In 1968 it appears he was interested in electronic , spacey , music, like his mellotron on Stray Cat Blues and Jigsaw Puzzle.I think by 1969 Keith wanted a second guitarist to play blues rock.Brian euither wouldn’t or couldn’t by that time. So I think it just wasn’t the drugs or visa issues that led him to being asked to leave.

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In 1968 it appears he was interested in electronic , spacey , music, like his mellotron on Stray Cat Blues and Jigsaw Puzzle.I think by 1969 Keith wanted a second guitarist to play blues rock.Brian euither wouldn’t or couldn’t by that time. So I think it just wasn’t the drugs or visa issues that led him to being asked to leave.

I think they had moved beyond him. It was not the time for exotic instruments, it was the time of the electric guitar. He may have been the best musician in the band when they started, but the others had come miles in their abilities, and cohesiveness as a band. Brian didn't write songs. What was he going to do? Go back to being a cover band? With less talented musicians? This all just sounds like pipe dreams.

From what I've read, Brian apparently demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death. Two of the songs he demoed were called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" and "Chow Time".

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From what I've read, Brian apparently demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death. Two of the songs he demoed were called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" and "Chow Time".

Brian’s journey was vaguely similar to Syd Barrett’s. Have there been any books written on their parallels?

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From what I've read, Brian apparently demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death. Two of the songs he demoed were called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" and "Chow Time".

Brian’s journey was vaguely similar to Syd Barrett’s. Have there been any books written on their parallels?

I dunno but I agree, there are similarities.

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From what I've read, Brian apparently demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death. Two of the songs he demoed were called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" and "Chow Time".

Brian’s journey was vaguely similar to Syd Barrett’s. Have there been any books written on their parallels?

I dunno but I agree, there are similarities.

Except Barret was a singer, and a songwriter.

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From what I've read, Brian apparently demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death. Two of the songs he demoed were called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" and "Chow Time".

Brian’s journey was vaguely similar to Syd Barrett’s. Have there been any books written on their parallels?

I dunno but I agree, there are similarities.

Except Barret was a singer, and a songwriter.

Hence, the word vaguely. There are clearly similarities. Both band founders/leaders who became estranged from the bands they founded. Plus, both The Stones and Pink Floyd’s most well-known work is after their founders were out of the band.

According to someone who commented on the video, the singer in Brian's band was going to be Cleo Sylvestre. According to her wikipedia page: "In 1964 she released a single, "To Know Him Is to Love Him", under the name "Cleo", produced by Andrew Loog Oldham and backed by The Rolling Stones. After Brian Jones left the Rolling Stones in 1969, she agreed to rehearse with his new band."

I've heard the CCR claim before but not Waller. Interesting bit, though.

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In 1968 it appears he was interested in electronic , spacey , music, like his mellotron on Stray Cat Blues and Jigsaw Puzzle.I think by 1969 Keith wanted a second guitarist to play blues rock.Brian euither wouldn’t or couldn’t by that time. So I think it just wasn’t the drugs or visa issues that led him to being asked to leave.

I think they had moved beyond him. It was not the time for exotic instruments, it was the time of the electric guitar. He may have been the best musician in the band when they started, but the others had come miles in their abilities, and cohesiveness as a band. Brian didn't write songs. What was he going to do? Go back to being a cover band? With less talented musicians? This all just sounds like pipe dreams.

Fully agree with you. But there's this quote by Alexis Korner at 2:20:

"I'm not sure that he'd have made it. At the time that he died, he was sure that he would have made it and that's all that's important."

Looks like even Alexis wasn't convinced, and he was one of the few who actually heard and played on some of his new music.

Speaking of parallels, Mick Taylor comes to mind. Incredible contributions, after a while not happy with his role in the band, thinking that he could stand well on his own feet, only to realize that his solo career never fulfilled the (potential) promise. I tend to think that Brian's career after the Stones would have gone a similar way. But, as Alexis said, it's not important what we think. it's important that Brian was convinced when he died.

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From what I've read, Brian apparently demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death. Two of the songs he demoed were called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" and "Chow Time".

Brian’s journey was vaguely similar to Syd Barrett’s. Have there been any books written on their parallels?

I dunno but I agree, there are similarities.

Except Barret was a singer, and a songwriter.

Hence, the word vaguely. There are clearly similarities. Both band founders/leaders who became estranged from the bands they founded. Plus, both The Stones and Pink Floyd’s most well-known work is after their founders were out of the band.

Vaguely. Satisfaction? Jumping Jack Flash? Street Fighting Man? Ruby Tuesday?

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From what I've read, Brian apparently demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death. Two of the songs he demoed were called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" and "Chow Time".

Brian’s journey was vaguely similar to Syd Barrett’s. Have there been any books written on their parallels?

I dunno but I agree, there are similarities.

Except Barret was a singer, and a songwriter.

Hence, the word vaguely. There are clearly similarities. Both band founders/leaders who became estranged from the bands they founded. Plus, both The Stones and Pink Floyd’s most well-known work is after their founders were out of the band.

Vaguely. Satisfaction? Jumping Jack Flash? Street Fighting Man? Ruby Tuesday?

My post was confusing. I meant most (more than 1/2) of The Stones most well-known songs were after Brian was out. You’re a big fan. You know. You listed 4 songs. How many warhorses do they have? More than 8.

How long was it from the date Brian was canned to the date he drowned? A month? And wasn’t he in a sad state (drug addled, depressed) during this time?

I’ll have to read the Spanish Tony book again.

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From what I've read, Brian apparently demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death. Two of the songs he demoed were called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" and "Chow Time".

Brian’s journey was vaguely similar to Syd Barrett’s. Have there been any books written on their parallels?

I dunno but I agree, there are similarities.

Except Barret was a singer, and a songwriter.

Hence, the word vaguely. There are clearly similarities. Both band founders/leaders who became estranged from the bands they founded. Plus, both The Stones and Pink Floyd’s most well-known work is after their founders were out of the band.

Vaguely. Satisfaction? Jumping Jack Flash? Street Fighting Man? Ruby Tuesday?

My post was confusing. I meant most (more than 1/2) of The Stones most well-known songs were after Brian was out. You’re a big fan. You know. You listed 4 songs. How many warhorses do they have? More than 8.

Just playing Devils Advocate. I think some of their earlier songs would be warhorses, or at least rarities, if they'd just play the damn things.

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thanks very much, some information are new to me too, beautiful photos

here the article is in full...
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discussed here earlier...
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'Bravo' is a German tabloid magazine for teenagers… not a reliable source

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From what I've read, Brian apparently demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death. Two of the songs he demoed were called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" and "Chow Time".

Brian’s journey was vaguely similar to Syd Barrett’s. Have there been any books written on their parallels?

I dunno but I agree, there are similarities.

Except Barret was a singer, and a songwriter.

Hence, the word vaguely. There are clearly similarities. Both band founders/leaders who became estranged from the bands they founded. Plus, both The Stones and Pink Floyd’s most well-known work is after their founders were out of the band.

Vaguely. Satisfaction? Jumping Jack Flash? Street Fighting Man? Ruby Tuesday?

NashvilleBlues, you are comparing 7 years of Rolling Stones with Brian with 52 years without Brian. That's ridiculous. Percentage wise the Stones made more warhorses during those first 7 years than during the other 52 years. Also, who decides what warhorses are? 24FPS mentioned four, but The Last Time, Paint it Black (!) several Aftermath songs, Let's Spend the Night Together to me and many others are also warhorses. Several amazing cover songs (like Little Red Rooster, etc.) could easily be listed as warhorses.
Everybody knows Brian's unique contributions to the Stones music as well as his limitations and short coming. To find out about Brian's music plans, you have to enter the "parallel world" (dangerous though, because you might not be able to return to this world )).
As and old fan I treasure the memories of the "Brian days" as well as the "Mick T. days" and all that came after that and at this point I look ahead of what hopefully will come this year (new album?) and next year (some special concerts).


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From what I've read, Brian apparently demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death. Two of the songs he demoed were called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" and "Chow Time".

Brian’s journey was vaguely similar to Syd Barrett’s. Have there been any books written on their parallels?

I dunno but I agree, there are similarities.

Except Barret was a singer, and a songwriter.

Hence, the word vaguely. There are clearly similarities. Both band founders/leaders who became estranged from the bands they founded. Plus, both The Stones and Pink Floyd’s most well-known work is after their founders were out of the band.

Vaguely. Satisfaction? Jumping Jack Flash? Street Fighting Man? Ruby Tuesday?

NashvilleBlues, you are comparing 7 years of Rolling Stones with Brian with 52 years without Brian. That's ridiculous. Percentage wise the Stones made more warhorses during those first 7 years than during the other 52 years. Also, who decides what warhorses are? 24FPS mentioned four, but The Last Time, Paint it Black (!) several Aftermath songs, Let's Spend the Night Together to me and many others are also warhorses. Several amazing cover songs (like Little Red Rooster, etc.) could easily be listed as warhorses.
Everybody knows Brian's unique contributions to the Stones music as well as his limitations and short coming. To find out about Brian's music plans, you have to enter the "parallel world" (dangerous though, because you might not be able to return to this world )).
As and old fan I treasure the memories of the "Brian days" as well as the "Mick T. days" and all that came after that and at this point I look ahead of what hopefully will come this year (new album?) and next year (some special concerts).

I was comparing Jones vs Barrett.

Barrett’s time in Floyd compared to their whole career is similar to Jones’ in The Stones, percentage wise, roughly.

24 was disagreeing with the fact that most of The Stones well-known songs were after Brian. Then 24 admitted to playing devil’s advocate.

That is all.

And I love the hell out of Brian Jones. And Syd.

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I didn't know Micky Waller sat in for Charlie back in the club days! I have a biography of Alexis Korner and it mentions musicians that got together with Brian to rehearse with. I'll have to dig the book up to see the names again.

I didn't know that either. What an amazing drummer. He also played in some of those excellent early solo albums by Rod Stewart.

I found the Korner book, said Brian wanted to put together a British version of his current favourite band, CCR. Alexis organized rehearsals for the various musicians invited down to the farm, including the late Vincent Crane and Carl Palmer, then of Atomic Rooster, John Mayall, Mitch Mitchell and Jeff Beck's drummer Micky Waller.

Guess when I bought the book probably 20 years ago I didn't know who Micky Waller was!

I’m terms of popularity, surely their zenith was during Brian’s tenure? The Rolling Stones No.2 was their biggest-selling LP in the U.K. and single-wise, The Last Time represents their peak on home soil. All 8 UK #1 singles were released between 1964 and 1969, too.

Brian invited Steve Marriott too. Les Perrin’s wife owned some interesting acetates.

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Keith Relf.

Free to watch:

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This site has lots of music and film.

It made my blood run cold when I read what happened to Joan Fitzsimons following Brian's death. The filmmakers discuss all the possible theories and motives, but one thing is certain, the people responsible did not f uck around. They wanted Brian gone, and wanted his murder covered up.



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Some nice footage I have never seen before. Apart from that, anyone's guess.

After Joan came round she gave a statement to DS Grove from Chichester Police. His superior DCI Finley filed a report with the DPP (CPS).He was publicly forced to say there was nothing to Brian’s death (Daily Express end of August 1969. He retired in the mid nineties and soon after that his house was raided by the authorities who took all his files. Joan, in vain, tried to alert Sussex Police again in 1994 after the Crimewatch episode. I saw the notes, but she was ignored.
What is largely overlooked is that one of the builers witnessing the attack on Brian was an Chichester Police informant (Maurice ‘Mo’ Tucker). According to UK law you can’t have an informant in the witness box. Some of the officers involved from the Chicheser angle still meet at a pub regularly and discuss the old days. They know me and I know them but what can you do? You simple can’t crack the English old boys circuit.



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After Joan came round she gave a statement to DS Grove from Chichester Police. His superior DCI Finley filed a report with the DPP (CPS).He was publicly forced to say there was nothing to Brian’s death (Daily Express end of August 1969. He retired in the mid nineties and soon after that his house was raided by the authorities who took all his files. Joan, in vain, tried to alert Sussex Police again in 1994 after the Crimewatch episode. I saw the notes, but she was ignored.
What is largely overlooked is that one of the builers witnessing the attack on Brian was an Chichester Police informant (Maurice ‘Mo’ Tucker). According to UK law you can’t have an informant in the witness box. Some of the officers involved from the Chicheser angle still meet at a pub regularly and discuss the old days. They know me and I know them but what can you do? You simple can’t crack the English old boys circuit.

What a total load of bollocks.

Mathijs

Nice to see you introduce yourself with a rather long surname.

Hello Mathijs, through LinkedIn I sent you an invitation for a private conversation regarding a feature I am writing that mentions you. Could you contact me please because I believe in the journalistic principle of hearing both sides. Thank you. paul@psc-a.nl