For information about how to use this forum please check out forum help and policies.
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
HMSQuote
GasLightStreet
All the songs on TATTOO YOU were finished in 1981, making them... new songs... because they were finished.
You´re Wrong, wrong, helplessly wrong all over...
finishing an old song does not make it automatically a new song.
Plundered My Soul isn´t a new song, it´s a finished old song (at best). Worried About You wasn´t a new song in 1981 it was an finished old song. You missed the thin line between new song and finished old song it seems... although the line in fact isn´t that thin.
Nope. Unheard of = new. It's new now when it's released.
Quote
GasLightStreet
FACT: TATTOO YOU is not a compilation.
Just like VOODOO LOUNGE, it consists of songs recorded in recording studios. As it has been unnecessarily established, except for your complete inadequateness, it doesn't matter when they were done, they're still new when they are released, partially because they've never been heard before.
Quote
keefriffhard4life
btw I just want to say the songs on TY were not 100% finished and just slap dashed on to the album. there are overdubs from the early 80's on a lot of the tunes
Quote
HMSQuote
keefriffhard4life
btw I just want to say the songs on TY were not 100% finished and just slap dashed on to the album. there are overdubs from the early 80's on a lot of the tunes
Yes, they polished up songs mostly from way-back-when and sold them as brandnew and didn´t tell us about the origins of most of the stuff on TY.
Quote
GasLightStreet
Since this unreleased new album that isn't finished and is apparently still stuck on the wall according to one blabbering critic, this album will only be a new compilation by the time it's released next December, since it was started in December of 2015.
So no new Stones album, just another compilation.
Quote
keefriffhard4life
maybe its just me but I always looked at thing like let it bleed-exile as a set of sessions and GHS-ER as a set of sessions and TY closing the chapter on the GHHS-ER sessions. that's why I think of it as an album and not a compilation
Quote
keefriffhard4life
btw I just want to say the songs on TY were not 100% finished and just slap dashed on to the album. there are overdubs from the early 80's on a lot of the tunes
Quote
GasLightStreet
About half of EOMS was similar to TY.
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
keefriffhard4life
btw I just want to say the songs on TY were not 100% finished and just slap dashed on to the album. there are overdubs from the early 80's on a lot of the tunes
Of course they weren't 100% finished - just like the songs for this supposed new album now.
Slap dashed? They spent over a month working on overdubs and editing in 1980 and 3 months in 1981 doing more. Considering the time spent on recording the bottoms, a lot of work went into the songs on TATTOO YOU.
A new song is a new song when it's released. Even Mick agrees. When it's finished has zero relevance. About half of EOMS was similar to TY. Plundered My Soul was a new song in 2010, regardless of Mick writing lyrics for it in 2009 with the bottoms being recorded in 1971. If Keith found a riff he recorded at home in 1974 and used it on the new album, it's still a new riff, because it hasn't been used before.
They were very much like any other Rolling Stones song then or now, to be honest. You'd listen to them and you'd go, Okay, so that needs a vocal, and that's the chorus, this is that. Some were pretty much together, and some were less together. And you just treat them as if they were new, to be perfectly honest. It's always a bit odd to revisit things, but after you get used to them, it doesn't really matter if they were done last week or 35, 40 years ago.
- Mick Jagger, 2010
It's kind of interesting, the process. It sounds a bit weird, but to be honest, if someone had sent me these tracks and told me, You did those two years ago - the process is exactly the same. It's not the best way of writing songs. My favorite way of writing songs is to have the melody and at least most of the lyrics while the music's there, but sometimes it happens that it isn't like that, and a lot of people work like that, that sometimes you have to write to a finished track. It happens like that and you just do it.
- Mick Jagger, 2010
[timeisonourside.com]
Quote
GasLightStreet
A new song is a new song when it's released. Even Mick agrees. When it's finished has zero relevance.
Quote
HMSQuote
GasLightStreet
A new song is a new song when it's released. Even Mick agrees. When it's finished has zero relevance.
Wrong oh so very wrong... and i dont care what Mick says when I know I am right. A recently finished eight years old song isn´t a new song. It´s an old song finally finsished. That is clear for anyone to see.
Just change the title:Quote
runrudolph
There wont be a new album this year.
So please,Bjornulf, end this thread.
Jeroen
Quote
RokyfanJust change the title:Quote
runrudolph
There wont be a new album this year.
So please,Bjornulf, end this thread.
Jeroen
Compilation Stones album for 2020?
Quote
keefriffhard4lifeQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
keefriffhard4life
btw I just want to say the songs on TY were not 100% finished and just slap dashed on to the album. there are overdubs from the early 80's on a lot of the tunes
Of course they weren't 100% finished - just like the songs for this supposed new album now.
Slap dashed? They spent over a month working on overdubs and editing in 1980 and 3 months in 1981 doing more. Considering the time spent on recording the bottoms, a lot of work went into the songs on TATTOO YOU.
A new song is a new song when it's released. Even Mick agrees. When it's finished has zero relevance. About half of EOMS was similar to TY. Plundered My Soul was a new song in 2010, regardless of Mick writing lyrics for it in 2009 with the bottoms being recorded in 1971. If Keith found a riff he recorded at home in 1974 and used it on the new album, it's still a new riff, because it hasn't been used before.
They were very much like any other Rolling Stones song then or now, to be honest. You'd listen to them and you'd go, Okay, so that needs a vocal, and that's the chorus, this is that. Some were pretty much together, and some were less together. And you just treat them as if they were new, to be perfectly honest. It's always a bit odd to revisit things, but after you get used to them, it doesn't really matter if they were done last week or 35, 40 years ago.
- Mick Jagger, 2010
It's kind of interesting, the process. It sounds a bit weird, but to be honest, if someone had sent me these tracks and told me, You did those two years ago - the process is exactly the same. It's not the best way of writing songs. My favorite way of writing songs is to have the melody and at least most of the lyrics while the music's there, but sometimes it happens that it isn't like that, and a lot of people work like that, that sometimes you have to write to a finished track. It happens like that and you just do it.
- Mick Jagger, 2010
[timeisonourside.com]
I am agreeing with you that TY is a new album. I said they didn't just slap dash the songs together on an album. like I said earlier to me it seemed like GHS-ER was one long creative process for the band and TY closed that chapter. after that the band pretty much has done a session for each album and haven't really brought back old backing tracks to complete new albums. not talking about the bonus discs for deluxe releases btw
Quote
HMS
A recently finished eight years old song isn´t a new song. It´s an old song finally finsished. That is clear for anyone to see.
Quote
Palace Revolution 2000
It is crazy for audience members to decide what is new. When exactly is the cutoff between new and not new?
The artists decides at some point that a certain song rings his bell, and that he feels the need to complete and release. It could all be written that morning and recorded, mixed and mastered the same day; or it could be rumbling in the back of his brain for 8 years, but never was right for one reason or another. Then one day he makes it right. New or not new, who cares? But it would be on the new album.
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
Palace Revolution 2000
It is crazy for audience members to decide what is new. When exactly is the cutoff between new and not new?
The artists decides at some point that a certain song rings his bell, and that he feels the need to complete and release. It could all be written that morning and recorded, mixed and mastered the same day; or it could be rumbling in the back of his brain for 8 years, but never was right for one reason or another. Then one day he makes it right. New or not new, who cares? But it would be on the new album.
Precisely. It's new, regardless.
Quote
Rocky Dijon
So the topic of this thread: the long-gestating Stones album, when finally released, will contain a number of tracks that were started by Mick, Matt, and Charlie in 2011. Therefore, the new Stones album will not be a new studio album, but a compilation of old songs finally finished since you're clearly a "bottoms" man.
Quote
HMS
You can buy an old car and add new rear view mirrors, a new car-player, a new set of wheels and so on but it will still be an old car.