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Irix
I wouldn't too. It puts some pressure onto the Band which isn't good for the Album's quality.
To me it's ok when we get the new Album for the 60th Anniversary of the Band.
Let the time (and ideas) working for the Album ....
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KevinLocksPerm
You think a bunch of keyboard warriors running a petition to release the new album is going to put the Stones under pressure?
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Bungo
We would be more successful with a Class Action Lawsuit based on extreme and unusual mental cruelty.
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24FPS
I can't believe there's 171 pages on nothing. All this fretting and hoping and honestly, do you think they'll be more than a couple songs you'll ever listen to twice? Rough Justice and I can't think of another one from Bigger Bang. Doom and Gloom. Maybe we'll get a good single and perhaps something else interesting.
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IanBillen
In reference to all the A Bigger Bang Chatter (even though this thread is supposed to be about a new album to come .. .. ... .. as Bv told us 10,000 times).
I thought ABB was quite solid ... ballsy ... and in your face. Sure.. it was simplistic (but that is what was called for at the time. We / the public WANTED something stripped down and bare bones with no apologies and that is exactly what we got .. EOS ...end of story.
ABB rocks straight through .. It isn't meant to be deep .. or calculated. It was supposed to be sort of an updated throw-back to Some Girls and some of the stuff from the 80's that simply were bare bones, straight forward rock ..(ABB was even humorous in parts such as Some Girls). We didn't get horns ... not much harmonica at all ... Not back-ground singers ... Just electric guitars .. straight ahead 'rock' and Jagger spitting out lyrics with minimal production ...nothing fancy. It was supposed to be 'just them'. It was a hard hitting album in tone and it nailed it for what it was at the time. Not every release ... or era .. or every chapter.. or all albums need to have all this expansiveness or depth.
Nobody wanted that at the time anyway .. I distinctly remember we wanted something bare bones .. and in your face.. something that just rocks. We got just that and frankly .. it was damn good for being what it was! They wrote it and recorded it in a stripped down fashion without much emphasis on getting in 'deep'. It worked. So that was the story on ABB. .... What is so hard about 'getting that'?
Now we are into a new chapter.. totally (well .. maybe three chapters down the road .. minus a few albums that should of came in between hehe). This time something different than ABB .. something different is called for .. Not sure exactly what it is .. but we will know when we get it.
Nuff said
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Doxa
So, to sum this up, three different experiments :
(1) VOODOO LOUNGE: Stones
(2) BRIDGES TO BABYLON: Jagger and Richards
(3) A BIGGER BANG: Jagger and Richards
But a romantic fool like me always believes in miracles...
- Doxa
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Hairball
As for the acclaim, I thought it was a #1 in various places around the world? And sold quite a few by today's standards? And for a classic rock band to achieve any success in the context of today's musical climate is an achievement in itself. I think georgelicks was posting all of the chart success, etc. as it happened, and it seemed it made much more of an impact than simply falling "under the radar", but I could be wrong.
It did top the charts many places. I was limiting my remarks to the States. That said, even the chart showing Stateside was impressive relatively speaking. The thing is, as you say, "in this musical climate," a Top 10 or #1 placement doesn't take much. The charts are almost meaningless when the units sold are so abysmal.
I didn't mean to pick on you, Hairball, and I realize it likely came off that way. I meant what I said about the industry being a rapidly shrinking body of water. Almost every artist disappears off the grid way too soon.
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rev20
And you already got your first miracle Blue & Lonesome, a work of
astonishing creativity. Composing is but a facet of creativity
the stones created a whole new world starting in 1962, even though
they were only doing covers
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Hairball
As for the acclaim, I thought it was a #1 in various places around the world? And sold quite a few by today's standards? And for a classic rock band to achieve any success in the context of today's musical climate is an achievement in itself. I think georgelicks was posting all of the chart success, etc. as it happened, and it seemed it made much more of an impact than simply falling "under the radar", but I could be wrong.
It did top the charts many places. I was limiting my remarks to the States. That said, even the chart showing Stateside was impressive relatively speaking. The thing is, as you say, "in this musical climate," a Top 10 or #1 placement doesn't take much. The charts are almost meaningless when the units sold are so abysmal.
I didn't mean to pick on you, Hairball, and I realize it likely came off that way. I meant what I said about the industry being a rapidly shrinking body of water. Almost every artist disappears off the grid way too soon.
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And you already got your first miracle Blue & Lonesome, a work of
astonishing creativity. Composing is but a facet of creativity
the stones created a whole new world starting in 1962, even though
they were only doing covers
With that I agree wholeheartily! I was among those who thought the idea of The Stones doing a pure blues cover album sounded good in a theory but not so good in practise. I was afraid it turning a way too one-dimensional, even dull as a whole. To make blues actually exciting isn't so easy task at all. But I was totally wrong - the album was an incredible musical statement. Miracles do happen! Probably when you the least expect them...
- Doxa
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Hairball
As for the acclaim, I thought it was a #1 in various places around the world? And sold quite a few by today's standards? And for a classic rock band to achieve any success in the context of today's musical climate is an achievement in itself. I think georgelicks was posting all of the chart success, etc. as it happened, and it seemed it made much more of an impact than simply falling "under the radar", but I could be wrong.
It did top the charts many places. I was limiting my remarks to the States. That said, even the chart showing Stateside was impressive relatively speaking. The thing is, as you say, "in this musical climate," a Top 10 or #1 placement doesn't take much. The charts are almost meaningless when the units sold are so abysmal.
I didn't mean to pick on you, Hairball, and I realize it likely came off that way. I meant what I said about the industry being a rapidly shrinking body of water. Almost every artist disappears off the grid way too soon.
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Don't pick on Hairball... he's a good kat. Anyone who has a problem with Hairball has a problem with me .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..
Lol no worries Ian...- Rocky and I are good...all is good in *Stonesland!
*Similar to Disneyland with various characters including Mickey, Minnie, Donald Duck, Pluto, Jiminy Cricket, Snow White, the Seven Dwarfs, and even Goofy!!!
And can't forget about all the pirates...and Peter Pan...and Tinkerbell...lol
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Doxa
So, to sum this up, three different experiments :
(1) VOODOO LOUNGE: Stones
(2) BRIDGES TO BABYLON: Jagger and Richards
(3) A BIGGER BANG: Jagger and Richards
But a romantic fool like me always believes in miracles...
- Doxa
Three very good half-great albums, each better than anything released by
any other recording artist in that particular year
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rev20
Doxa I am certainly not saying that anybody needs to like those albums
as much as I do
But the challenge I have put out there before is to look at, say,
Billboard's top 200 albums for that year and tell me which of those
albums you still think now was better that what the Stones put out
i've done this maybe four times and no one has ever come up with anything
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Doxa
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So, to sum this up, three different experiments to come up with something memorable:
(1) VOODOO LOUNGE: an 'old style' Stones album by the effort of the whole band working together.
(2) BRIDGES TO BABYLON: Jagger and Richards doing their stuff separatively
(3) A BIGGER BANG: Jagger and Richards making a solo (duet) album together, the rest just adding their pieces later.
Surely there are nice numbers here and there - and none is not any 'bad' album, but basically just rather forgetable - but I don't think there is much difference in quality between the albums. In many ways they musically even sound pretty much the same (yeah, BRIDGES a bit more 'experimental'). And something in me says that there might exist the biggest reason why they haven't been very profilic for the last quarter half century or so - and especially after A BIGGER BANG (which I think was a very serious try to work out something 'magical' by just the Twins face to face). They probably are rather awere that the 'magic' is no longer there, no matter what they do - or how they do it.
I don't think none of these albums are some half-assed efforts, like them intentionally releasing second-rate material. No, I think they put them all their energy and ability and creative power they got at the time (in which we need to remember the age and the lack of true hunger factor). Like always. Which brings us to some comments or hopes mentioned in regards to the upcoming album. I don't think there is a sudden switch button available for them now - that 'hey, this is going to be our last album - let's make a great album this time'. Mick and Keith's songs doesn't suddenly improve from mediocrity to brilliance by a sheer power of will (decision). Or by how much time they put on recording them by with whatever combo or method. If it would be that easy.... But the creativity just doesn't work that way...
But a romantic fool like me always believes in miracles...
- Doxa