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I'm sure it's been discussed many times before in other threads, but how much roughly do you think each of the 4 get for a show in London etc. ? After expenses.
Based on other big bands, it's probably pretty close to a million each per show;
if you look at gross per stadium show being 8-10m for a 50k stadium; take 25% off for promoters and another 25% off for touring costs (set up, crew, rest of band), then you're left with approx 4-5m for the band.
crazy
Promoters don't make any money off Stones shows, they do it for the prestige. The promoter of the Australian tour in 2014 became legendary because he actually made a profit of a Stones tour - but it was measured in cents not dollars!
I think the promoters will be ok. Take London stadium for example. The promoter needs to pay the Stones 5 million quid for their fee. Assume the promoter then needs to spend another 5 million on costs (venue hire, promotion, insurance, legal etc). So 10 mill in costs.
If they sell 1000 put tix at 500 each that’s 500,000
Then say 6,000 good circle tix at 250 each gives 1.5 million
Then assume they sell another 60,000 tix at an average of £150 each, gives 9 million.
And it makes sense to do a second show because a lot of these costs (promo, legal, insurance) are largely fixed anyway regardless of how many shows, so the cost of putting on a second show might be only 7 million. So they could conceivably sell only, say, 45,000 at the second show and they would be ok.
Can you tell me where you are getting those numbers from please? I'd be interested if you can substantiate any of them. All information I've ever seen suggests that the Stones squeeze everything they can out of the promoters, leaving nothing for them.
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Wondering the same but honestly I thought it was the PIT tickets since you can essentially stand right alongside the pit in the GC for £150 less. If it's anything like I saw in Lucca, it will be well worth it to pay the premium for GC over GA though
I think 'pit' has a status premium, and there are many fewer of them, so even though prices are eye-watering they will sell them (and fill in the gaps with LDs). GC, however, strike me as a slightly upgraded 'ordinary punter' ticket and - my view - is that while you can get people to spend up to 200 or so on a whim, 275 is a bridge too far (especially if buying for a couple, or a family).
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Did anyone buy a face value pit ticket from Ticketmaster for any show? I'm wondering whether they had any at all in their allocation, or whether they are selling them all as platinum only.
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The Primary Seller was AXS for all 6 UK shows and Eventime for the 2 German and 1 Polish show. Anyone else selling tickets is a scalper, which ticketmaster platinum effectively is. That Ticketmaster own them plus 2 barefaced scalper sites i.e. GetMein & Seatwave is an outrageous scandal.
Except that TM was also offering the ability to buy face value tickets... I'm just curious if anyone was actually able to buy one at face. They are clearly not simply a secondary seller in this relationship.
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MisterDDDD
Have never bought GC tix before, but did for two shows this tour..
Is the pricing structure different from last years?
Planning on lining up very early in hopes of getting to front of it.
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MrsEdithGrove
From a quick nosey at TM it looks like Pit are available from TM for Manchester at £500 and £580 for Twickenham. Only additional booking fee appears to be postage.
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Harm
Could they fill the gaps with EU shows?
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Gazza
Theres no point or incentive in doing a club show mid-tour unless its a private gig where they can trouser the same amount of money that they would for a 'regular' concert in a stadium.
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Gazza
Theres no point or incentive in doing a club show mid-tour unless its a private gig where they can trouser the same amount of money that they would for a 'regular' concert in a stadium.
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I'm sure it's been discussed many times before in other threads, but how much roughly do you think each of the 4 get for a show in London etc. ? After expenses.
Based on other big bands, it's probably pretty close to a million each per show;
if you look at gross per stadium show being 8-10m for a 50k stadium; take 25% off for promoters and another 25% off for touring costs (set up, crew, rest of band), then you're left with approx 4-5m for the band.
crazy
Promoters don't make any money off Stones shows, they do it for the prestige. The promoter of the Australian tour in 2014 became legendary because he actually made a profit of a Stones tour - but it was measured in cents not dollars!
I think the promoters will be ok. Take London stadium for example. The promoter needs to pay the Stones 5 million quid for their fee. Assume the promoter then needs to spend another 5 million on costs (venue hire, promotion, insurance, legal etc). So 10 mill in costs.
If they sell 1000 put tix at 500 each that’s 500,000
Then say 6,000 good circle tix at 250 each gives 1.5 million
Then assume they sell another 60,000 tix at an average of £150 each, gives 9 million.
And it makes sense to do a second show because a lot of these costs (promo, legal, insurance) are largely fixed anyway regardless of how many shows, so the cost of putting on a second show might be only 7 million. So they could conceivably sell only, say, 45,000 at the second show and they would be ok.
Can you tell me where you are getting those numbers from please? I'd be interested if you can substantiate any of them. All information I've ever seen suggests that the Stones squeeze everything they can out of the promoters, leaving nothing for them.
syrel
I've actually worked on the contract for a Stones tour and based on my (very old, but probably still valid) experience, and all of these posts seem exaggerated one way or the other. VERY BASICALLY, the band is paid a guarantee per show ($5 million sounds a little high, but might be right depending on the venue and market) to deliver a "show" - the musicians, staging, tour personnel, transportation. It's up to the promoter to make a profit by generating revenue (primarily ticket sales, but often including other revenue items, such as hotel packages, local partners/advertising, concessions, goods) over $5 million + promoter costs, which usually include renting the venue, security, domestic hotel and transportation and other local costs. In my experience, promoters don't do shows for prestige - there is always a way to generate a profit.
However, they don't make a fortune - the band would be stupid to let that happen - they just make a reasonable return. Besides, the Stones aren't "the" premier live act any more.
On the other hand, promoters don't make a fortune with second shows because "costs are fixed". That's not right. They still have to pay the Stones the guarantee, and all of the cost of staging are borne by the band. The promoter still has the same costs, so it doesn't mean he can sell fewer tickets (unless the band's guarantee on a second show is lower).
Finally, the guess of $1 million per member per show is way too high. Think of all the start-up costs - set design, stage construction, legal, accounting, jet and truck rental - that have to be amortized over the course of a tour (and this tour doesn't have many dates).
Anyway, it's more complicated than that, but those are the basics.
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Wild Slivovitz
And from the press I've always assumed that the 5 million guaranteed is awarded to the band, but from your post it seems that that's the price the local promoter pays to the show producer, so the amount paid to each band member per show is seemingly lower that we assume.
I would be amazed if they are making around 1M dollars per show each after rehearsing and trucking the equipment around. Also the tax is not mentioned on these post - I look at my Twickenham invoice and see VAT on the ticket. That's 20% for the UK govenment.
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Tickets still on available for the UK shows (according to AXS)
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Pit: London I, London II,
Golden Circle: London I, London II, Manchester, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Twickenham
GA standing: London II, Cardiff
Lower Tier: London II, Manchester, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Twickenham
Middle Tier: Manchester, Cardiff, Twickenham
Upper Tier: Manchester, Edinburgh, Cardiff
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zgredzik
Some of you said sometime ago, that Stones won't play in Poland because tickets will have poor sale. Yesterday tickets sold out in 60 minutes and it's the first show of tour which is sold outit shows how much people here love The Rolling Stones and 11 years was enough to born the new generation of Stones fans
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zgredzik
Some of you said sometime ago, that Stones won't play in Poland because tickets will have poor sale. Yesterday tickets sold out in 60 minutes and it's the first show of tour which is sold outit shows how much people here love The Rolling Stones and 11 years was enough to born the new generation of Stones fans
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zgredzik
Some of you said sometime ago, that Stones won't play in Poland because tickets will have poor sale. Yesterday tickets sold out in 60 minutes and it's the first show of tour which is sold outit shows how much people here love The Rolling Stones and 11 years was enough to born the new generation of Stones fans