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tumblingdice
Would it satisfy you?
Would it slide on by you?
Would it help to ease the pain?
I like it....
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retired_dog
You must be sitting in front of a mirror and talking to yourself because that's what you do most of the time, judging the lead singer of a famous band who you don't know personally, and no, I don't confuse it with "criticism" here, that's something entirely different. So if you want, go ahead, talk about your issues because writing about yourself in the third person like at the start of your post is already beginning to sound serious.
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About childish debates - there's obviously people who are stuck in their teenage years and take their own and fabricated popstar public images for reality and besides the music need some extra drama to keep themselves interested.
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Lorenz
At least this one's got a groove... a few levels above England's Lost and that other one, but I'd rather have Mick keep it for a solo album, to be honest.
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DandelionPowderman
Oh, it exists – and it flourishes – only in a different way.
I was shocked, while touring Europe some years ago with my band, seeing young people going to rock and metal shows.
Add the numerous huge rock and metal festivals in Europe, and you'll find that rock'n'roll isn't dead.
However, the charts and how we buy and listen to music have changed. And the kids today might listen to both Sia and Greta Van Fleet on their pre-programmed playlists on Spotify.
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Oh, it exists – and it flourishes – only in a different way.
I was shocked, while touring Europe some years ago with my band, seeing young people going to rock and metal shows.
Add the numerous huge rock and metal festivals in Europe, and you'll find that rock'n'roll isn't dead.
However, the charts and how we buy and listen to music have changed. And the kids today might listen to both Sia and Greta Van Fleet on their pre-programmed playlists on Spotify.
My problem with rock nowadays and, even more so, metal, is that I can't really hear the blues element in it, and to my ears it's not really groovy either. But I am willing to admit that I might not be open-minded enough.
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DandelionPowderman
There's something for everyone out there. But we won't necessarily find it in the charts or in stadiums
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DandelionPowderman
True, but what kind of music is the driving force in today's culture at all? It seems only the most commercial side of culture is what's left in music.
Or maybe I'm just getting old...
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Rocky Dijon
Well, what about "Love is Strong?" That's a single that has Keith written all over it. So did "You Got Me Rocking." The album sold well, but the singles did nothing. These sound like vintage Stones. It's what Keith fans should want and what general Stones fans should welcome and yet they didn't. The same as Keith's solo albums. "Happy" was a hit single, why not "Take It So Hard," "Make No Mistake, "Wicked As It Seems," "Eileen," or "Trouble?"
Possibly, it's that they were seen as old and music from old men rarely reaches young people. You need the youth market to have major hit singles. Why? Because an aging fan base just buys the album or doesn't bother. My brother-in-law is a huge Stones fan. He owns everything through TATTOO YOU. He saw them live in 1972, 1975, 1978, and 1981. Why didn't he keep going? Why do I think their last peak was in 1997? Likely because after that I was married with a family to raise.
It isn't the same once you "mortgage up your life." I'm still a huge fan, obviously, but the memories you built were the songs that were new through those crucial developing years of your life plus the back catalog. Everything since is what I carve out time for, but I don't live and breathe it like I once did. So why didn't that continue you for younger audiences? For the same reason why I was one of very few in my teen years who loved them instead of Metallica or Guns 'n' Roses. I was already on the young side to be listening to the music I was. I knew no one else my age who played the crap out of DIRTY WORK, PRIMITIVE COOL, and TALK IS CHEAP when they were new. STEEL WHEELS and the tour brought more fans, but that was the last gasp to reach the youth market.
Since then they were old men still at it and the market continued to shrink for them. The people buying overpriced concert tickets didn't want to hear new material any more than they cared for their solo albums. Mick's efforts to do what he's always done and keep up with the times didn't work. Keith's efforts to "grow the music up" and keep his musical integrity intact didn't work.
Doesn't mean they made bad music. It does mean only diehards like us turned out to buy it and even then, a large percentage of us still carp about what we bought.
Nice summation...and in other words they've done exactly what every other set of top tier aging musicians has done into their twilight years. No worse and probably even better than most. Some times I think we have too much time on our hands analyzing every minute machination of the band.
Other times, I know we have too much time on our hands.
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There's something for everyone out there. But we won't necessarily find it in the charts or in stadiums
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keithsman
See this is where i have trouble with attitudes on iorr as apposed to say people commenting on youtube for example.
You are right about Miss You, most fans love it and i can't argue with that.
Most fans love Keith and see the Stones most favorable sounds as his sound, and the comments about Keith on youtube etc are very warm towards him and shall i say a lot less complimentary about Mick.
Its very easy to get drawn into the opinions people have on iorr concerning Mick and Keith and be persuaded into thinking that is how most fans think, when in fact the posts and attitudes towards the Stones on iorr are quit unique.
I'm not saying Stones fans in general consider Mick to be any less a Stone than Keith but they don't warm to him as a human being in the same way, they seem to love Keith for the music and his image, an image that many on here loathe.
I have a good idea of what most fans expect and desire from the Stones musically, you only have to look at the Hits releases and the songs they play live to see that.
Sorry for my dithering and babbling here, i'm finding it hard to explain my thoughts in the short time available. lol.
Basically Hot Stuff and Dance are not seen as the best songs on those particular albums and certainly they were not the best singles ever released by the Stones. Most people view them as forgettable singles or regrettable in contrast to their greatest work. Ok off to work.
Thanks for your open words. Look, the thing is that I have no problem with someone having his or her "favourite Stone" or in your case that you obviously love Keith a lot more than Mick (obviously based on their public images, that is). No, what I object to is your bias against Mick (some would even say "hate", but I hate the current overuse of this term) - leading to a neverending stream of posts hailing Keith for everything that's good about the Stones and blaming Mick for everything that -supposedly or actually- went wrong with the band. That's what I call an "agenda". And that's what I strongly object to.
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See this is where i have trouble with attitudes on iorr as apposed to say people commenting on youtube for example.
You are right about Miss You, most fans love it and i can't argue with that.
Most fans love Keith and see the Stones most favorable sounds as his sound, and the comments about Keith on youtube etc are very warm towards him and shall i say a lot less complimentary about Mick.
Its very easy to get drawn into the opinions people have on iorr concerning Mick and Keith and be persuaded into thinking that is how most fans think, when in fact the posts and attitudes towards the Stones on iorr are quit unique.
I'm not saying Stones fans in general consider Mick to be any less a Stone than Keith but they don't warm to him as a human being in the same way, they seem to love Keith for the music and his image, an image that many on here loathe.
I have a good idea of what most fans expect and desire from the Stones musically, you only have to look at the Hits releases and the songs they play live to see that.
Sorry for my dithering and babbling here, i'm finding it hard to explain my thoughts in the short time available. lol.
Basically Hot Stuff and Dance are not seen as the best songs on those particular albums and certainly they were not the best singles ever released by the Stones. Most people view them as forgettable singles or regrettable in contrast to their greatest work. Ok off to work.
Thanks for your open words. Look, the thing is that I have no problem with someone having his or her "favourite Stone" or in your case that you obviously love Keith a lot more than Mick (obviously based on their public images, that is). No, what I object to is your bias against Mick (some would even say "hate", but I hate the current overuse of this term) - leading to a neverending stream of posts hailing Keith for everything that's good about the Stones and blaming Mick for everything that -supposedly or actually- went wrong with the band. That's what I call an "agenda". And that's what I strongly object to.
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Hairball
Ooohh...here comes the gang mentality...hit him again when he's already down...
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Hairball
Ooohh...here comes the gang mentality...hit him again when he's already down...
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Hairball
Ooohh...here comes the gang mentality...hit him again when he's already down...
I'm not down at all Hairball, life is good, but thanks anyway.
I have a feeling that there is a Mick agenda on here , and when you combine that with the religious freaks it just takes all the fun away. I mean they don't just hate Keith, they hate people who love him.
So i do what i do when any conversation gets turned into religion or politics, i leave.
I mean retired dogs response to you "It's good to see that at least someone is with those fallen from the grace of god."
Says it all , they really believe that a man they don't know (me) has fallen from the grace of God. I'd better leave and leave for good this time, there is just no balance here anymore, its a witch hunt.