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And what if Hunter had fired the gun and killed someone other than the "Angel" that stabbed him to death? What if he had killed one or two fans before getting stabbed. Doesnt make Hells Angels into heroes. They're not.
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mikehat
I agree.
The Stones were never the target. That's a fallacy made up by the angels.
Hunter got roughed up by Angels, came out waving a gun in the direction of Angels and got stabbed by an Angel. Jagger was nowhere near any of this.
Also worth noting, the guy in the glasses in that pic is one of the guys that ducks and hides when the gun first appears.
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mikehat
I agree.
The Stones were never the target. That's a fallacy made up by the angels.
Hunter got roughed up by Angels, came out waving a gun in the direction of Angels and got stabbed by an Angel. Jagger was nowhere near any of this.
Also worth noting, the guy in the glasses in that pic is one of the guys that ducks and hides when the gun first appears.
You know this how? The gun was pointed up at the stage and that is no fallacy. He did not point it at someone in the audience or to the side of the stage. The video shows it pointed towards the middle of the stage. In fact Hunter was separated from his girlfriend when it all started. Why would he leave her side? Nobody does that.
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HalfNanker
ive always thought that Hunter was a little groggy from already being hit so his "aim" was not all that accurate; and was just trying to point eh gun at the Angels.
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HalfNanker
ive always thought that Hunter was a little groggy from already being hit so his "aim" was not all that accurate; and was just trying to point eh gun at the Angels.
It does look like he's off balance, trying to find his feet, and that could be from being knocked down which lead to him reaching for the gun.
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Meredith wasn't sober - I bet
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Meredith wasn't sober - I bet
I believe his girlfriend said he was high on some form of speed.
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mikehat
I agree.
The Stones were never the target. That's a fallacy made up by the angels.
Hunter got roughed up by Angels, came out waving a gun in the direction of Angels and got stabbed by an Angel. Jagger was nowhere near any of this.
Also worth noting, the guy in the glasses in that pic is one of the guys that ducks and hides when the gun first appears.
You know this how? The gun was pointed up at the stage and that is no fallacy. He did not point it at someone in the audience or to the side of the stage. The video shows it pointed towards the middle of the stage. In fact Hunter was separated from his girlfriend when it all started. Why would he leave her side? Nobody does that.
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mikehat
I agree.
The Stones were never the target. That's a fallacy made up by the angels.
Hunter got roughed up by Angels, came out waving a gun in the direction of Angels and got stabbed by an Angel. Jagger was nowhere near any of this.
Also worth noting, the guy in the glasses in that pic is one of the guys that ducks and hides when the gun first appears.
You know this how? The gun was pointed up at the stage and that is no fallacy. He did not point it at someone in the audience or to the side of the stage. The video shows it pointed towards the middle of the stage. In fact Hunter was separated from his girlfriend when it all started. Why would he leave her side? Nobody does that.
I am sorry but have you even read through this thread? IF you can read through this thread and still think that Hunter might have been trying to shoot anyone but an Angel then I don't know what else to tell you. When all the evidence is looked at it really can't be any more clear that Hunter was not trying to shoot anyone but an Angel at best.He might have only been trying to scare them and not shoot anyone.
You asked why he left his girlfriend, That was already explained in this thread. The witness who has to be deemed reliable because everything he said matched up with the film ( he testified before he saw the film ) said the Angles pushed Hunter back into the crowd right before he grabbed his gun. Your question is strange anyways. Why would you ask that and what is it supposed to mean? You can see Hunter earlier and i don;t believe his girlfriend was right by his side there either. Why does this matter?
Can you point out exactly when the gun is pointed towards the stage? Give me the time
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mikehat
I agree.
The Stones were never the target. That's a fallacy made up by the angels.
Hunter got roughed up by Angels, came out waving a gun in the direction of Angels and got stabbed by an Angel. Jagger was nowhere near any of this.
Also worth noting, the guy in the glasses in that pic is one of the guys that ducks and hides when the gun first appears.
You know this how? The gun was pointed up at the stage and that is no fallacy. He did not point it at someone in the audience or to the side of the stage. The video shows it pointed towards the middle of the stage. In fact Hunter was separated from his girlfriend when it all started. Why would he leave her side? Nobody does that.
I am sorry but have you even read through this thread? IF you can read through this thread and still think that Hunter might have been trying to shoot anyone but an Angel then I don't know what else to tell you. When all the evidence is looked at it really can't be any more clear that Hunter was not trying to shoot anyone but an Angel at best.He might have only been trying to scare them and not shoot anyone.
You asked why he left his girlfriend, That was already explained in this thread. The witness who has to be deemed reliable because everything he said matched up with the film ( he testified before he saw the film ) said the Angles pushed Hunter back into the crowd right before he grabbed his gun. Your question is strange anyways. Why would you ask that and what is it supposed to mean? You can see Hunter earlier and i don;t believe his girlfriend was right by his side there either. Why does this matter?
Can you point out exactly when the gun is pointed towards the stage? Give me the time
Watch the slow motion in the video from 7:12 until 7:42 if you cannot see his focus and arm twice aim up at the stage then you're just refuse to acknowledge the what is plainly in video. The gun is pointing up not down and not straight ahead.
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stanlove
You asked why he left his girlfriend, That was already explained in this thread. The witness who has to be deemed reliable because everything he said matched up with the film ( he testified before he saw the film ) said the Angles pushed Hunter back into the crowd right before he grabbed his gun. Your question is strange anyways. Why would you ask that and what is it supposed to mean? You can see Hunter earlier and i don;t believe his girlfriend was right by his side there either. Why does this matter?
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You asked why he left his girlfriend, That was already explained in this thread. The witness who has to be deemed reliable because everything he said matched up with the film ( he testified before he saw the film ) said the Angles pushed Hunter back into the crowd right before he grabbed his gun. Your question is strange anyways. Why would you ask that and what is it supposed to mean? You can see Hunter earlier and i don;t believe his girlfriend was right by his side there either. Why does this matter?
What is strange about it? What are you implying?
Why would he leave her and wander off with so many people packed in front and all the chaos and fighting going on? Why is carrying such a large hand gun? Maybe he came there with the intention of shooting a member of the band. Maybe he was trying to get onto the stage. Lots of possibilities.
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mikehat
Apart from when he loses his balance, he is staring directly at a bunch of angels on and in front of the stage.
At 7.14 you see the gun pointed down towards the ones in front of the stage.
When he gets back up after falling at 7.17 he is trying to aim at them again, still looking directly at the angels, just before he gets stabbed.
I think you're the one that's refusing to see what is very obvious.
Once again, the Stones are nowhere to be seen, other than Wyman.
There is a bunch of angels right there that he is heading for and staring right at them.
As explained by Stan Love, a witness testified that he was roughed up by angels before the incident. Then he pulls a gun with them in the firing line yet you still want to believe that he wanted to kill Jagger.
There is nothing whatsoever to back this up. Jagger was on the right hand side near the drooling angel. The gun is at no time pointed there.
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stanlove
You asked why he left his girlfriend, That was already explained in this thread. The witness who has to be deemed reliable because everything he said matched up with the film ( he testified before he saw the film ) said the Angles pushed Hunter back into the crowd right before he grabbed his gun. Your question is strange anyways. Why would you ask that and what is it supposed to mean? You can see Hunter earlier and i don;t believe his girlfriend was right by his side there either. Why does this matter?
What is strange about it? What are you implying?
Why would he leave her and wander off with so many people packed in front and all the chaos and fighting going on? Why is carrying such a large hand gun? Maybe he came there with the intention of shooting a member of the band. Maybe he was trying to get onto the stage. Lots of possibilities.
Why would anyone wanting to murder a famous person on stage wear a bright green suit?
Surely it would be better to wear something plain so you could blend in and disappear quickly?
If he was trying to get on stage, why wait until half way through the Stones set?
He had already been closer to the front than he was at that point, as seen earlier in the movie.
In regards to the girlfriend, you assume he left her yet they both could've been knocked down or even separated by the many scuffles that were happening.
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mikehat
Apart from when he loses his balance, he is staring directly at a bunch of angels on and in front of the stage.
At 7.14 you see the gun pointed down towards the ones in front of the stage.
When he gets back up after falling at 7.17 he is trying to aim at them again, still looking directly at the angels, just before he gets stabbed.
I think you're the one that's refusing to see what is very obvious.
Once again, the Stones are nowhere to be seen, other than Wyman.
There is a bunch of angels right there that he is heading for and staring right at them.
As explained by Stan Love, a witness testified that he was roughed up by angels before the incident. Then he pulls a gun with them in the firing line yet you still want to believe that he wanted to kill Jagger.
There is nothing whatsoever to back this up. Jagger was on the right hand side near the drooling angel. The gun is at no time pointed there.
Just before the Angel grabbed his arm, Hunter's wrist was up by his head (look at the black shirt sleeve) which means for a guy well over six feet tall he was aiming up. Jeez, analyze the video. He could shot any Angel right in front of him or to the side. Nobody really knows for sure, but your scenario seems unlikely.
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mikehat
Apart from when he loses his balance, he is staring directly at a bunch of angels on and in front of the stage.
At 7.14 you see the gun pointed down towards the ones in front of the stage.
When he gets back up after falling at 7.17 he is trying to aim at them again, still looking directly at the angels, just before he gets stabbed.
I think you're the one that's refusing to see what is very obvious.
Once again, the Stones are nowhere to be seen, other than Wyman.
There is a bunch of angels right there that he is heading for and staring right at them.
As explained by Stan Love, a witness testified that he was roughed up by angels before the incident. Then he pulls a gun with them in the firing line yet you still want to believe that he wanted to kill Jagger.
There is nothing whatsoever to back this up. Jagger was on the right hand side near the drooling angel. The gun is at no time pointed there.
Just before the Angel grabbed his arm, Hunter's wrist was up by his head (look at the black shirt sleeve) which means for a guy well over six feet tall he was aiming up. Jeez, analyze the video. He could shot any Angel right in front of him or to the side. Nobody really knows for sure, but your scenario seems unlikely.
I've analyzed the video many times thank you very much.
The first time he appears he is trying to break loose from what looks like him being held back by someone. The gun is in the air at that point.
That person then runs off to the left out of shot. Blink and you'll miss it.
Once he breaks free he stumbles and tried to find his feet, the gun being at the floor during this moment. As he gets up he aims his gun towards the angels.
Passaro grabs hunters arm at the same time as a guy behind him, tries to hold Passaro back.
A bunch of angel are right there in the firing line, not long after witnesses saw him being roughed up by angels.
The reason he didn't shoot just any old angel?
I would guess that he had a specific one, or more than one in mind.
The ones that roughed him up earlier.
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Apart from when he loses his balance, he is staring directly at a bunch of angels on and in front of the stage.
At 7.14 you see the gun pointed down towards the ones in front of the stage.
When he gets back up after falling at 7.17 he is trying to aim at them again, still looking directly at the angels, just before he gets stabbed.
I think you're the one that's refusing to see what is very obvious.
Once again, the Stones are nowhere to be seen, other than Wyman.
There is a bunch of angels right there that he is heading for and staring right at them.
As explained by Stan Love, a witness testified that he was roughed up by angels before the incident. Then he pulls a gun with them in the firing line yet you still want to believe that he wanted to kill Jagger.
There is nothing whatsoever to back this up. Jagger was on the right hand side near the drooling angel. The gun is at no time pointed there.
Just before the Angel grabbed his arm, Hunter's wrist was up by his head (look at the black shirt sleeve) which means for a guy well over six feet tall he was aiming up. Jeez, analyze the video. He could shot any Angel right in front of him or to the side. Nobody really knows for sure, but your scenario seems unlikely.
I've analyzed the video many times thank you very much.
The first time he appears he is trying to break loose from what looks like him being held back by someone. The gun is in the air at that point.
That person then runs off to the left out of shot. Blink and you'll miss it.
Once he breaks free he stumbles and tried to find his feet, the gun being at the floor during this moment. As he gets up he aims his gun towards the angels.
Passaro grabs hunters arm at the same time as a guy behind him, tries to hold Passaro back.
A bunch of angel are right there in the firing line, not long after witnesses saw him being roughed up by angels.
The reason he didn't shoot just any old angel?
I would guess that he had a specific one, or more than one in mind.
The ones that roughed him up earlier.
Without looking, was that gun in his right hand or left?
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stanlove
You asked why he left his girlfriend, That was already explained in this thread. The witness who has to be deemed reliable because everything he said matched up with the film ( he testified before he saw the film ) said the Angles pushed Hunter back into the crowd right before he grabbed his gun. Your question is strange anyways. Why would you ask that and what is it supposed to mean? You can see Hunter earlier and i don;t believe his girlfriend was right by his side there either. Why does this matter?
What is strange about it? What are you implying?
Why would he leave her and wander off with so many people packed in front and all the chaos and fighting going on? Why is carrying such a large hand gun? Maybe he came there with the intention of shooting a member of the band. Maybe he was trying to get onto the stage. Lots of possibilities.
Why would anyone wanting to murder a famous person on stage wear a bright green suit?
Surely it would be better to wear something plain so you could blend in and disappear quickly?
If he was trying to get on stage, why wait until half way through the Stones set?
He had already been closer to the front than he was at that point, as seen earlier in the movie.
In regards to the girlfriend, you assume he left her yet they both could've been knocked down or even separated by the many scuffles that were happening.
Honestly, I thought about that. The only thing I've concluded is that maybe he was on a suicide mission and he wanted to be noticed and remembered for it. He did seem uptight in an earlier view.
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mikehat
I agree.
The Stones were never the target. That's a fallacy made up by the angels.
Hunter got roughed up by Angels, came out waving a gun in the direction of Angels and got stabbed by an Angel. Jagger was nowhere near any of this.
Also worth noting, the guy in the glasses in that pic is one of the guys that ducks and hides when the gun first appears.
You know this how? The gun was pointed up at the stage and that is no fallacy. He did not point it at someone in the audience or to the side of the stage. The video shows it pointed towards the middle of the stage. In fact Hunter was separated from his girlfriend when it all started. Why would he leave her side? Nobody does that.
I've already explained in my previous posts why I think it's a fallacy that the Stones were the target, I'm not going to do it again.
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The Sicilian
Here is a perspective of Hunter in relation to the stage and the Angels, as he towers over the crowd.
Here is rarely seen photo of Hunter closer to the stage just forward of the above picture and surrounded by fans and no Angels harassing him at this point.