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Hairball
"we have Mick mixes and Keith mixes of many of the new tunes"
Pretty sure which versions I'd prefer, but will keep an open mind.
Maybe they should release two albums at once - a Keith version and a Mick version - make everybody happy!
Keep an open mind, yes, but it's beginning to look obvious that Mick has problems delivering decent goods that are fit for distribution.
I honestly don't understand why Mick and Keith don't finish off the volumes of tracks that must be left over from previous albums over the decades.
There are many circulating on youtube too, it's a pity these unfinished tracks will never be released. I just don't understand why Mick keeps writing demos that are not acceptable for a Stones album. I know he says he is writing all the time, but what is he writing ?, England Lost part 2, 3, and 4 perhaps
That judgement of quality not completely isolated from the poster's own preferences, one will gather.
Acceptability for a Stones album as well, it is obviously Keith's judgement once again which is the reference. If for some or even many posters and readers that would be a good measuring stick, it will not be the case for some others.
At least for these others, a lacking ability on Mick's part to come up with musical ideas is not a relevant proposal then. That explanation is contested.
I for one will rather assume that a difficult Keith is a much more relevant explanation. Mentionned in another post. . That is, "the stumbling block" hypothesis is quite interesting.
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Hairball
"we have Mick mixes and Keith mixes of many of the new tunes"
Pretty sure which versions I'd prefer, but will keep an open mind.
Maybe they should release two albums at once - a Keith version and a Mick version - make everybody happy!
Keep an open mind, yes, but it's beginning to look obvious that Mick has problems delivering decent goods that are fit for distribution.
I honestly don't understand why Mick and Keith don't finish off the volumes of tracks that must be left over from previous albums over the decades.
There are many circulating on youtube too, it's a pity these unfinished tracks will never be released. I just don't understand why Mick keeps writing demos that are not acceptable for a Stones album. I know he says he is writing all the time, but what is he writing ?, England Lost part 2, 3, and 4 perhaps
That judgement of quality not completely isolated from the poster's own preferences, one will gather.
Acceptability for a Stones album as well, it is obviously Keith's judgement once again which is the reference. If for some or even many posters and readers that would be a good measuring stick, it will not be the case for some others.
At least for these others, a lacking ability on Mick's part to come up with musical ideas is not a relevant proposal then. That explanation is contested.
I for one will rather assume that a difficult Keith is a much more relevant explanation. Mentionned in another post. . That is, "the stumbling block" hypothesis is quite interesting.
Fair enough, Keith has been known to be difficult,( not sure he's particularly difficult towards Mick in the studio ) but am i right in thinking the last few Stones albums have been dominated by Mick. I think that most agree the Stones albums of late have been Mick solo albums with a few tracks from Keith on them.
The 14 year absence of a Stones album isn't the only problem regarding Mick, but for a few collaborations it's 27 years since Mick wrote a solo album, it doesn't make sense for Mick to say he is continually writing without any product.
I don't think Keith is the only awkward Glimmer twin either, Mick has a reputation of being hard to work with also, Jeff Beck and others have expressed difficulty in working with Mick.
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Doxa
What goes for trolling I think much worse case than of someone defending DIRTY WORK a bit way too much is that of someone spoiling about every thread by turning it into another episode in Glimmer Twins soap opera. Makes me wonder if there is any other way to view or dig the Stones than matching it by the lenghts of Mick or Keith's dicks? Everything always needs to be someone's "fault" or "achievement" by the expense of the other. That of personally liking or appreciating more, say, a singer or a guitarist, or solo music by either of them, has long ago left the realm of common sense (and that of normal discussion in changing varying opinions based on different tastes), and having turned into some sort of ideology through which to evaluate and see and moralize everything. Grown up men! About music!
I curse Jane Rose what she has done to the Rolling Stones fans.
- Doxa
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GasLightStreet
Mick mixes and Keith mixes...
We've already got a few things finished and mixed, because the ten tracks on Some Girls comprise the bare minimum. In actual fact we recorded something like 42 tracks in Paris, and although some of it isn't finished it all has the same basic feel... There's also a really good finished track called Everything's Turning to Gold and both Hang Fire and So Young are mixed and ready.
- Keith Richards, July 1978
(T)he tracks were too similar! That's why I screamed. I was the maniac on that album, always complaining, always going to battle. It's more difficult to get people to go along with certain ideas now because it's become such a @#$%& organization. If you're the odd one out who speaks out and says, Look, I know we can do that song better, they they turn around and say, Everybody loves it. And you end up being the agitator, the paranoiac, you know... What's HE on?
- Keith Richards, 1981
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Hairball
"we have Mick mixes and Keith mixes of many of the new tunes"
Pretty sure which versions I'd prefer, but will keep an open mind.
Maybe they should release two albums at once - a Keith version and a Mick version - make everybody happy!
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Hairball
"we have Mick mixes and Keith mixes of many of the new tunes"
Pretty sure which versions I'd prefer, but will keep an open mind.
Maybe they should release two albums at once - a Keith version and a Mick version - make everybody happy!
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jlowe
Well, nothing much has changed then!
Shame they haven't got a record label pressurising them to get the job done.
It's odd really, most Stones tracks sound as though very little time has been spent on them. That's part of their charm. Didn't Keith once say 'its music from the groin, not the head'......or something similar.
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rollmops
I love that the discussion is at 303 pages; lot of interesting ideas, interviews' excepts extracted, lot of passion about the stones. I hope they never release the new record and we keep talking about it for ever (twilightZone soundtrack needed)
Rockandroll,
Mops
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jlowe
Mick bringing out those two songs a year ago made more sense than going through the whole messy business of making an entire album that nobody buys anyway. It's an out-dated concept.[/[/b]quote]
That's probably true...but how very sad.
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jlowe
Well, nothing much has changed then!
Shame they haven't got a record label pressurising them to get the job done.
It's odd really, most Stones tracks sound as though very little time has been spent on them. That's part of their charm. Didn't Keith once say 'its music from the groin, not the head'......or something similar.
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jlowe
Well, nothing much has changed then!
Shame they haven't got a record label pressurising them to get the job done.
It's odd really, most Stones tracks sound as though very little time has been spent on them. That's part of their charm. Didn't Keith once say 'its music from the groin, not the head'......or something similar.
Why would any record company pressure them? Records don't make money. Concerts make money. And all kinds of by-products make money. T-shirts with the Stones logo are everywhere but I bet most of the people wearing them don't have a single album of the Stones.
Mick bringing out those two songs a year ago made more sense than going through the whole messy business of making an entire album that nobody buys anyway. It's an out-dated concept.
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georgelicks
... they have over 20 new ones, I've been told about 2 new songs recorded first on 2015 with now 5 different versions at least, each version mixed and ready to release. They are holding the stuff and working on different versions of each new song, we have Mick mixes and Keith mixes of many of the new tunes.