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Licks was 2002
Grrrrr was 2012
Too early to tour behind a greatest hits compilation. It's amazing they toured behind the Licks and Grrrr moniker as it is.........and got away with it easily
They've done it three times, toured behind a hits comp. 1975 was the first.
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IanBillen
Sure... I agree .. You agree... Most here would agree .. but here is the thing .. The Stones (especially Jagger) would agree or accept this tag / lable. They would say they are still at least one-half 'current' or attempting to be a current act still.. .. ... (and there is not much a basis for that to back up their opinion on that anymore).
When was the last time they suggested that ? It certainly used to be the case that Jagger paid lip service (no pun intended) to that ethos but they certainly havent alluded to it at any time in the last decade that I can see.
Its quite obvious by now that with all the anniversary concerts, expanded reissues, 'themed' shows (like SF live), archive releases, career spanning retrospective books, autobiographies, exhibitions, bringing back ex-band members for guest slots and concerts that have more often than not seen an entire show consist of songs that are over a quarter of a century old that they've long ago accepted that they're on a victory lap now. And with those things proving to be very financially lucrative, they're clearly ok with it.
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Gazza
They can 'say' all they want to make themselves sound credible to some people. It's just hot air and cliches and means nothing if they're not actually doing it.
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Gazza
Yes it speaks volumes that each of them have been more keen to release 'new' songs on solo records in the last couple of years yet so reluctant to give fans even a sniff of anything original under the band name for several years.
The money is in the nostalgia. The creative side appears to be for side projects.
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GasLightStreet
A lot of artists release new music because they want to, more than making money. Because if it was about making money, most of them would've quit by now.
The Stones don't need to worry about money with record sales. So clearly they just aren't interested in new music for the sake of doing new music.
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Hairball
Ringo's solo output has arguably been better and more successful than Micks solo output.
It Don't Come Easy, Photograph, Back Off Boogaloo just to name a few - all top 10 hits in the US and UK, w/Photograph making it to #1 in the US.
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Hairball
Ringo's solo output has arguably been better and more successful than Micks solo output.
It Don't Come Easy, Photograph, Back Off Boogaloo just to name a few - all top 10 hits in the US and UK, w/Photograph making it to #1 in the US.
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GasLightStreet
A lot of artists release new music because they want to, more than making money. Because if it was about making money, most of them would've quit by now.
The Stones don't need to worry about money with record sales. So clearly they just aren't interested in new music for the sake of doing new music.
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Rokyfan
It's a huge investment, particularly of effort and time, to get together and produce a new album -- obviously, since it's not happening -- with not much financial payoff. By comparison, getting the show back on the road again, with the minimal rehearsal now necessary, wins out every time.
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It's a huge investment, particularly of effort and time, to get together and produce a new album -- obviously, since it's not happening -- with not much financial payoff. By comparison, getting the show back on the road again, with the minimal rehearsal now necessary, wins out every time.
Intriguing phrase -- "the minimal rehearsal now necessary" -- but what exactly do you mean by it? Do you mean that the Stones have become more adept and fast at warming up the band for a tour? Or are you being sly and saying that they're now less willing to put in the hours to really and truly rehearse?
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Hairball
Ringo's solo output has arguably been better and more successful than Micks solo output.
It Don't Come Easy, Photograph, Back Off Boogaloo just to name a few - all top 10 hits in the US and UK, w/Photograph making it to #1 in the US.
Ringo started his solo career at age 30; Mick was already over 40.
If Mick had gone solo in the early 1970s, his output and legacy as a solo artist would have been huge, like Bowie and Rod Stewart.
The age of the record buying audience never changes, which is why artists don't have much chart success after age 40.
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It's a huge investment, particularly of effort and time, to get together and produce a new album -- obviously, since it's not happening -- with not much financial payoff. By comparison, getting the show back on the road again, with the minimal rehearsal now necessary, wins out every time.
Intriguing phrase -- "the minimal rehearsal now necessary" -- but what exactly do you mean by it? Do you mean that the Stones have become more adept and fast at warming up the band for a tour? Or are you being sly and saying that they're now less willing to put in the hours to really and truly rehearse?
Drew
I mean that they need little rehearsal time to reproduce the same show. They used to work up new numbers for each tour, settle in and rehearse somewhere for weeks, do a warmup in a club, etc. It's not that they are not willing to put in the necessary time to rehearse. It's that not that much time is necessary for the show they now do. You might want to say that they are unwilling to put in the rehearsal time that would be necessary to do new numbers (truly new or new to the show) and that's why they play the same show, but that would be speculation.
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Gazza
You could argue that they toured on a live album in 1970 and 1982
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It's a huge investment, particularly of effort and time, to get together and produce a new album -- obviously, since it's not happening -- with not much financial payoff. By comparison, getting the show back on the road again, with the minimal rehearsal now necessary, wins out every time.
Intriguing phrase -- "the minimal rehearsal now necessary" -- but what exactly do you mean by it? Do you mean that the Stones have become more adept and fast at warming up the band for a tour? Or are you being sly and saying that they're now less willing to put in the hours to really and truly rehearse?
Drew
I mean that they need little rehearsal time to reproduce the same show. They used to work up new numbers for each tour, settle in and rehearse somewhere for weeks, do a warmup in a club, etc. It's not that they are not willing to put in the necessary time to rehearse. It's that not that much time is necessary for the show they now do. You might want to say that they are unwilling to put in the rehearsal time that would be necessary to do new numbers (truly new or new to the show) and that's why they play the same show, but that would be speculation.
The first half-dozen shows of the tour are the "rehearsal." As Keith says, they're just hitting their stride, and then it's over and they need to take three-month vacations in the Caribbean to recover.
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Licks was 2002
Grrrrr was 2012
Too early to tour behind a greatest hits compilation. It's amazing they toured behind the Licks and Grrrr moniker as it is.........and got away with it easily
They've done it three times, toured behind a hits comp. 1975 was the first.
You could argue that they toured on a live album in 1970 and 1982 by that yardstick.
That's far-fetched. The 1970 was actually a mixture between a Let It Bleed and Sticky Fingers tour, although the latter wasn't released until some months later. 1982 was clearly a Tattoo You tour. The album was only released a 3/4 year earlier and all songs from the album were still in the set, except one.
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Gazza
You could argue that they toured on a live album in 1970 and 1982
No, you couldn't actually.
In those days, they did the USA first. That was the Tattoo You tour (U.S. 1981), just like they did it in '72.
First the U.S. audience, then the European/Rest of World audience.
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Gazza
You could argue that they toured on a live album in 1970 and 1982
No, you couldn't actually.
In those days, they did the USA first. That was the Tattoo You tour (U.S. 1981), just like they did it in '72.
First the U.S. audience, then the European/Rest of World audience.
Yes, you could actually.
STILL LIFE was released just before European Tour 1982 and those who were there in Europe at the time remember how much the album was a part of 'tour experience'. Surely the concept for that tour - like the album - was based on American Tour by which they promoted TATTOO YOU, but TATTOO YOU was already in 1982 old news. They were promoting STILL LIFE in 1982, and this was seen, for example, in the style of advertising the shows (based, for example, on photos taken during American Tour - guys, remember those big posters of smiling Mick & Keith; the cover of STILL LIFE was actually an ad to promote the tour...). In that sense, the whole concept of European Tour was an early indication of upcoming Cohl era tours, in which the nature of a tour is based on some certain theme or idea (though not yet named). By contrast, the 1981 American tour didn't have that kind of uniting theme yet - it was more loosely based on old seventies style of 'touring behind/on' = promoting their latest studio album, which happened to be TATTOO YOU.
And STILL LIFE was a huge success in Europe - in Sweden, for example, it reached #1, and "Going To A Go-Go" was a top ten hit (#5 if memory serves). I was too young to reach the Gothenburg shows yet, but I still recall how much the singles of STILL LIFE were played in Finnish radio, like soundtracking the much hyped SWedish gigs (and for many of us, like me, the album was the closest we could ever get to those shows). We have to remember that those were the days when touring in Europe wasn't very profitable - at least that's what the Stones were saying at the time. So it was also important to have an album to maximise the profits - or probably even cover the possible losses (anyway, wasn't that reason why TATTOO YOU was so quickly and extraordinarly put together from a vaults material - to have an album to 'gain' from a tour - since the big money still was in selling records - though I think American Tour 1981 was the first tour ever they got more money from gigging than having an album on charts).
Actually, I would go so far that they probably never have toured on an album as tightly as they did in 1982: STILL LIFE offered an exact idea what kind of show we are going to get - about all of the songs would be played live...
To make this point further: If we think about the legendary American Tour 1969 can we actually say that is is a 'LET IT BLEED TOUR'? If we look at the set lists it is as much based on BEGGARS BANQUET material as it is on LET IT BLEED - an album which was released after the 'official' tour (just before Altamont), but for which, of course, the tour served as a promotion. But actually the album they were then 'touring on' in the sense selling heavily at the time of the tour was actually THROUGH THE PAST DARKLY - their biggest selling album in the US by then (to be soon topped by LET IT BLEED). For their following year's hype to be gained by touring (European 1970) they needed a new product (GET YER YA-YA'S OUT!) - and I think in many ways it serves for that tour as STILL LIFE would later do to 1982 (and, similarly, MADE IN THE SHADE served for 1975 tour as THROUGH THE PAST, DARKLY to 1969 tour).
The moral of all of this (bullshit) is that that we shouldn't associate the identity of given tours too strongly to their latest studio album, not even during those classical days when they usually had a new studio album to go along with the tour. They were just promoting their latest album whatever it was, because selling records was the means for keeping them rich men (since the late-80's/early 90's, of course, it's the other way around - though, it could be that nowadays record-selling doesn't mean anything to them any longer business-wise).
What this have to do with a possible new Rolling Stones album... I guess as much as figuring out why Ringo Starr is better than Mick Jagger....
- Doxa
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Hairball
we don't even know what Mick would have released as a solo act in the early '70's.
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Hairball
we don't even know what Mick would have released as a solo act in the early '70's.
Something quite different than what the more traditional Stones formula produced during that time, considering the people he was hanging out with...
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Hairball
we don't even know what Mick would have released as a solo act in the early '70's.
Something quite different than what the more traditional Stones formula produced during that time, considering the people he was hanging out with...
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Shott
Jesus now when I come for information on new stones I have to read about Ringo's solo career?