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keithsman
Okay Rocky my beauty, I've read your post now, what i love about you is that you don't let the truth spoil a good story.
It's fantasy, but bloody good fantasy, i give you that.
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Am i the only one that just wishes they would abandon this Stones album and all three of them go in the Studio and make a solo album of originals each. That way we get something good to listen to. I loved Ronnies solo album, Feel Like Playing.
This is the thing though concerning Mick's writers block, if he really could write great music he would have made a very good solo album in the past 15 years. I rest my case.
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Keith didn't even play the opening riff on Doom and Gloom, their last major single.. it was all Mick :/
Not all Mick. Keith came in and doubled the riff after a second or so. Right channel, if memory serves
Similarly on “Don’t Stop” and “I Go Wild.” How that choice gets made — as opposed to “High Wire” or “Oh No, Not You Again,” where Keith plays lead/fills — might have something to do with whether Ronnie is around at the moment. Who knows!
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keithsman
Okay Rocky my beauty, I've read your post now, what i love about you is that you don't let the truth spoil a good story.
It's fantasy, but bloody good fantasy, i give you that.
No claims of truth whatsoever. Just speculation until such time as we have something worthwhile to consider...and I don't mean "Gotta Get a Grip" or "England Lost."
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Okay Rocky my beauty, I've read your post now, what i love about you is that you don't let the truth spoil a good story.
It's fantasy, but bloody good fantasy, i give you that.
Why do you keep calling it a fantasy? What are you basing your judgement that Keith is not the one holding up the new album on? It appears that if Mick was in charge, England Lost & Get A Grip would have been Stones singles. Multiple posts in this thread refer to Mick's forty demos and Keith's three dynamite riffs, along with Pete Townshend's quote about Mick's frustration.
Someone could make the case that Keith is rightly keeping quality control as high as possible and rightly vetoed the two singles and forty demos and who knows what else Mick has proposed in the last fifteen years. But from everything I've read, it seems clear that Keith is likely the one that is holding up the release of any new Stones music. It's not that there's a lack of material, but a lack of material that Keith likes.
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Okay Rocky my beauty, I've read your post now, what i love about you is that you don't let the truth spoil a good story.
It's fantasy, but bloody good fantasy, i give you that.
No claims of truth whatsoever. Just speculation until such time as we have something worthwhile to consider...and I don't mean "Gotta Get a Grip" or "England Lost."
That's right Rocky and I'm the same and it's completely speculative with all of us. Who knows where it comes or how things manifest in our minds that cause us to draw the conclusions we do. But i tell you it's fun, and it helps to deal with the frustration of this album. To be honest I'm past the point of caring, on one level I'm disappointed in all of them, on another level just grateful we still have them with us, it's a miracle these old guys take to the road and the studio together, it's a dream come true, and yet i wish they had called it a day in 2006, it's a slow painful decline that's hard to watch sometimes, especially when it comes to Keith's stage performances.
But having said that i wouldn't put it past them to come up with a fairly good album when they finally get over themselves.
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Okay Rocky my beauty, I've read your post now, what i love about you is that you don't let the truth spoil a good story.
It's fantasy, but bloody good fantasy, i give you that.
No claims of truth whatsoever. Just speculation until such time as we have something worthwhile to consider...and I don't mean "Gotta Get a Grip" or "England Lost."
That's right Rocky and I'm the same and it's completely speculative with all of us. Who knows where it comes or how things manifest in our minds that cause us to draw the conclusions we do. But i tell you it's fun, and it helps to deal with the frustration of this album. To be honest I'm past the point of caring, on one level I'm disappointed in all of them, on another level just grateful we still have them with us, it's a miracle these old guys take to the road and the studio together, it's a dream come true, and yet i wish they had called it a day in 2006, it's a slow painful decline that's hard to watch sometimes, especially when it comes to Keith's stage performances.
But having said that i wouldn't put it past them to come up with a fairly good album when they finally get over themselves.
Of course it's all completely speculative with all of us. Furthermore, these speculations are always fuelled by one's personal background. As an old bugger who's been a fan more or less since their very start who got nervous when a new single did not appear every couple of weeks or a new album or at least EP did not not appear every couple of months, I'm far beyond the point of being disappointed that a new album of original material did not appear since one and a half decades by now. The last time I was disappointed in this direction was when after the promising "comeback album" Steel Wheels it took them 5 years to come up with with a rather weak follow-up Voodoo Lounge - weak because they used their best songs for solo albums back then. It became obvious for me that producing new original Stones music was not their main priority anymore. After the slightly better, but still uneven Bridges To Babylon, A Bigger Bang (released 8 years later!) finally sealed my impression that creatively, my favourite band had finally become a spent force. And when the well is dry, it's dry, no matter how much you want to squeeze a last drop of water out of it. Not even the old "sealing Jagger/Richards in the kitchen"-trick could hide the fact that everything the band could say is already said and done. Wyman already sensed this nearly two decades ago when he left.
So with even a small ounce of realism left who can honestly be disappointed by them? I'm certainly not. Meanwhile, I stick with what I've heard (admittedly already some time ago by now) from someone who actually did take part in some recording sessions for this fabled new album, and the essence was: "There definitely will be a new album. But when it's going to be released is not something that's been discussed during the proceedings. They're obviously not in a hurry. My best guess is that it's a 60's Anniversary thing".
And that is that. And if I'm allowed to speculate a bit further, the album will be in the vein of Chuck Berry's last one: Unrecognizably Stones music, but no big creative surprises. And that's fine with me, as long as the actual songs are good, and that's the bread and butter for me. In this scenario, I honestly can see no reason for any creative fighting between the two major songwriters anymore. That's a thing of the now distant past.
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Okay Rocky my beauty, I've read your post now, what i love about you is that you don't let the truth spoil a good story.
It's fantasy, but bloody good fantasy, i give you that.
No claims of truth whatsoever. Just speculation until such time as we have something worthwhile to consider...and I don't mean "Gotta Get a Grip" or "England Lost."
That's right Rocky and I'm the same and it's completely speculative with all of us. Who knows where it comes or how things manifest in our minds that cause us to draw the conclusions we do. But i tell you it's fun, and it helps to deal with the frustration of this album. To be honest I'm past the point of caring, on one level I'm disappointed in all of them, on another level just grateful we still have them with us, it's a miracle these old guys take to the road and the studio together, it's a dream come true, and yet i wish they had called it a day in 2006, it's a slow painful decline that's hard to watch sometimes, especially when it comes to Keith's stage performances.
But having said that i wouldn't put it past them to come up with a fairly good album when they finally get over themselves.
Of course it's all completely speculative with all of us. Furthermore, these speculations are always fuelled by one's personal background. As an old bugger who's been a fan more or less since their very start who got nervous when a new single did not appear every couple of weeks or a new album or at least EP did not not appear every couple of months, I'm far beyond the point of being disappointed that a new album of original material did not appear since one and a half decades by now. The last time I was disappointed in this direction was when after the promising "comeback album" Steel Wheels it took them 5 years to come up with with a rather weak follow-up Voodoo Lounge - weak because they used their best songs for solo albums back then. It became obvious for me that producing new original Stones music was not their main priority anymore. After the slightly better, but still uneven Bridges To Babylon, A Bigger Bang (released 8 years later!) finally sealed my impression that creatively, my favourite band had finally become a spent force. And when the well is dry, it's dry, no matter how much you want to squeeze a last drop of water out of it. Not even the old "sealing Jagger/Richards in the kitchen"-trick could hide the fact that everything the band could say is already said and done. Wyman already sensed this nearly three decades ago when he left.
So with even a small ounce of realism left who can honestly be disappointed by them? I'm certainly not. Meanwhile, I stick with what I've heard (admittedly already some time ago by now) from someone who actually did take part in some recording sessions for this fabled new album, and the essence was: "There definitely will be a new album. But when it's going to be released is not something that's been discussed during the proceedings. They're obviously not in a hurry. My best guess is that it's a 60's Anniversary thing".
And that is that. And if I'm allowed to speculate a bit further, the album will be in the vein of Chuck Berry's last one: Unrecognizably Stones music, but no big creative surprises. And that's fine with me, as long as the actual songs are good, and that's the bread and butter for me. In this scenario, I honestly can see no reason for any creative fighting between the two major songwriters anymore. That's a thing of the now distant past.
The problem is not what we think...is what they say!!! If band members have been saying for 6 years that they are working on an album and after 6 years they are still talking about it like a 'puzzle' (plus reissues of old albums), it seems reasonable to express doubts.
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It's all well and good to say they owe us nothing and we should expect nothing because they have given us so much already etc etc. But for Mick, Keith and Ronnie to keep saying it's going well for 6 years and to continue to say they are writing songs is insulting to the fans. It's treating fans with contempt. The only thing that might help explain the extended delay would be a double album of originals.
The other thing is why the secrecy over the making of this album, 6 years of being deceived, why can't they be honest with us, what was the reason they allegedly started again and scratched an almost finished album.
What pisses me off the most is all the missed opertunities to play the new material at the live shows, live shows are begging to be something more than nostalgia, something more than just the hits. It would be fantastic if they played 3 or 4 new songs live each night this coming tour, i mean come on what are they saving it for, is that not reason enough for the timing to be now, as soon as one Stone becomes too sick to tour that's it, the opertunity to play the new tracks will be gone forever, and as we know with the Stones, album tracks come to life when played live, that's what this band was always about, bringing music to life.
If it is the case that indeed Mick goes to the well and it's ran dry, then why was my insistence that he might have writers block met with such hostility on here, obviously it's a strong possibility, and if that's the case why didn't Mick abandon the album and let the others concentrate on solo albums etc. But this way, with a never ending album in the pipeline we get nothing from any of them. I see what's happening here.
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It's all well and good to say they owe us nothing and we should expect nothing because they have given us so much already etc etc. But for Mick, Keith and Ronnie to keep saying it's going well for 6 years and to continue to say they are writing songs is insulting to the fans. It's treating fans with contempt. The only thing that might help explain the extended delay would be a double album of originals.
The other thing is why the secrecy over the making of this album, 6 years of being deceived, why can't they be honest with us, what was the reason they allegedly started again and scratched an almost finished album.
What pisses me off the most is all the missed opertunities to play the new material at the live shows, live shows are begging to be something more than nostalgia, something more than just the hits. It would be fantastic if they played 3 or 4 new songs live each night this coming tour, i mean come on what are they saving it for, is that not reason enough for the timing to be now, as soon as one Stone becomes too sick to tour that's it, the opertunity to play the new tracks will be gone forever, and as we know with the Stones, album tracks come to life when played live, that's what this band was always about, bringing music to life.
If it is the case that indeed Mick goes to the well and it's ran dry, then why was my insistence that he might have writers block met with such hostility on here, obviously it's a strong possibility, and if that's the case why didn't Mick abandon the album and let the others concentrate on solo albums etc. But this way, with a never ending album in the pipeline we get nothing from any of them. I see what's happening here.
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New Q magazine Mick says he’s finishing off some tracks for GHS Reissue and WRITING new songs for the Stones new album.
He’s STILL writing tracks for a new Album? It’s been 15 (FIFTEEN) years since the last album and the “new” one has been being worked on for at least 5 years. Wow. He’s still writing for it...
I haven’t seen the magazine, but it sounds like a repeat of original quote given to iHeartRadio.
Which was:
«I'm just writing songs for the (new) Stones album. I'm trying to get some other ones done - we got a reissue of Goats Head Soup with a couple of extra tracks - I'm trying to finish those».
He's writing songs for the new Stones album for many years!!! 40 demos, 30/40 basic tracks...it's not enough?!!!
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"as you know, the Stones never make an album overnight"
And they've never made one that has taken 15 years either!
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SEES IT. 15 years god damn it, the Stones do 15 shows a year, just excuse after excuse.
This is just the usual public relations BS from Ronnie.
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One last addition to my previous post: A "writer's block" is something totally different than realizing that no matter how many songs you still write, you simply can't add anything with a lasting impression to your already huge and outstanding body of work from decades ago. That's what I mean with this "well that's dry", that creatively, they can't do anything that they haven't done before, that creatively (not financially!), "this band has achieved everything it could achieve" (in Wyman's words). Also, their ongoing success as a live band and the financial gains from touring might lead to a certain laziness in creating new material. Then there's their age. Consider all this and it's a miracle that they're recording new material at all.
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One last addition to my previous post: A "writer's block" is something totally different than realizing that no matter how many songs you still write, you simply can't add anything with a lasting impression to your already huge and outstanding body of work from decades ago. That's what I mean with this "well that's dry", that creatively, they can't do anything that they haven't done before, that creatively (not financially!), "this band has achieved everything it could achieve" (in Wyman's words). Also, their ongoing success as a live band and the financial gains from touring might lead to a certain laziness in creating new material. Then there's their age. Consider all this and it's a miracle that they're recording new material at all.
There's still ZERO proof that they've recorded anything new. It's all talk. And you know someone's album... those videos of Mick playing along with whatever mean NOTHING. All this "40 demos" BS means NOTHING. How many years later and not even a single?
Hogwash. This thread needs to die.
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"as you know, the Stones never make an album overnight"
And they've never made one that has taken 15 years either!
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SEES IT. 15 years god damn it, the Stones do 15 shows a year, just excuse after excuse.
This is just the usual public relations BS from Ronnie.
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One last addition to my previous post: A "writer's block" is something totally different than realizing that no matter how many songs you still write, you simply can't add anything with a lasting impression to your already huge and outstanding body of work from decades ago. That's what I mean with this "well that's dry", that creatively, they can't do anything that they haven't done before, that creatively (not financially!), "this band has achieved everything it could achieve" (in Wyman's words). Also, their ongoing success as a live band and the financial gains from touring might lead to a certain laziness in creating new material. Then there's their age. Consider all this and it's a miracle that they're recording new material at all.
There's still ZERO proof that they've recorded anything new. It's all talk. And you know someone's album... those videos of Mick playing along with whatever mean NOTHING. All this "40 demos" BS means NOTHING. How many years later and not even a single?
Hogwash. This thread needs to die.
So what do you think they've been doing in the studio the handful of times since 2015? Taking massive shits and calling it a day? Please don't tell me you actually believe what you wrote there.
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If they're still capable of deceiving you, that's on you. This contempt thing is a chuckle. Was already wondering when Mick's ineptitude would come into it, but you never disappoint
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"as you know, the Stones never make an album overnight"
And they've never made one that has taken 15 years either!
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SEES IT. 15 years god damn it, the Stones do 15 shows a year, just excuse after excuse.
This is just the usual public relations BS from Ronnie.
If referring to GettaGrip/England Lost, seems it was more than Keith who didn't like them.
Beyond the few Stones fans on here who have proclaimed to have liked one (or both), you can probably count the rest of the people in the world who liked them on one hand.
Those tunes have simply disappeared off the face of the earth as far as staying power, so you gotta think Keith was right in not wanting anything to do with them.
As Shott said above, Crosseyed Heart is great reason for hope (at least it was), as was the collaborative team effort on the blues covers album, but those are quickly growing old and any momentum is probably already lost.
It's beyond any explanation or justification of why the Stones haven't released a new album of originals in nearly 15 years - seems clear they really don't give a crap about it. They hint and bluff during interviews, but in reality it's probably the last thing on their minds. Meanwhile, a new tour is around the corner and tickets are selling great - why would they give a crap about releasing new material when practically nobody cares whether they do or they dont? Their days of being honest to goodness creative artists are long gone - now they're simply actors reenacting the glory days by playing tunes from days of yore. Still fun to watch and a thrill to expereince, but a far cry from what they once were.
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"as you know, the Stones never make an album overnight"
And they've never made one that has taken 15 years either!
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SEES IT. 15 years god damn it, the Stones do 15 shows a year, just excuse after excuse.
This is just the usual public relations BS from Ronnie.
If referring to GettaGrip/England Lost, seems it was more than Keith who didn't like them.
Beyond the few Stones fans on here who have proclaimed to have liked one (or both), you can probably count the rest of the people in the world who liked them on one hand.
Those tunes have simply disappeared off the face of the earth as far as staying power, so you gotta think Keith was right in not wanting anything to do with them.
As Shott said above, Crosseyed Heart is great reason for hope (at least it was), as was the collaborative team effort on the blues covers album, but those are quickly growing old and any momentum is probably already lost.
It's beyond any explanation or justification of why the Stones haven't released a new album of originals in nearly 15 years - seems clear they really don't give a crap about it. They hint and bluff during interviews, but in reality it's probably the last thing on their minds. Meanwhile, a new tour is around the corner and tickets are selling great - why would they give a crap about releasing new material when practically nobody cares whether they do or they dont? Their days of being honest to goodness creative artists are long gone - now they're simply actors reenacting the glory days by playing tunes from days of yore. Still fun to watch and a thrill to expereince, but a far cry from what they once were.
For there to be someone of the type present here, I confirm that I was one to like both "Gotta Get a Grip" / "England Lost" and, besides, I was quite bored by CROSSEYED HEART.
So what gives me hope and what not, is quite opposite to many other posters.
In addition, I am one of those, who do not so much want to see them live play a largely unchanged setlist and are much more interested in obtaining a studio album of unknown material (preferably quite new). The realization of such an album and the live playing of some songs therefrom, is really what would make me strongly wish to see them in concert anew.
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"as you know, the Stones never make an album overnight"
And they've never made one that has taken 15 years either!
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SEES IT. 15 years god damn it, the Stones do 15 shows a year, just excuse after excuse.
This is just the usual public relations BS from Ronnie.
If referring to GettaGrip/England Lost, seems it was more than Keith who didn't like them.
Beyond the few Stones fans on here who have proclaimed to have liked one (or both), you can probably count the rest of the people in the world who liked them on one hand.
Those tunes have simply disappeared off the face of the earth as far as staying power, so you gotta think Keith was right in not wanting anything to do with them.
As Shott said above, Crosseyed Heart is great reason for hope (at least it was), as was the collaborative team effort on the blues covers album, but those are quickly growing old and any momentum is probably already lost.
It's beyond any explanation or justification of why the Stones haven't released a new album of originals in nearly 15 years - seems clear they really don't give a crap about it. They hint and bluff during interviews, but in reality it's probably the last thing on their minds. Meanwhile, a new tour is around the corner and tickets are selling great - why would they give a crap about releasing new material when practically nobody cares whether they do or they dont? Their days of being honest to goodness creative artists are long gone - now they're simply actors reenacting the glory days by playing tunes from days of yore. Still fun to watch and a thrill to expereince, but a far cry from what they once were.
For there to be someone of the type present here, I confirm that I was one to like both "Gotta Get a Grip" / "England Lost" and, besides, I was quite bored by CROSSEYED HEART.
So what gives me hope and what not, is quite opposite to many other posters.
In addition, I am one of those, who do not so much want to see them live play a largely unchanged setlist and are much more interested in obtaining a studio album of unknown material (preferably quite new). The realization of such an album and the live playing of some songs therefrom, is really what would make me strongly wish to see them in concert anew.
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One last addition to my previous post: A "writer's block" is something totally different than realizing that no matter how many songs you still write, you simply can't add anything with a lasting impression to your already huge and outstanding body of work from decades ago. That's what I mean with this "well that's dry", that creatively, they can't do anything that they haven't done before, that creatively (not financially!), "this band has achieved everything it could achieve" (in Wyman's words). Also, their ongoing success as a live band and the financial gains from touring might lead to a certain laziness in creating new material. Then there's their age. Consider all this and it's a miracle that they're recording new material at all.
There's still ZERO proof that they've recorded anything new. It's all talk. And you know someone's album... those videos of Mick playing along with whatever mean NOTHING. All this "40 demos" BS means NOTHING. How many years later and not even a single?
Hogwash. This thread needs to die.
So what do you think they've been doing in the studio the handful of times since 2015? Taking massive shits and calling it a day? Please don't tell me you actually believe what you wrote there.