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Seems more like Hunter Meredith was acting in self defense
This is close to the truth, but it would be more accurate to say that he attempted to defend himself. It is so ludicrous that Passaro was acquitted of murder with a claim of "self defense". When is it that Hunter attacked anyone ? He was set upon by a pack of jackals who lied for each other (why is it that no other Angel was charged with say assault and battery, aggravated assault or mayhem) and judged "not guilty" by a dozen frightened citizens.
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So the consensus seems to be pro angels? I bet you guys masturbate whilst watching Gimme Shelter !
Existing possibility that some of these pro-angel folk are simply RW gun lovers...
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So the consensus seems to be pro angels? I bet you guys masturbate whilst watching Gimme Shelter !
Existing possibility that some of these pro-angel folk are simply RW gun lovers...
If the Angels were going against the guy with the gun then wouldn't they be LW?? Typical isn't it. Kevin got nothing left so he get's crude and Curt saying something completely opposite to inject politics into it. Last but not least, stanlove will be on soon to fight the fight for the right.
Face it guys, you don't give a crap about any of this. Only politics. Go finish this up on the FOX and MSNBC forums.
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So the consensus seems to be pro angels? I bet you guys masturbate whilst watching Gimme Shelter !
Existing possibility that some of these pro-angel folk are simply RW gun lovers...
If the Angels were going against the guy with the gun then wouldn't they be LW?? Typical isn't it. Kevin got nothing left so he get's crude and Curt saying something completely opposite to inject politics into it. Last but not least, stanlove will be on soon to fight the fight for the right.
Face it guys, you don't give a crap about any of this. Only politics. Go finish this up on the FOX and MSNBC forums.
Actually my name isn’t Kevin. True I don’t really give a crap about 95% of what’s been typed here. I just dispute the OP and his suggestion that whoever killed Hunter is a hero. But I have found some of the “good ole boy” sentiments expressed within this thread rather disturbing.
And I wasn’t seeking to be crude. Just suggesting that some here actually get their rocks off watching the violence perpetrated by the angels in Gimme Shelter.
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So the consensus seems to be pro angels? I bet you guys masturbate whilst watching Gimme Shelter !
Existing possibility that some of these pro-angel folk are simply RW gun lovers...
If the Angels were going against the guy with the gun then wouldn't they be LW?? Typical isn't it. Kevin got nothing left so he get's crude and Curt saying something completely opposite to inject politics into it. Last but not least, stanlove will be on soon to fight the fight for the right.
Face it guys, you don't give a crap about any of this. Only politics. Go finish this up on the FOX and MSNBC forums.
Actually my name isn’t Kevin. True I don’t really give a crap about 95% of what’s been typed here. I just dispute the OP and his suggestion that whoever killed Hunter is a hero. But I have found some of the “good ole boy” sentiments expressed within this thread rather disturbing.
And I wasn’t seeking to be crude. Just suggesting that some here actually get their rocks off watching the violence perpetrated by the angels in Gimme Shelter.
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I just saw this thread.. there is no doubt in my mind, and David Maysles made the same point to me when he showed me the footage...if Hunter's girlfriend didn't have on a white sweater, we wouldn't have seen the gun in Meredith's hand and a lot of you would have been screaming, it's bloody murder instead of self defense.
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He didn't give him any verbal provocation or anything. So they're chasing through the crowd. And they hitting him and one Hell's Angel pulled out a knife and stabbed him in the back. What kind of knife? I couldn't tell. I just saw the flash of the blade. Everything was happening too fast. And he hit him in the back and he pulled out a gun and held it up in the air you know . . . like that was kind of his last resort, you know
Sounds like self defense to me.
He brought a gun to a concert? He chose to return with a gun pointing at the "Angel". That's not self defense. Not defending the Hells Angels at all but Hunter was high and armed and got into a fight/was being picked on by the Hells Angels. Many were that day and none of them pulled a gun and none of them got killed.
None of them were being stabbed either
Huh? Wasn't the stabbing after the gun was pulled? .... wow, it's amazing how far some will go to try to prove a point.
Terraplane looks to me as a lonely person, who just wants some conversation. He probably never watched the Gimme Shelter documentary, so comes up with pointless remarks. Other option is that his/her eyesight is not up to what it should be and then one only should feel sorry for terraplane.
No offense though
I am neither lonely, starved for conversation, nor is my eyesight poor. I have seen the Gimme Shelter movie. My remark was simply that Hunter was likely acting in self-defense (based on the eyewitness account that somebody else posted above). Try to keep up.
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I just saw this thread.. there is no doubt in my mind, and David Maysles made the same point to me when he showed me the footage...if Hunter's girlfriend didn't have on a white sweater, we wouldn't have seen the gun in Meredith's hand and a lot of you would have been screaming, it's bloody murder instead of self defense.
I was thankful there was an 'angel' there to take out the gun man..(No need to arm teachers with guns if we put an Angel-[brought a knife to a gun fight and won] in each classroom...
I also felt that the violence was perpetrated by the alcohol,drugs,lack of sleep, lack of food and water, close quarters...and the Hell's Angels' initiates trying to score points...
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He didn't give him any verbal provocation or anything. So they're chasing through the crowd. And they hitting him and one Hell's Angel pulled out a knife and stabbed him in the back. What kind of knife? I couldn't tell. I just saw the flash of the blade. Everything was happening too fast. And he hit him in the back and he pulled out a gun and held it up in the air you know . . . like that was kind of his last resort, you know
Sounds like self defense to me.
He brought a gun to a concert? He chose to return with a gun pointing at the "Angel". That's not self defense. Not defending the Hells Angels at all but Hunter was high and armed and got into a fight/was being picked on by the Hells Angels. Many were that day and none of them pulled a gun and none of them got killed.
None of them were being stabbed either
Huh? Wasn't the stabbing after the gun was pulled? .... wow, it's amazing how far some will go to try to prove a point.
Terraplane looks to me as a lonely person, who just wants some conversation. He probably never watched the Gimme Shelter documentary, so comes up with pointless remarks. Other option is that his/her eyesight is not up to what it should be and then one only should feel sorry for terraplane.
No offense though
I am neither lonely, starved for conversation, nor is my eyesight poor. I have seen the Gimme Shelter movie. My remark was simply that Hunter was likely acting in self-defense (based on the eyewitness account that somebody else posted above). Try to keep up.
Well, that's good to hear, so you don't need that "eyewitness" account of someone else to see for yourself. No matter how many times you look at those scenes, you can see the sequence: first gun, than stabbing. Or do/did you see something else? Why did Hunter go to this concert? To enjoy the music (no need to take a gun along then) or to make a (power) statement to anyone that he would not be told by anyone where to stay or go or pushed or whatever? By taking along and finally pulling his gun, he basically "killed himself" (which doesn't mean that I approve of the Angels' actions).
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I just saw this thread.. there is no doubt in my mind, and David Maysles made the same point to me when he showed me the footage...if Hunter's girlfriend didn't have on a white sweater, we wouldn't have seen the gun in Meredith's hand and a lot of you would have been screaming, it's bloody murder instead of self defense.
I was thankful there was an 'angel' there to take out the gun man..(No need to arm teachers with guns if we put an Angel-[brought a knife to a gun fight and won] in each classroom...
I also felt that the violence was perpetrated by the alcohol,drugs,lack of sleep, lack of food and water, close quarters...and the Hell's Angels' initiates trying to score points...
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Seems more like Hunter Meredith was acting in self defense
No it doesnt. Seems he was high on meth, got into a fight with the HA (a bunch of sociopaths) and decided to pull a gun at one of the HA. The HA stabbed him to death. Why on earth did he carry a revolver in the first place? He shouldve just ignored the disgusting Hells Angels.
I would think it a might difficult to "ignore" somebody and some of their friends who were harassing and assaulting you, wouldn't you ?
Not really. Everybody else tried to ignore the Hells Angels despite their horrible beatings with pool sticks etc. had they picked a fight with me I'd just move away from those sociopaths.
Have you had much experience with thugs or bullies ?
You know, the kind who will pursue those who shrink away in fear
It has been my observation in life that this batch (Hell's Angels) gets off on torment and dominates by way of physical violence.
These "Angels" are no one's friend or savior.
Yes i was bullied at school for many years. Sometimes I just had to fight back but I chose not to when they were too many or if the bully was too strong. That was tough. Later, when I was 18 I wasnt bullied but I know I wouldnt have brought a gun to a concert, used meth and I would never have tried to fight the Hells Angels. Aiming guns and being high on meth has nothing to do with bullying.
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I just saw this thread.. there is no doubt in my mind, and David Maysles made the same point to me when he showed me the footage...if Hunter's girlfriend didn't have on a white sweater, we wouldn't have seen the gun in Meredith's hand and a lot of you would have been screaming, it's bloody murder instead of self defense.
I was thankful there was an 'angel' there to take out the gun man..(No need to arm teachers with guns if we put an Angel-[brought a knife to a gun fight and won] in each classroom...
I also felt that the violence was perpetrated by the alcohol,drugs,lack of sleep, lack of food and water, close quarters...and the Hell's Angels' initiates trying to score points...
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He didn't give him any verbal provocation or anything. So they're chasing through the crowd. And they hitting him and one Hell's Angel pulled out a knife and stabbed him in the back. What kind of knife? I couldn't tell. I just saw the flash of the blade. Everything was happening too fast. And he hit him in the back and he pulled out a gun and held it up in the air you know . . . like that was kind of his last resort, you know
Sounds like self defense to me.
He brought a gun to a concert? He chose to return with a gun pointing at the "Angel". That's not self defense. Not defending the Hells Angels at all but Hunter was high and armed and got into a fight/was being picked on by the Hells Angels. Many were that day and none of them pulled a gun and none of them got killed.
None of them were being stabbed either
Huh? Wasn't the stabbing after the gun was pulled? .... wow, it's amazing how far some will go to try to prove a point.
Terraplane looks to me as a lonely person, who just wants some conversation. He probably never watched the Gimme Shelter documentary, so comes up with pointless remarks. Other option is that his/her eyesight is not up to what it should be and then one only should feel sorry for terraplane.
No offense though
I am neither lonely, starved for conversation, nor is my eyesight poor. I have seen the Gimme Shelter movie. My remark was simply that Hunter was likely acting in self-defense (based on the eyewitness account that somebody else posted above). Try to keep up.
Well, that's good to hear, so you don't need that "eyewitness" account of someone else to see for yourself. No matter how many times you look at those scenes, you can see the sequence: first gun, than stabbing. Or do/did you see something else? Why did Hunter go to this concert? To enjoy the music (no need to take a gun along then) or to make a (power) statement to anyone that he would not be told by anyone where to stay or go or pushed or whatever? By taking along and finally pulling his gun, he basically "killed himself" (which doesn't mean that I approve of the Angels' actions).
Comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point or you are choosing to wilfully ignore the eye witness claim that he was stabbed before and after he pulled the gun.Is it not possible that Mayles didn't film everything that happened? Yes, MH shouldn't have brought a gun and the Hells Angels shouldn't have brought pool cues and knives.
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To veer away from the speculation for a moment, an interesting read from super dupe groupie Pamela Des Barres (author of I'm With the Band).
Factual? Fictional? Probably a blend of both:
Pamela Des Barres: Coming of Age at Altamont
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He didn't give him any verbal provocation or anything. So they're chasing through the crowd. And they hitting him and one Hell's Angel pulled out a knife and stabbed him in the back. What kind of knife? I couldn't tell. I just saw the flash of the blade. Everything was happening too fast. And he hit him in the back and he pulled out a gun and held it up in the air you know . . . like that was kind of his last resort, you know
Sounds like self defense to me.
He brought a gun to a concert? He chose to return with a gun pointing at the "Angel". That's not self defense. Not defending the Hells Angels at all but Hunter was high and armed and got into a fight/was being picked on by the Hells Angels. Many were that day and none of them pulled a gun and none of them got killed.
None of them were being stabbed either
Huh? Wasn't the stabbing after the gun was pulled? .... wow, it's amazing how far some will go to try to prove a point.
Terraplane looks to me as a lonely person, who just wants some conversation. He probably never watched the Gimme Shelter documentary, so comes up with pointless remarks. Other option is that his/her eyesight is not up to what it should be and then one only should feel sorry for terraplane.
No offense though
I am neither lonely, starved for conversation, nor is my eyesight poor. I have seen the Gimme Shelter movie. My remark was simply that Hunter was likely acting in self-defense (based on the eyewitness account that somebody else posted above). Try to keep up.
Well, that's good to hear, so you don't need that "eyewitness" account of someone else to see for yourself. No matter how many times you look at those scenes, you can see the sequence: first gun, than stabbing. Or do/did you see something else? Why did Hunter go to this concert? To enjoy the music (no need to take a gun along then) or to make a (power) statement to anyone that he would not be told by anyone where to stay or go or pushed or whatever? By taking along and finally pulling his gun, he basically "killed himself" (which doesn't mean that I approve of the Angels' actions).
Comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point or you are choosing to wilfully ignore the eye witness claim that he was stabbed before and after he pulled the gun.Is it not possible that Mayles didn't film everything that happened? Yes, MH shouldn't have brought a gun and the Hells Angels shouldn't have brought pool cues and knives.
I don't try to ignore the "eyewitness" claim, but find it (very) hard to believe (even more: don't trust it). Hunter's moves (during the process of pulling his gun) by far don't look like if he was stabbed already. Again, I'm not defending the Angels at all.
With your final remark we are fully in line! If the whole scene would be looked upon as "lessons learned", the Maysles docu is worth it all. Having said that, my heart already hurts again remembering the Las Vegas drama.
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He didn't give him any verbal provocation or anything. So they're chasing through the crowd. And they hitting him and one Hell's Angel pulled out a knife and stabbed him in the back. What kind of knife? I couldn't tell. I just saw the flash of the blade. Everything was happening too fast. And he hit him in the back and he pulled out a gun and held it up in the air you know . . . like that was kind of his last resort, you know
Sounds like self defense to me.
He brought a gun to a concert? He chose to return with a gun pointing at the "Angel". That's not self defense. Not defending the Hells Angels at all but Hunter was high and armed and got into a fight/was being picked on by the Hells Angels. Many were that day and none of them pulled a gun and none of them got killed.
None of them were being stabbed either
Huh? Wasn't the stabbing after the gun was pulled? .... wow, it's amazing how far some will go to try to prove a point.
Terraplane looks to me as a lonely person, who just wants some conversation. He probably never watched the Gimme Shelter documentary, so comes up with pointless remarks. Other option is that his/her eyesight is not up to what it should be and then one only should feel sorry for terraplane.
No offense though
I am neither lonely, starved for conversation, nor is my eyesight poor. I have seen the Gimme Shelter movie. My remark was simply that Hunter was likely acting in self-defense (based on the eyewitness account that somebody else posted above). Try to keep up.
Well, that's good to hear, so you don't need that "eyewitness" account of someone else to see for yourself. No matter how many times you look at those scenes, you can see the sequence: first gun, than stabbing. Or do/did you see something else? Why did Hunter go to this concert? To enjoy the music (no need to take a gun along then) or to make a (power) statement to anyone that he would not be told by anyone where to stay or go or pushed or whatever? By taking along and finally pulling his gun, he basically "killed himself" (which doesn't mean that I approve of the Angels' actions).
Comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point or you are choosing to wilfully ignore the eye witness claim that he was stabbed before and after he pulled the gun.Is it not possible that Mayles didn't film everything that happened? Yes, MH shouldn't have brought a gun and the Hells Angels shouldn't have brought pool cues and knives.
I don't try to ignore the "eyewitness" claim, but find it (very) hard to believe (even more: don't trust it). Hunter's moves (during the process of pulling his gun) by far don't look like if he was stabbed already. Again, I'm not defending the Angels at all.
With your final remark we are fully in line! If the whole scene would be looked upon as "lessons learned", the Maysles docu is worth it all. Having said that, my heart already hurts again remembering the Las Vegas drama.
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I remember seeing that clip and thinking the guy at the 55 second mark looks a bit like Jim Morrison.
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Jim Morrison, 1969
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I watched the footage frame by frame with David Maysles..he also had footage of Hunter and Passaro earlier in the day standing next to each other-no problems.....
The gun was in Hunter's hand, out, before Passaro grabbed his knife and lifted it over his head.. Passaro grabbed the gun hand with one hand and pulled his knife with the other. What bothered me was that it seemed so natural Passaro...what bothered me more was the other guy had a gun...
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He didn't give him any verbal provocation or anything. So they're chasing through the crowd. And they hitting him and one Hell's Angel pulled out a knife and stabbed him in the back. What kind of knife? I couldn't tell. I just saw the flash of the blade. Everything was happening too fast. And he hit him in the back and he pulled out a gun and held it up in the air you know . . . like that was kind of his last resort, you know
Sounds like self defense to me.
He brought a gun to a concert? He chose to return with a gun pointing at the "Angel". That's not self defense. Not defending the Hells Angels at all but Hunter was high and armed and got into a fight/was being picked on by the Hells Angels. Many were that day and none of them pulled a gun and none of them got killed.
None of them were being stabbed either
Huh? Wasn't the stabbing after the gun was pulled? .... wow, it's amazing how far some will go to try to prove a point.
Terraplane looks to me as a lonely person, who just wants some conversation. He probably never watched the Gimme Shelter documentary, so comes up with pointless remarks. Other option is that his/her eyesight is not up to what it should be and then one only should feel sorry for terraplane.
No offense though
I am neither lonely, starved for conversation, nor is my eyesight poor. I have seen the Gimme Shelter movie. My remark was simply that Hunter was likely acting in self-defense (based on the eyewitness account that somebody else posted above). Try to keep up.
Well, that's good to hear, so you don't need that "eyewitness" account of someone else to see for yourself. No matter how many times you look at those scenes, you can see the sequence: first gun, than stabbing. Or do/did you see something else? Why did Hunter go to this concert? To enjoy the music (no need to take a gun along then) or to make a (power) statement to anyone that he would not be told by anyone where to stay or go or pushed or whatever? By taking along and finally pulling his gun, he basically "killed himself" (which doesn't mean that I approve of the Angels' actions).
Comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point or you are choosing to wilfully ignore the eye witness claim that he was stabbed before and after he pulled the gun.Is it not possible that Mayles didn't film everything that happened? Yes, MH shouldn't have brought a gun and the Hells Angels shouldn't have brought pool cues and knives.
I don't try to ignore the "eyewitness" claim, but find it (very) hard to believe (even more: don't trust it). Hunter's moves (during the process of pulling his gun) by far don't look like if he was stabbed already. Again, I'm not defending the Angels at all.
With your final remark we are fully in line! If the whole scene would be looked upon as "lessons learned", the Maysles docu is worth it all. Having said that, my heart already hurts again remembering the Las Vegas drama.
Yeah nobody can make a good argument that Hunter was stabbed before he pulled the gun. You have to cherry pick witness testimony to try and make that argument and it does not line up with what we see,
There is no evidence that anyone but Pssaro stabbed Hunter and in this video at 4:08 you can see Passaro going for his knife. At least that is what it looks like to me. Considering where his hands are it doesn't make sense that he had the knife before this point.
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He didn't give him any verbal provocation or anything. So they're chasing through the crowd. And they hitting him and one Hell's Angel pulled out a knife and stabbed him in the back. What kind of knife? I couldn't tell. I just saw the flash of the blade. Everything was happening too fast. And he hit him in the back and he pulled out a gun and held it up in the air you know . . . like that was kind of his last resort, you know
Sounds like self defense to me.
He brought a gun to a concert? He chose to return with a gun pointing at the "Angel". That's not self defense. Not defending the Hells Angels at all but Hunter was high and armed and got into a fight/was being picked on by the Hells Angels. Many were that day and none of them pulled a gun and none of them got killed.
None of them were being stabbed either
Huh? Wasn't the stabbing after the gun was pulled? .... wow, it's amazing how far some will go to try to prove a point.
Terraplane looks to me as a lonely person, who just wants some conversation. He probably never watched the Gimme Shelter documentary, so comes up with pointless remarks. Other option is that his/her eyesight is not up to what it should be and then one only should feel sorry for terraplane.
No offense though
I am neither lonely, starved for conversation, nor is my eyesight poor. I have seen the Gimme Shelter movie. My remark was simply that Hunter was likely acting in self-defense (based on the eyewitness account that somebody else posted above). Try to keep up.
Well, that's good to hear, so you don't need that "eyewitness" account of someone else to see for yourself. No matter how many times you look at those scenes, you can see the sequence: first gun, than stabbing. Or do/did you see something else? Why did Hunter go to this concert? To enjoy the music (no need to take a gun along then) or to make a (power) statement to anyone that he would not be told by anyone where to stay or go or pushed or whatever? By taking along and finally pulling his gun, he basically "killed himself" (which doesn't mean that I approve of the Angels' actions).
Comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point or you are choosing to wilfully ignore the eye witness claim that he was stabbed before and after he pulled the gun.Is it not possible that Mayles didn't film everything that happened? Yes, MH shouldn't have brought a gun and the Hells Angels shouldn't have brought pool cues and knives.
I don't try to ignore the "eyewitness" claim, but find it (very) hard to believe (even more: don't trust it). Hunter's moves (during the process of pulling his gun) by far don't look like if he was stabbed already. Again, I'm not defending the Angels at all.
With your final remark we are fully in line! If the whole scene would be looked upon as "lessons learned", the Maysles docu is worth it all. Having said that, my heart already hurts again remembering the Las Vegas drama.
Yeah nobody can make a good argument that Hunter was stabbed before he pulled the gun. You have to cherry pick witness testimony to try and make that argument and it does not line up with what we see,
There is no evidence that anyone but Pssaro stabbed Hunter and in this video at 4:08 you can see Passaro going for his knife. At least that is what it looks like to me. Considering where his hands are it doesn't make sense that he had the knife before this point.
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yeh "nobody" except for direct witnesses; there were more than one. but that one suffices nicely; it's relative credibilty to you personally is a personal opinion; my personal opinion would factor in that this Interview was done when Rolling .