty songs, is akin to southern soul (a whole genre worth exploring on its own) which is related to the Stax/Volt sound coming out of Memphis in the 1960s, early 1970s. These sounds may have been what Brian liked as they have a 2nd/3rd cousin relationship to the blues. Coupled with an interest in world beat music, one can only wonder where Brian's music muse may have led him if he had had the discipline to get his sh*t together and realize the potential of his talent.

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Great Interview. I didn't catch any obvious mistakes. I still don't understand. The Stones DID return to roots music. It's what they were doing on Beggars, and Let It Bleed. Maybe Brian couldn't stand not being the leader. But wouldn't history have repeated itself? Brian hadn't been a singer to that point. He would have needed a vocalist. What if that vocalist got the bulk of the attention, again? I guess Brian thought he had to be the leader, when he obviously wasn't up to the task with the Stones.

John Fogerty was an excellent guitarist, songwriter, and front man. Brian was none of those. At one time he was a good guitarist but let it atrophy. I don't see a similarity between the two at all.

I think Brian's problem is that he wanted to be a leader but he wasn't made to be a leader. He was the kind of musician who was great at working within the context of a band and contributing to ideas that were presented to him. Some people are great at coming up with ideas and some people are great at contributing to those ideas and I guess that's the difference between Jagger/Richards and Brian Jones.