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Doesn't "Sheep Dip Blues" have an early version of Heaven ? Let's see...yes [dbboots.com] with a date shown as 11/10/1980 although the original OBR record states all the tracks came from 77/78.

Heaven I (early version) is also a ER-leftover, recorded June-October 1979 according to www.nzentgraf.de

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Wikipedia states Neighbors (and Heaven) are not from previous sessions and in fact that those two songs are notable for being the only two songs 'new' ..with no history before sessions began for Tattoo You. It lists the recording dates, who played on what, and what inspired the writing for the song. Mick wrote the song about Keith being evicted from his NYC apartment (... which occurred ..'after'.. ER had been released).

Time is on Our Side (quite a credible website) along with several other music websites also list the songs as being recorded for Tattoo you with no previous sessions. It lists the same recording dates for the song. However it lists all the other songs on TY and their respective recording sessions as well ..>> All of them .. except for Neighbors and Heaven are listed as dating back to sessions from previous albums.

'Neighbors' and 'Heaven' were brand new songs.. written / intended / 100% recorded for for Tattoo You at Path Marconi Studios in Paris France with no previous history.

Wikipedia a better source than Zentgraf? Good joke.

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I feel something happened with Mick upon the B&L release. I say this because in an interview he seemed really put off that this record is a hit, kind of shocked like it wasn't suppose to be. That's the impression I got. Maybe I'm wrong. Don't want to sound mean but maybe he believes new age stuff like SuperHeavy is the way to go versus old school music. Anyhow, I'm not feeling confident there will be a new Stones album. Hope I'm wrong though.

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I feel something happened with Mick upon the B&L release. I say this because in an interview he seemed really put off that this record is a hit, kind of shocked like it wasn't suppose to be. That's the impression I got. Maybe I'm wrong. Don't want to sound mean but maybe he believes new age stuff like SuperHeavy is the way to go versus old school music. Anyhow, I'm not feeling confident there will be a new Stones album. Hope I'm wrong though.

Interesting view.
I'd figured the only way B&L got made and released was because Mick believed in it. He has such a big role in it.

I don't understand what Keith meant by saying the album reaction might change Mick's mind, might change his mind. Maybe they were worried the album would flop and so they wouldn't bother doing a follow-up?
It seems to me they have worried too much about their audience for decades.

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bye bye johnny
Exclusive: Mick Jagger Says Working on New Songs for Next Rolling Stones Album Following Blues Hit

by Roger Friedman - February 27, 2017



The Rolling Stones are not done, by a long shot.

Mick Jagger told me a few nights ago that the next Stones album will not be covers but new songs. “I’m working on on new songs now.”

The Stones had a huge hit this winter with “Blue and Lonesome,” their album of blues covers. “B&L” was their biggest hit in years, and sustained itself on the charts much longer than anyone would have guessed.

Now, building on that momentum, Mick says the new album will be new. The Stones are eying their 55th anniversary next, after a triumphant 50th celebration that has almost never ended.

Mick brought three of his kids to the Vanity Fair Oscar party last night, and has never seemed in a better mood. He laughed when I asked him about a Tweet he put out the other day. A rumor started that he was bringing rising star Priyanka Chopra to the stars. “I’m not even going to the Oscars!” Mick Tweeted. And he didn’t.

But a new Stones album? Bring it on. I don’t care how old they are. It’s a sound I will never tire of!

[www.showbiz411.com]

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Yes and No... why?

YES because IT LOOKS like they want to release a new album of originals after all, Mick has songs to fill 3 albums by himself.

NO because the Stones is not a priority anymore, they work 2 or 3 months a year with loads of time off for family time or other things, no one wants to spend more than 2 weeks working on a studio, been there, done that.

If you want a new album with new songs you need to work on it, and it looks like it will take time to get the whole thing done.

Keith spent 3+ years doing his solo album and he was a guy only, imagine 3 other ones with new kids, new grandkids, family, 3 or 4 holidays each year, 2-3 months touring, etc.

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Doesn't "Sheep Dip Blues" have an early version of Heaven ? Let's see...yes [dbboots.com] with a date shown as 11/10/1980 although the original OBR record states all the tracks came from 77/78.

Heaven I (early version) is also a ER-leftover, recorded June-October 1979 according to www.nzentgraf.de

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Wikipedia states Neighbors (and Heaven) are not from previous sessions and in fact that those two songs are notable for being the only two songs 'new' ..with no history before sessions began for Tattoo You. It lists the recording dates, who played on what, and what inspired the writing for the song. Mick wrote the song about Keith being evicted from his NYC apartment (... which occurred ..'after'.. ER had been released).

Time is on Our Side (quite a credible website) along with several other music websites also list the songs as being recorded for Tattoo you with no previous sessions. It lists the same recording dates for the song. However it lists all the other songs on TY and their respective recording sessions as well ..>> All of them .. except for Neighbors and Heaven are listed as dating back to sessions from previous albums.

'Neighbors' and 'Heaven' were brand new songs.. written / intended / 100% recorded for for Tattoo You at Path Marconi Studios in Paris France with no previous history.

Wikipedia a better source than Zentgraf? Good joke.

The music for Neighbours was written and the song was recorded between June and October 1979, before ER was released, hence it being recorded for ER. The lyrics may've been written or partially written after Keith blaring ER but Keith blared anything a lot before and after ER.

Chris Kimsey has only talked about previous sessions recordings being used for TATTOO YOU. They wouldn't get together for just 2 songs in Paris back then. They recorded bottoms, Mick wrote lyrics later.

Wikipedia? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No where has there ever been new recordings (ie all 5 band members recording bottoms) done mentioned by Kimsey or any of the Stones that I've ever been aware of. Only timeisonourside.com and keno.org mention that.


It was all leftovers being worked on.

Tattoo You really came about because Mick and Keith were going through a period of not getting on. There was a need to have an album out, and I told everyone I could make an album from what I knew was still there.
- Chris Kimsey


I spent 3 months going through like the last 4, 5 albums finding stuff that had been either forgotten about or at the time rejected. And then I presented it to the band and I said, Hey, look guys, you've got all this great stuff sitting in the can and it's great material, do something with it.
- Chris Kimsey, 1982


It's just that those songs didn't seem to fit on any album until now. We tried to use them before but they didn't seem to work. They're good songs though. But you know every album has a lot of oldies on it, and has done for years. We've used, like, Sweet Virginia which was on Exile On Main Street. That was recorded from before Beggars Banquet (sic).
- Mick Jagger, 1981


(T)here's still loads (from those sessions). I mean, we could get another album out of that bunch. But that's an advantage you don't think about, really, with a band that goes on for a long time. One way or another, you end up with a backlog of really good stuff that, for one reason or another, you didn't get the chance to finish or put out because it was the wrong tempo or too long - purely technical reasons, you know? Sometimes we write our songs in installments - just get the melody and the music, and we'll cut the tracks and write the words later. That way, the actual tracks have matured, just like wine - yuou just leave it in the cellar for a bit, and it comes out a little better a few years later. It's stupid to LEAVE all that great stuff just for want of finishing it off and getting it together.
- Keith Richards, 1981


Well, you know, I don't think there's anything bad in using stuff (from) previous sessions. We recorded 20, 25 tracks and if you go on and if I say to everyone, Well... the first tracks to be finished are the ones that are gonna be on the album - if a track's not finished or if people have got doubts about it, then we'll save it, we'll recut it, throw it out the window, or put it on a future album.
- Mick Jagger, 1982


I thought Mick did a great job with Tattoo You. There were only one or two things I went back on with Bob Clearmountain (who mixed the album). My main complaint in the beginning with the recording of this record was that they were hopping around using different studios and it started to seem a bit chaotic. In actual fact, Mick pulled it all together. He did a great job in organizing it. It was up to Mick because it was Mick's contributions that weren't recorded. What was missing ws Mick's normal contribution to a Rolling Stones track - the vocals.
- Keith Richards, 1983


(T)hat's an old record. It's all a lot of old tracks that I dug out. And it was very strange circumstances. Chris Kimsey and I went though all the tracks from those two previous records. It wasn't all outtakes; some of it was old songs. And then I went back and found previous ones like Waiting on a Friend, from Goats Head Soup. They're all from different periods. Then I had to write lyrics and melodies. A lot of them didn't have anything, which is why they weren't used at the time - because they weren't complete. They were just bits, or they were from early takes. And then I put them all together in an incredibly cheap fashion. I recorded in this place in Paris in the middle of winter. And then I recorded some of it in a broom cupboard, literally, where we did the vocals. The rest of the band were hardly involved. And then I took it to Bob Clearmountain, who did this great job of mixing so that it doesn't sound like it's from different periods.
- Mick Jagger, 1995


For Tattoo You, Mick and Chris Kimsey realised that there was a lot of great music that we had recorded in the past that had never been released, particularly from all the material we had amassed during the Emotional Rescue sessions. So they went back and started sifting through it all, and eventually got to the point where they got up to here with it, and said, Let's not go any further, and used songs like Waiting on a Friend.
- Ron Wood, 2003

[www.timeisonourside.com]



790621A 10th June - 7th July & late July - 25th August & 12th September - 19th October:
Boulogne-Billancourt (near Paris), France, Pathé Marconi Studios. Producers:
The Glimmer Twins. Sound engineer: Chris Kimsey. Additional musicians:
Bobby Keys (sax)/Sugar Blue (harm)/Martin Gordon (bass; two days in
September)/Boz Scaggs (voc, gtr)
- Dance I (MJ/KR/RW) -early lyrics
- Dance II (MJ/KR/RW) -early lyrics, with `three, four..."-count-in
- Dance III (MJ/KR/RW) -early lyrics with `two, three, four"-count-in
- Dance IV (MJ/KR/RW) -first early version with original intro
- Down In The Hole I (MJ/KR) -early version with partly different lyrics
- Emotional Rescue II (MJ/KR) -long version
- Hang Fire III (MJ/KR) -with some falsetto vocals
- Hang Fire IV (MJ/KR) -first version with ‘doo doo doo’-chorus
- Heaven I (MJ/KR) -early version with guide vocals
- Indian Girl I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version without horns
- Instrumental ( ) -unverified
- It's A Lie I (MJ/KR) -with harmonica intro
- It's A Lie II (MJ/KR) -with drums intro
- Jah Is Not Dead (MJ/KR) -with Boz Scaggs sharing vocals and on guitar
- Jam ( ) -with Bobby Keys; unverified
- Let Me Go I (MJ/KR) -without sax
- Let Me Go II (MJ/KR) -’Emotional Rescue’-version
- Neighbours I (MJ/KR) -early version with guide vocals
- No Use In Crying I (MJ/KR/RW) -shorter early version
- No Use In Crying II (MJ/KR/RW) -longer early version
- No Use In Crying III (MJ/KR/RW) -similar to version II, but organ sets in earlier
- No Use In Crying IV (MJ/KR/RW) -edit of early version
- Send It To Me I (MJ/KR) -long version with vocals
- Summer Romance IV (MJ/KR) -more finished lyrics than III
- Summer Romance V (MJ/KR) -finished lyrics, but diff. vocal take, one guitar less
- Summer Romance VI (MJ/KR) -finished lyrics, plus bvoc; long version of VII
- “Time Flies” (MJ/KR) -unverified, title unsure; with Martin Gordon on bass
- Tones (MJ/KR?) -unverified
- We Had It All I (Troy Seals/Donny Fritts) -without harmonica
- We Had It All II (Troy Seals/Donny Fritts) -version I with harmonica
- We Had It All III (Troy Seals/Donny Fritts) -more finished version
- Where The Boys Go III (MJ/KR) -’Where The Boys All Go’-version, 1st version
with proper intro
- Where The Boys Go IV (MJ/KR) -different lead vocals, no girls choir, longer solo
- Where The Boys Go V (MJ/KR) -version used for thermo-promo

[www.nzentgraf.de]

Further work done was only Mick Jagger and very little wise from Keith, as Keith stated, in 1980. 1981 was Sonny Rollins etc.

The 5 members of The Rolling Stones did not record new bottoms/new songs post-October 1979 EMOTIONAL RESCUE sessions.

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Exclusive: Mick Jagger Says Working on New Songs for Next Rolling Stones Album Following Blues Hit

by Roger Friedman - February 27, 2017



The Rolling Stones are not done, by a long shot.

Mick Jagger told me a few nights ago that the next Stones album will not be covers but new songs. “I’m working on on new songs now.”

The Stones had a huge hit this winter with “Blue and Lonesome,” their album of blues covers. “B&L” was their biggest hit in years, and sustained itself on the charts much longer than anyone would have guessed.

Now, building on that momentum, Mick says the new album will be new. The Stones are eying their 55th anniversary next, after a triumphant 50th celebration that has almost never ended.

Mick brought three of his kids to the Vanity Fair Oscar party last night, and has never seemed in a better mood. He laughed when I asked him about a Tweet he put out the other day. A rumor started that he was bringing rising star Priyanka Chopra to the stars. “I’m not even going to the Oscars!” Mick Tweeted. And he didn’t.

But a new Stones album? Bring it on. I don’t care how old they are. It’s a sound I will never tire of!

[www.showbiz411.com]

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bye bye johnny
Exclusive: Mick Jagger Says Working on New Songs for Next Rolling Stones Album Following Blues Hit

by Roger Friedman - February 27, 2017



The Rolling Stones are not done, by a long shot.

Mick Jagger told me a few nights ago that the next Stones album will not be covers but new songs. “I’m working on on new songs now.”

The Stones had a huge hit this winter with “Blue and Lonesome,” their album of blues covers. “B&L” was their biggest hit in years, and sustained itself on the charts much longer than anyone would have guessed.

Now, building on that momentum, Mick says the new album will be new. The Stones are eying their 55th anniversary next, after a triumphant 50th celebration that has almost never ended.

Mick brought three of his kids to the Vanity Fair Oscar party last night, and has never seemed in a better mood. He laughed when I asked him about a Tweet he put out the other day. A rumor started that he was bringing rising star Priyanka Chopra to the stars. “I’m not even going to the Oscars!” Mick Tweeted. And he didn’t.

But a new Stones album? Bring it on. I don’t care how old they are. It’s a sound I will never tire of!

[www.showbiz411.com]

55th anniversary is just next year. As I remember Charlie's first show was
January 15th,1963. Seems a little out of character for Mick to be enthusiastic about celebrating a 55th though. 50th was a milestone but 55th? Still, any live
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True enough Ian, but when Ronnie stated that after they 'hit the wall' they might dump everything and have to 'start from scratch', it leaves the impression that those sessions came to a standstill with no point in moving forward.
Sure they can get back to them in the hopes of working them out, but not sure that's being very productive this late in the game. Like a stalemate in a game of chess - you can keep going in circles with no positive outcome in sight.

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True enough Ian, but when Ronnie stated that after they 'hit the wall' they might dump everything and have to 'start from scratch', it leaves the impression that those sessions came to a standstill with no point in moving forward.
Sure they can get back to them in the hopes of working them out, but not sure that's being very productive this late in the game. Like a stalemate in a game of chess - you can keep going in circles with no positive outcome in sight.

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bye bye johnny
Exclusive: Mick Jagger Says Working on New Songs for Next Rolling Stones Album Following Blues Hit

by Roger Friedman - February 27, 2017



The Rolling Stones are not done, by a long shot.

Mick Jagger told me a few nights ago that the next Stones album will not be covers but new songs. “I’m working on on new songs now.”

The Stones had a huge hit this winter with “Blue and Lonesome,” their album of blues covers. “B&L” was their biggest hit in years, and sustained itself on the charts much longer than anyone would have guessed.

Now, building on that momentum, Mick says the new album will be new. The Stones are eying their 55th anniversary next, after a triumphant 50th celebration that has almost never ended.

Mick brought three of his kids to the Vanity Fair Oscar party last night, and has never seemed in a better mood. He laughed when I asked him about a Tweet he put out the other day. A rumor started that he was bringing rising star Priyanka Chopra to the stars. “I’m not even going to the Oscars!” Mick Tweeted. And he didn’t.

But a new Stones album? Bring it on. I don’t care how old they are. It’s a sound I will never tire of!

[www.showbiz411.com]

55th anniversary is just next year. As I remember Charlie's first show was
January 15th,1963. Seems a little out of character for Mick to be enthusiastic about celebrating a 55th though. 50th was a milestone but 55th? Still, any live
Stones Show sounds good to me! It's good to be anywhere.

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Yes and No... why?

YES because IT LOOKS like they want to release a new album of originals after all, Mick has songs to fill 3 albums by himself.

NO because the Stones is not a priority anymore, they work 2 or 3 months a year with loads of time off for family time or other things, no one wants to spend more than 2 weeks working on a studio, been there, done that.

If you want a new album with new songs you need to work on it, and it looks like it will take time to get the whole thing done.

Keith spent 3+ years doing his solo album and he was a guy only, imagine 3 other ones with new kids, new grandkids, family, 3 or 4 holidays each year, 2-3 months touring, etc.

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Yes and No... why?

YES because IT LOOKS like they want to release a new album of originals after all, Mick has songs to fill 3 albums by himself.

NO because the Stones is not a priority anymore, they work 2 or 3 months a year with loads of time off for family time or other things, no one wants to spend more than 2 weeks working on a studio, been there, done that.

If you want a new album with new songs you need to work on it, and it looks like it will take time to get the whole thing done.

Keith spent 3+ years doing his solo album and he was a guy only, imagine 3 other ones with new kids, new grandkids, family, 3 or 4 holidays each year, 2-3 months touring, etc.

I'm not disagreeing with your theory...BUT...it seems illogical.

1. "Been there done it"...would apply to tours and/or concerts also
2. As much time and effort (for Mick certainly) must go into a tour like the recent SA jaunt, as for recording work
3. IF they recorded in London (maybe finished in NYC) they could do a day's recording and be back home to their families the same day/night. Unlike a tour, even a short one.
4. Mick is always on the move anyway, I can't imagine he spends more time with his offspring than most parents
5. Mick is supposed to still have lots of drive and energy, but if you compare his workload to Ronnie and Keith, outside of Stones World, its not that impressive.

Also, seems strange that after the (?unexpected) commercial success of their last album, the confidence would have returned; people ARE willing to buy new RS product.

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I found this..published 27 november 2016
[ca.pressfrom.com]


Keith Richards takes swipe at Sir Mick Jagger

Keith Richards has taken a swipe at Sir Mick Jagger's songwriting skills.

The 72-year-old rocker doesn't care that his Rolling Stones bandmate has already penned 40 new tracks for a potential new record as he would rather do something "really interesting" than be as "prolific" as the singer.

He told Uncut magazine of Mick's 40 songs: "Being prolific don't mean s**t.

"I've got three songs and they're dynamite. I don't want to make any decisions about this until the record comes out because I think it might change Mick's attitude, it might change mine.

"I want to see the fallout from this record before I decide whether I want to record 40 of Mick's songs or whether he wants to sit down with me and record some songs together. That's my thing. That's my ball there.

"I've got a few songs on the back burner and so does Mick - he writes a lot. I don't.

"I tend to concentrate on two or three really interesting riffs or ideas, rather than being prolific."

And after returning to their roots with upcoming blues covers album 'Blue & Lonesome', Sir Mick is now keen to take the band in a new direction.

He said: "I was writing last night at the end of the baseball match.

"I sat watching the World Series, playing my guitar. But I think it would be nice to do new songs and go in a new direction with them."

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The Joker
I found this..published 27 november 2016
[ca.pressfrom.com]


Keith Richards takes swipe at Sir Mick Jagger

Keith Richards has taken a swipe at Sir Mick Jagger's songwriting skills.

The 72-year-old rocker doesn't care that his Rolling Stones bandmate has already penned 40 new tracks for a potential new record as he would rather do something "really interesting" than be as "prolific" as the singer.

He told Uncut magazine of Mick's 40 songs: "Being prolific don't mean s**t.

"I've got three songs and they're dynamite. I don't want to make any decisions about this until the record comes out because I think it might change Mick's attitude, it might change mine.

"I want to see the fallout from this record before I decide whether I want to record 40 of Mick's songs or whether he wants to sit down with me and record some songs together. That's my thing. That's my ball there.

"I've got a few songs on the back burner and so does Mick - he writes a lot. I don't.

"I tend to concentrate on two or three really interesting riffs or ideas, rather than being prolific."

And after returning to their roots with upcoming blues covers album 'Blue & Lonesome', Sir Mick is now keen to take the band in a new direction.

He said: "I was writing last night at the end of the baseball match.

"I sat watching the World Series, playing my guitar. But I think it would be nice to do new songs and go in a new direction with them."

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I found this..published 27 november 2016
[ca.pressfrom.com]


Keith Richards takes swipe at Sir Mick Jagger

Keith Richards has taken a swipe at Sir Mick Jagger's songwriting skills.

The 72-year-old rocker doesn't care that his Rolling Stones bandmate has already penned 40 new tracks for a potential new record as he would rather do something "really interesting" than be as "prolific" as the singer.

He told Uncut magazine of Mick's 40 songs: "Being prolific don't mean s**t.

"I've got three songs and they're dynamite. I don't want to make any decisions about this until the record comes out because I think it might change Mick's attitude, it might change mine.

"I want to see the fallout from this record before I decide whether I want to record 40 of Mick's songs or whether he wants to sit down with me and record some songs together. That's my thing. That's my ball there.

"I've got a few songs on the back burner and so does Mick - he writes a lot. I don't.

"I tend to concentrate on two or three really interesting riffs or ideas, rather than being prolific."

And after returning to their roots with upcoming blues covers album 'Blue & Lonesome', Sir Mick is now keen to take the band in a new direction.

He said: "I was writing last night at the end of the baseball match.

"I sat watching the World Series, playing my guitar. But I think it would be nice to do new songs and go in a new direction with them."

"dynamite" - like One More Shot or the songs on Crosseyed Heart??

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Keith can hope for another Jagger/Richards collaboration all he likes. There hasn't been one in 24 years when these guys were just turning 50. It was a small miracle Steve Jordan managed to wring one more album out of Keith -- even Keith didn't expect it to happen. Keith doesn't even have another half album to give like he did with BRIDGES TO BABYLON 20 years ago. CROSSEYED HEART scraped the barrel clean of ideas going back a very long time. Another A BIGGER BANG with Keith working on Mick's ideas is not likely. The model is 95% Mick demos with the band overdubbing. Keith and Ronnie at least don't seem very enthusiastic. Ronnie hasn't been enthusiastic about new material in a long time. What happens ultimately is up to Don Was and Universal and what they think of Mick's ideas. Keith makes noise, but in the end he'll play along to the One Direction-style single if that's the decision from above.

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It could be said Keith is in a better frame of mind musically now than he was 7 years ago. He should bang out another solo album of new material with a little help from his extended friends (including Mick if he is so inclined)

Why is Keith so stubborn about this? He's not going to get satisfaction from Mick. But that's just guessing on my part. Who knows in a month's time we'll hear about the summer tour and a new Stones album.....