I think BV is just being realistic ...and felt the need to state what should to most folks be blindingly obvious.

That being the requirement, from the time of Mick's "all clear" when he gets it, to reschedule something akin to a small invasion !

[In fact it's worse than arranging an invasion ...because you don't have to check the availability of the invaded territories or ask their permission to attack ]

The tickets are already sold, to current named venues. Unlike an airliner, where you may get another seat upon boarding, in case they replaced the current airplane with a different one, it does not make any sense to ask ticket buyers to go to another venue or another seat or another city. It is either tour on or tour off. That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated. There are also legal contracts involved, not really on a napkin, but rather formal and binding with terms.

Rescheduling the seven Australia and New Zealand shows in 2014 with new dates seven months later was a smaller task, still not easy. It took almost a month, from that tour was postponed on Mar 19, until the new dates were announced on Apr 15. Most of the venues were indoor, and they added two more shows to cover for extra expenses.

Now it is a much more complicated picture. We are talking about mostly outdoor venues, different climate conditions, two times as many shows, four times larger venues, US $10 million estimated ticket sales per venue, and a complicated logistics puzzle. I am not pessimistic, I am realistic. I hope they find a way to sort out the rescheduled tour, but I do keep in mind the complexity of the task, so that the news about the tour will not be to surprising, whenever they get official.

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It isn't really rocket science. The more days this takes the more the chance is that it is too complicated...

Bjornulf, it sounds as though you are becoming pessimistic about rescheduling the tour this year...

To be honest, I don't think that would necessarily be a bad thing. If it was moved to say, next Spring, Mick would very likely be fully recovered and back up to full fitness. Also much easier to book suitable venues that far ahead, even the very same ones.

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

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Even if the doctors were to clear Mick today, he'd be wise to spend a month or two of daily jogging at his previous pace. Nobody wants him to discover a few weeks into a tour that he hasn't recovered the stamina required for a tour. We don't want him to be sitting on a stool on the corner of the stage, softly humming our favorite tunes. Mick needs to run around the stage and runways while singing his lungs out for two hours.

I get the impression that some people want him on stage, even if he has to sing from a hospital bed.

Absolutly right, let Mick recover, the most important thing!

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The tickets are already sold, to current named venues. Unlike an airliner, where you may get another seat upon boarding, in case they replaced the current airplane with a different one, it does not make any sense to ask ticket buyers to go to another venue or another seat or another city. It is either tour on or tour off. That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated. There are also legal contracts involved, not really on a napkin, but rather formal and binding with terms.

Rescheduling the seven Australia and New Zealand shows in 2014 with new dates seven months later was a smaller task, still not easy. It took almost a month, from that tour was postponed on Mar 19, until the new dates were announced on Apr 15. Most of the venues were indoor, and they added two more shows to cover for extra expenses.

Now it is a much more complicated picture. We are talking about mostly outdoor venues, different climate conditions, two times as many shows, four times larger venues, US $10 million estimated ticket sales per venue, and a complicated logistics puzzle. I am not pessimistic, I am realistic. I hope they find a way to sort out the rescheduled tour, but I do keep in mind the complexity of the task, so that the news about the tour will not be to surprising, whenever they get official.

I am sure Joyce does not sleep since the tour was postponed.

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The tickets are already sold, to current named venues. Unlike an airliner, where you may get another seat upon boarding, in case they replaced the current airplane with a different one, it does not make any sense to ask ticket buyers to go to another venue or another seat or another city. It is either tour on or tour off. That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated. There are also legal contracts involved, not really on a napkin, but rather formal and binding with terms.

Rescheduling the seven Australia and New Zealand shows in 2014 with new dates seven months later was a smaller task, still not easy. It took almost a month, from that tour was postponed on Mar 19, until the new dates were announced on Apr 15. Most of the venues were indoor, and they added two more shows to cover for extra expenses.

Now it is a much more complicated picture. We are talking about mostly outdoor venues, different climate conditions, two times as many shows, four times larger venues, US $10 million estimated ticket sales per venue, and a complicated logistics puzzle. I am not pessimistic, I am realistic. I hope they find a way to sort out the rescheduled tour, but I do keep in mind the complexity of the task, so that the news about the tour will not be to surprising, whenever they get official.

And again, the doctors have to give a clearenance to Mick. That will not be overnight. If it take maybe 2 months, from then on the organisation can try to book stadiums and so on.
Maybe not good for my planning, or anybody else, but we have to live with it unfortunatly.

And it might all be sorted but waiting on medical clearance before they commit themselves to another tour that would risk cancellation should clearance or insurance not be granted.

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The age.

But jumpontopofmebaby said this was a no brainer. Schedules wide open at all venues and shows easily rescheduled.

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The age.

nah, I think they play until at least 80(Mick/Keith)

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The age.

nah, I think they play until at least 80 (Mick/Keith)

I think that too - when the Rolling Stones celebrate in 2023 their 60th Anniversary of Charlie's membership as well as 60 years of their 1st Single, then Mick & Keith are almost 80 years old, Ronnie will be 76 and Charlie 82 in June 2023.

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The ticket buyers purchased tickets for a tour and shows in April/May/June 2019. If the "product purchased" i.e. the entire tour would be rescheduled for 12 months then I would assume there are a few challenges related to that, like holding on to customer money i.e. approx 150 million us dollars for an extra year, and so on.

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But jumpontopofmebaby said this was a no brainer. Schedules wide open at all venues and shows easily rescheduled.

Really? Assuming the crew has nothing else booked for the rest of the year, and all five star hotels are wide open and available on all possible dates, also crew hotels, band appointments and so on? Nothing is a "no brainer" here, I think.

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The age.

nah, I think they play until at least 80(Mick/Keith)

In 2014 (NZ / AU) MJ was not sick, so they could agree on binding dates.

Now, before MJ is cleared by the doctors, they can not sign any final agreement on venues - they can do tentative agreements, but nothing final. And no venue will block dates just for the fun of it.

No insurance company wants to be involved with anything before Jagger is 100% cleared. They might like Stones a lot, but still this is +100 million USD business - so be patient. It might be this year / it might be next year.

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The ticket buyers purchased tickets for a tour and shows in April/May/June 2019. If the "product purchased" i.e. the entire tour would be rescheduled for 12 months then I would assume there are a few challenges related to that, like holding on to customer money i.e. approx 150 million us dollars for an extra year, and so on.

Yep, this is the biggest issue I think with rescheduling to 2020. The average fan is likely to cash in on their refund, and well I'm sure they would sell well if they put those refunded tickets back on sale at a later date, it's a risk to have to refund resale tickets, premium tickets, and even some of the more expensive face value tickets due to postponing a full year, if that were to happen.

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The ticket buyers purchased tickets for a tour and shows in April/May/June 2019. If the "product purchased" i.e. the entire tour would be rescheduled for 12 months then I would assume there are a few challenges related to that, like holding on to customer money i.e. approx 150 million us dollars for an extra year, and so on.

Yep, this is the biggest issue I think with rescheduling to 2020. The average fan is likely to cash in on their refund, and well I'm sure they would sell well if they put those refunded tickets back on sale at a later date, it's a risk to have to refund resale tickets, premium tickets, and even some of the more expensive face value tickets due to postponing a full year, if that were to happen.

Ozzy Osbourne just did it.

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The age.

I think Charlie could call it quits with a year off.

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But jumpontopofmebaby said this was a no brainer. Schedules wide open at all venues and shows easily rescheduled.

Really? Assuming the crew has nothing else booked for the rest of the year, and all five star hotels are wide open and available on all possible dates, also crew hotels, band appointments and so on? Nothing is a "no brainer" here, I think.

I am with you BV. For the reasons you have noted. I was just following up on earlier thread comments.

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But jumpontopofmebaby said this was a no brainer. Schedules wide open at all venues and shows easily rescheduled.

Really? Assuming the crew has nothing else booked for the rest of the year, and all five star hotels are wide open and available on all possible dates, also crew hotels, band appointments and so on? Nothing is a "no brainer" here, I think.

I am with you BV. For the reasons you have noted. I was just following up on earlier thread comments.

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Some people are clueless to what it take to put on a tour.

If Mick is healthy it will happen. I still think Mick has not been 100% released.

When he is the dates will fly. And are probably already confirmed.

I say If you doubt that refund your tickets. And plan for next year

I am not clueless as to what it takes and neither are the people making this happen.

So. I will sit here and read all the post that say oh my football, hotels, etc.

Most of these problems existed when the planed it in the beginning


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It can takes many times to reschedule the tour. And it is not only due to logistic difficulties.

I think nothing is decided yet and nothing has been undertaken. The promoters and Stones camp will start finding new dates only once they are fully certain that Mick is ok at 100% (which can takes time).

I may be wrong.

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The age.

nah, I think they play until at least 80(Mick/Keith)

I think he's talking about our age!

I know it's only rock and roll but i like it

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The age.

Exactly.

That’s why I’m getting a refund and going to McCartney

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That’s why I’m getting a refund and going to McCartney

Enjoy.
I remember the days of having to choo$e between show$.

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That’s why I’m getting a refund and going to McCartney

He was great at Desert Trip....the secret is --surround yourself with 25-30 year old band members. (Mick does this but not with musicians!)

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That’s why I’m getting a refund and going to McCartney

He was great at Desert Trip....the secret is --surround yourself with 25-30 year old band members. (Mick does this but not with musicians!)

Except Paul doesn't do that. He's had the same touring band for the past 18 years...Brian Ray (guitar/bass) is 64...Paul 'Wix' Wickens (keyboards) is 63...Rusty Anderson (guitar) is 60...and Abe Laboriel Jr. (drums) is 48.

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That is why the task of rescheduling is complicated.

What are actually the drawbacks of rescheduling the whole Tour simply to 2020 - same venues, same date range?

The age.

nah, I think they play until at least 80(Mick/Keith)

I think he's talking about our age!

Lol