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It’s not difficult,it’s impossible and here’s why.youre asking men in their 70’s to create music that can(and will) be held up next to the greatest rock and roll ever put on record.better than the Beatles,better than Led Zeppelin or The Who or anyone else.thats how hardcore Rolling Stones fans feel about the bands catalogue
We don’t qualify it with some bullshit”well it’s different styles and blah blah blah—no ,they are the best fcking ever.period.
Watch an old interview with the band-do you see happy,laughing people? Those guys were serious about their work.
Recording sessions began early in the evening and ended the next day,hours of jamming,smoking,drinking,drugging and more jamming.songs were worked to death and then brought back to life and worked some more.
They aren’t gonna spend 14 hours in a studio working for days on end and you cant expect them to,but that’s why they can’t take a song over the finish line.
I listen almost exclusively to bootlegs now and the songs are usually the same as the last few official releases-unfinished stuff that could’ve worked if only...,,
It’s better they stay the rich happy guys they are and play the old stuff the best they can.its not the worst way to go out.
The question is WHY NOT?
Some of their contempories, eg Dylan, Van Morrison, Paul Simon have all issued more than a couple of great albums since the year of Exile (1972).
Is that maybe Mick and Keith have just been over rated?
As songwriters, that is.
Very good points, but Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed might have been exceptions, though - as Brian clearly didn't work «hard, full time». Keith took the lead on those albums. He might not have been capable to do that after those albums because of drugs etc?
You're right, but I wouldn't consider Brian really part of the Stones anymore at that time. As you say, Keith took over the main guitar parts at that time and he clearly was at one of his artistic peaks, discovering all kinds of new approaches and techniques to make guitars more interesting.
He had another peak at about Some Girls, I think.
I don't know how many peaks an artist can have. Picasso had many, but he wasn't in a band.
Lol when there's no news, recycle some old news.
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Some very good points there Rev and i agree with them all, just to add it would be nice for the boys to finish this album of originals for us hardcore fans, and obviously creators need and like to create, so hey boys do some creating
So now we know what Mick does with his spare time, i know he loves this song but where does he find the time to click thumbs up 21 thousand times.
it is my best judgement yes, based on everything they've said, and the looks
in their eyes, that both Mick and Keith are very happy with everything
about Blue & Lonesome, including its reception by the public
It is also my distinct impression that hardcore internet fans vastly underrate
this achievement. And I include myself in that category, it was a whole year
before my ears opened up to its brilliance
i had given it a strong positive review upon its release but i kinda got
caught up in the group-think, that is, "how good could it be? its only
a covers album. it only took three days (which i highly doubt now)"
I was so overwhelmed by the album once my ears opened fully to it, that
I wrote on Shidoobee "the Blue & Lonesome manifesto: 5th best stones album
ever." one of my essays.
and i still believe that, in terms of quality. in terms of being my favorite,
it is #1. it even broke the 6-year spell that rihanna held over me
This is pretty much the point I tried to make as well.
You're right HB!
Would have been a golden opportunity to get Mick Taylor on board. A better album, more critical acclaim.
There will always be fans who'll find something to complain about (covers, a three day-job etc.). However, my impression is that this album went down really well with the fans.
If B&L lead your thoughts away from R, be it just for a moment, I'd say «mission accomplished»
All good, Revvy
Can you believe this? I just mention her name and she immediately tweets
her new interview where it says that her upcoming album will be all roots.
All reggae and dancehall.
Bitch does that and she'll have me in a headlock again...
C'mon Stones, hurry up with that next record. Save me!
It's on the way ..... I can feel it
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Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
Maindefender
()
Date: May 1, 2018 18:39
Quote
georgelicksQuote
mailexile67
But...Is it so difficult after 13 years making a 12 tunes decent record?!Oh, my God!!
By Stones standards, yes, it is very hard to do it.
ABB was a generic rock album with not more than 2 or 3 GREAT songs, the rest is generic rock stuff, lots of folks here are very happy with that kind of stuff, but the band will not make an album like that again, even Keith was not very happy with it.
Back on the original question, they didn't release 12 great songs on single album, well since Exile actually.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
lem motlow
()
Date: May 1, 2018 23:28
Quote
mailexile67
But...Is it so difficult after 13 years making a 12 tunes decent record?!Oh, my God!!
It’s not difficult,it’s impossible and here’s why.youre asking men in their 70’s to create music that can(and will) be held up next to the greatest rock and roll ever put on record.better than the Beatles,better than Led Zeppelin or The Who or anyone else.thats how hardcore Rolling Stones fans feel about the bands catalogue
We don’t qualify it with some bullshit”well it’s different styles and blah blah blah—no ,they are the best fcking ever.period.
Watch an old interview with the band-do you see happy,laughing people? Those guys were serious about their work.
Recording sessions began early in the evening and ended the next day,hours of jamming,smoking,drinking,drugging and more jamming.songs were worked to death and then brought back to life and worked some more.
They aren’t gonna spend 14 hours in a studio working for days on end and you cant expect them to,but that’s why they can’t take a song over the finish line.
I listen almost exclusively to bootlegs now and the songs are usually the same as the last few official releases-unfinished stuff that could’ve worked if only...,,
It’s better they stay the rich happy guys they are and play the old stuff the best they can.its not the worst way to go out.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: May 2, 2018 00:03
Quote
georgelicksQuote
mailexile67
But...Is it so difficult after 13 years making a 12 tunes decent record?!Oh, my God!!
By Stones standards, yes, it is very hard to do it.
ABB was a generic rock album with not more than 2 or 3 GREAT songs, the rest is generic rock stuff, lots of folks here are very happy with that kind of stuff, but the band will not make an album like that again, even Keith was not very happy with it.
Back on the original question, they didn't release 12 great songs on single album, well since Exile actually.
The question is WHY NOT?
Some of their contempories, eg Dylan, Van Morrison, Paul Simon have all issued more than a couple of great albums since the year of Exile (1972).
Is that maybe Mick and Keith have just been over rated?
As songwriters, that is.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
GAFF
()
Date: May 2, 2018 00:16
ABB was all filler and no killer. Then again, I'm an opinionated bastard.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: May 2, 2018 03:08
This thread seems to have...
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
mariano
()
Date: May 2, 2018 03:12
Abb was a re-take of outtakes, thats it
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
lem motlow
()
Date: May 2, 2018 07:20
No,ABB’s songs were written fresh for the album by Mick and Keith then hastily put out with as little effort as possible.it received all the hard work usually reserved for a tour program.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
matxil
()
Date: May 2, 2018 11:25
The best albums of the Stones (with the exception of Tattoo You) were made:
1. With all the Stones working very hard full-time on it
2. Mick and Keith being inspired by the same influences
3. Mick and Keith still growing artistically and emotionally
4. A lot of interesting rock-guitar and/or afro-american based and/or avant-garde music going around at the same time, inspiring them
Tattoo You was made thanks to an extremely talented engineer who knew what to do with the leftovers from those periods.
Right now:
1. The Stones are not working 24/7 on the album
2. Mick and Keith clearly are inspired by different things
3. After your 40's you have seen it all, thought it all, done it all
4. In the past 40 years anything interesting or new has happened in rap, electronic music or occasionally (rarely) post-punk derivatives. Rock-guitar music is dead (I just read today that the Gibson company has gone broke)
Any chances of the Stones coming up with something remotely like their best work is like believing in unicorns.
So, they can do one of the following:
1. Make a Stones album anyway. It's easy to come-up with a few open-G tuned I-IV "feel your tight hot lips" rockers plus 2 country ballads, one reggae cover and a song from Keith in a jazzy night-club after closing time
2. Mick doing something he's truely inspired by and maybe impress some people
3. Keith doing the things he's truely inspired by and very likely make me very happy
1. With all the Stones working very hard full-time on it
2. Mick and Keith being inspired by the same influences
3. Mick and Keith still growing artistically and emotionally
4. A lot of interesting rock-guitar and/or afro-american based and/or avant-garde music going around at the same time, inspiring them
Tattoo You was made thanks to an extremely talented engineer who knew what to do with the leftovers from those periods.
Right now:
1. The Stones are not working 24/7 on the album
2. Mick and Keith clearly are inspired by different things
3. After your 40's you have seen it all, thought it all, done it all
4. In the past 40 years anything interesting or new has happened in rap, electronic music or occasionally (rarely) post-punk derivatives. Rock-guitar music is dead (I just read today that the Gibson company has gone broke)
Any chances of the Stones coming up with something remotely like their best work is like believing in unicorns.
So, they can do one of the following:
1. Make a Stones album anyway. It's easy to come-up with a few open-G tuned I-IV "feel your tight hot lips" rockers plus 2 country ballads, one reggae cover and a song from Keith in a jazzy night-club after closing time
2. Mick doing something he's truely inspired by and maybe impress some people
3. Keith doing the things he's truely inspired by and very likely make me very happy
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 2, 2018 11:34
Quote
matxil
The best albums of the Stones (with the exception of Tattoo You) were made:
1. With all the Stones working very hard full-time on it
2. Mick and Keith being inspired by the same influences
3. Mick and Keith still growing artistically and emotionally
4. A lot of interesting rock-guitar and/or afro-american based and/or avant-garde music going around at the same time, inspiring them
Tattoo You was made thanks to an extremely talented engineer who knew what to do with the leftovers from those periods.
Right now:
1. The Stones are not working 24/7 on the album
2. Mick and Keith clearly are inspired by different things
3. After your 40's you have seen it all, thought it all, done it all
4. In the past 40 years anything interesting or new has happened in rap, electronic music or occasionally (rarely) post-punk derivatives. Rock-guitar music is dead (I just read today that the Gibson company has gone broke)
Any chances of the Stones coming up with something remotely like their best work is like believing in unicorns.
So, they can do one of the following:
1. Make a Stones album anyway. It's easy to come-up with a few open-G tuned I-IV "feel your tight hot lips" rockers plus 2 country ballads, one reggae cover and a song from Keith in a jazzy night-club after closing time
2. Mick doing something he's truely inspired by and maybe impress some people
3. Keith doing the things he's truely inspired by and very likely make me very happy
Very good points, but Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed might have been exceptions, though - as Brian clearly didn't work «hard, full time». Keith took the lead on those albums. He might not have been capable to do that after those albums because of drugs etc?
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
matxil
()
Date: May 2, 2018 11:55
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
matxil
The best albums of the Stones (with the exception of Tattoo You) were made:
1. With all the Stones working very hard full-time on it
2. Mick and Keith being inspired by the same influences
3. Mick and Keith still growing artistically and emotionally
4. A lot of interesting rock-guitar and/or afro-american based and/or avant-garde music going around at the same time, inspiring them
Tattoo You was made thanks to an extremely talented engineer who knew what to do with the leftovers from those periods.
Right now:
1. The Stones are not working 24/7 on the album
2. Mick and Keith clearly are inspired by different things
3. After your 40's you have seen it all, thought it all, done it all
4. In the past 40 years anything interesting or new has happened in rap, electronic music or occasionally (rarely) post-punk derivatives. Rock-guitar music is dead (I just read today that the Gibson company has gone broke)
Any chances of the Stones coming up with something remotely like their best work is like believing in unicorns.
So, they can do one of the following:
1. Make a Stones album anyway. It's easy to come-up with a few open-G tuned I-IV "feel your tight hot lips" rockers plus 2 country ballads, one reggae cover and a song from Keith in a jazzy night-club after closing time
2. Mick doing something he's truely inspired by and maybe impress some people
3. Keith doing the things he's truely inspired by and very likely make me very happy
Very good points, but Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed might have been exceptions, though - as Brian clearly didn't work «hard, full time». Keith took the lead on those albums. He might not have been capable to do that after those albums because of drugs etc?
You're right, but I wouldn't consider Brian really part of the Stones anymore at that time. As you say, Keith took over the main guitar parts at that time and he clearly was at one of his artistic peaks, discovering all kinds of new approaches and techniques to make guitars more interesting.
He had another peak at about Some Girls, I think.
I don't know how many peaks an artist can have. Picasso had many, but he wasn't in a band.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: May 2, 2018 21:46
Quote
KRiffhard
"We had a great week last week (in the studio). We went in and did about ten or twelve things that didn't exist until that moment..."
[youtu.be]
Lol when there's no news, recycle some old news.
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Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
IanBillen
()
Date: May 3, 2018 06:50
In reference to all the A Bigger Bang Chatter (even though this thread is supposed to be about a new album to come .. .. ... .. as Bv told us 10,000 times).
I thought ABB was quite solid ... ballsy ... and in your face. Sure.. it was simplistic (but that is what was called for at the time. We / the public WANTED something stripped down and bare bones with no apologies and that is exactly what we got .. EOS ...end of story.
ABB rocks straight through .. It isn't meant to be deep .. or calculated. It was supposed to be sort of an updated throw-back to Some Girls and some of the stuff from the 80's that simply were bare bones, straight forward rock ..(ABB was even humorous in parts such as Some Girls). We didn't get horns ... not much harmonica at all ... Not back-ground singers ... Just electric guitars .. straight ahead 'rock' and Jagger spitting out lyrics with minimal production ...nothing fancy. It was supposed to be 'just them'. It was a hard hitting album in tone and it nailed it for what it was at the time. Not every release ... or era .. or every chapter.. or all albums need to have all this expansiveness or depth.
Nobody wanted that at the time anyway .. I distinctly remember we wanted something bare bones .. and in your face.. something that just rocks. We got just that and frankly .. it was damn good for being what it was! They wrote it and recorded it in a stripped down fashion without much emphasis on getting in 'deep'. It worked. So that was the story on ABB. .... What is so hard about 'getting that'?
Now we are into a new chapter.. totally (well .. maybe three chapters down the road .. minus a few albums that should of came in between hehe). This time something different than ABB .. something different is called for .. Not sure exactly what it is .. but we will know when we get it.
Nuff said
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2018-05-03 07:01 by IanBillen.
I thought ABB was quite solid ... ballsy ... and in your face. Sure.. it was simplistic (but that is what was called for at the time. We / the public WANTED something stripped down and bare bones with no apologies and that is exactly what we got .. EOS ...end of story.
ABB rocks straight through .. It isn't meant to be deep .. or calculated. It was supposed to be sort of an updated throw-back to Some Girls and some of the stuff from the 80's that simply were bare bones, straight forward rock ..(ABB was even humorous in parts such as Some Girls). We didn't get horns ... not much harmonica at all ... Not back-ground singers ... Just electric guitars .. straight ahead 'rock' and Jagger spitting out lyrics with minimal production ...nothing fancy. It was supposed to be 'just them'. It was a hard hitting album in tone and it nailed it for what it was at the time. Not every release ... or era .. or every chapter.. or all albums need to have all this expansiveness or depth.
Nobody wanted that at the time anyway .. I distinctly remember we wanted something bare bones .. and in your face.. something that just rocks. We got just that and frankly .. it was damn good for being what it was! They wrote it and recorded it in a stripped down fashion without much emphasis on getting in 'deep'. It worked. So that was the story on ABB. .... What is so hard about 'getting that'?
Now we are into a new chapter.. totally (well .. maybe three chapters down the road .. minus a few albums that should of came in between hehe). This time something different than ABB .. something different is called for .. Not sure exactly what it is .. but we will know when we get it.
Nuff said
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2018-05-03 07:01 by IanBillen.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
rev20
()
Date: May 3, 2018 09:07
Perhaps not surprisingly I have thoughts that differ from what has
been presented so far on this thread...
1) We've already gotten a mind-blowingly great latter-day Stones album,
Blue & Lonesome. It is great in two ways. In terms of sales (in this
day and age) and in terms having Mick and Keith believing fully in
every track for the first time since Exile.
2) The fact that their hardcore fans do not have the same love for
Blue & Lonesome that Mick and Keith do speaks volumes as to why
they have not released the album-plus of new material they already have
in the can. And I'm talking new material that Mick and Keith both
believe in fully. Not the decades-old formula of "one-half of the
tracks both love and one-half either one or neither do, but too bad
because its time to put out a new album". (the only evidence I have
for their secret success in the studio is how happy Keith seems generally
and how willing Mick is to spend so much of his precious time there)
3) So why haven't they released it? Have you watched U2 get slaughtered
and diminish themselves by trying to put out all-new albums? What I
mean is, no matter how good the stuff that they have in the can is,
because of the tenor of the times, it will not get a fair hearing.
Not by the critics, not by the market, and not by even their hardcore
fans. It is literally impossible for a new rock album to significantly
impact the culture at this point in time. As a heritage rock band,
the only thing you are allowed to do currently is to shoot yourself
in the foot.
4) So here are the possibilities: a) The tenor of the times changes and
suddenly a lot of people actually realize they need a new Stones album
(Good luck on that happening). b) They wait to release their great new stuff
until the Rolling Stones are over, when everybody's ears will magically
attune to what they didn't realize they would miss so much. In other
words, when the Stones end, their new record(s) will absolutely smash.
Sad but true. c) In the meantime, if we're very lucky we will get
Lonesome & Blue or some other searingly brilliant sequel comprised
once again of old rootsy relatively unknown cover songs that the Stones
have magically transformed into a powerful contemporary statement.
Choose your poison.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2018-05-03 09:36 by rev20.
been presented so far on this thread...
1) We've already gotten a mind-blowingly great latter-day Stones album,
Blue & Lonesome. It is great in two ways. In terms of sales (in this
day and age) and in terms having Mick and Keith believing fully in
every track for the first time since Exile.
2) The fact that their hardcore fans do not have the same love for
Blue & Lonesome that Mick and Keith do speaks volumes as to why
they have not released the album-plus of new material they already have
in the can. And I'm talking new material that Mick and Keith both
believe in fully. Not the decades-old formula of "one-half of the
tracks both love and one-half either one or neither do, but too bad
because its time to put out a new album". (the only evidence I have
for their secret success in the studio is how happy Keith seems generally
and how willing Mick is to spend so much of his precious time there)
3) So why haven't they released it? Have you watched U2 get slaughtered
and diminish themselves by trying to put out all-new albums? What I
mean is, no matter how good the stuff that they have in the can is,
because of the tenor of the times, it will not get a fair hearing.
Not by the critics, not by the market, and not by even their hardcore
fans. It is literally impossible for a new rock album to significantly
impact the culture at this point in time. As a heritage rock band,
the only thing you are allowed to do currently is to shoot yourself
in the foot.
4) So here are the possibilities: a) The tenor of the times changes and
suddenly a lot of people actually realize they need a new Stones album
(Good luck on that happening). b) They wait to release their great new stuff
until the Rolling Stones are over, when everybody's ears will magically
attune to what they didn't realize they would miss so much. In other
words, when the Stones end, their new record(s) will absolutely smash.
Sad but true. c) In the meantime, if we're very lucky we will get
Lonesome & Blue or some other searingly brilliant sequel comprised
once again of old rootsy relatively unknown cover songs that the Stones
have magically transformed into a powerful contemporary statement.
Choose your poison.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2018-05-03 09:36 by rev20.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
lem motlow
()
Date: May 3, 2018 09:41
It’s all becoming clear to me now Ian,thank you.i now understand Bigger Bang,that it was similar to Some Girls in its humor and I now appreciate it for its in your face and ballsy style.
By the way,who do you think had the better “look what the cat dragged in” lyrics,Poison or the Stones?
Do you think they’ll do a cover of “talk dirty to me”on the next one? What riff do you like better-INXSs “devil inside” or the Stones “driving too fast”? And was McCartney’s back to the egg an inspiration for the cover? I always like a bit of Wings influence in my Stones artwork.Im now singing streets of love to myself as I type this because of you enlightening me to its brilliance,again,thank you.
One can only hope for more of this raw and stripped down beauty on the next outing.
By the way,who do you think had the better “look what the cat dragged in” lyrics,Poison or the Stones?
Do you think they’ll do a cover of “talk dirty to me”on the next one? What riff do you like better-INXSs “devil inside” or the Stones “driving too fast”? And was McCartney’s back to the egg an inspiration for the cover? I always like a bit of Wings influence in my Stones artwork.Im now singing streets of love to myself as I type this because of you enlightening me to its brilliance,again,thank you.
One can only hope for more of this raw and stripped down beauty on the next outing.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: May 3, 2018 09:54
ABB is their worst album imo.
I can listen to Rain Fall Down occasionally (because my wife really likes it), and maybe Laugh I Nearly Died maybe once every other year, but that's about it.
The one pretty darn good song from those sessions didn't even make it to the album - Under the Radar...what were they thinking by leaving it off?
Instead we get Streets of Love? Or Keith's Infamy which is his lamest song ever? Pshh....
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I can listen to Rain Fall Down occasionally (because my wife really likes it), and maybe Laugh I Nearly Died maybe once every other year, but that's about it.
The one pretty darn good song from those sessions didn't even make it to the album - Under the Radar...what were they thinking by leaving it off?
Instead we get Streets of Love? Or Keith's Infamy which is his lamest song ever? Pshh....
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
wupperstein
()
Date: May 3, 2018 10:15
No,in my opinion ABB is much better than Bridges To Babylon.
Highlights of ABB are: Let Me Down Slow, Rough Justice, It Won't Be Long and
Laugh I Nearly Died. ABB is "Back To The Roots"
Highlights of ABB are: Let Me Down Slow, Rough Justice, It Won't Be Long and
Laugh I Nearly Died. ABB is "Back To The Roots"
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
rev20
()
Date: May 3, 2018 10:34
I agree with Ian and Wupperstein, that Bigger Bang is a really good
album.* And the Stones could have literally put out an album that good
or better every three years since. But it would have as I said hurt their
career to do so. So they didn't. And won't. Until the culture changes
and the release of new Jagger/Richards material is a plus for their
career. Or their legacy. They're not dopes.
*If you want maybe the best example of the cultural dissonance that the
Stones have to deal with, just look at the Streets of Love video
6.3 million views, 21 thousand thumbs up and only 480 thumbs down,
with not a few commenters saying it is their favorite Stones song of all
it is this video that converted me into a big fan of the song. its quite touching
video: [www.youtube.com]
album.* And the Stones could have literally put out an album that good
or better every three years since. But it would have as I said hurt their
career to do so. So they didn't. And won't. Until the culture changes
and the release of new Jagger/Richards material is a plus for their
career. Or their legacy. They're not dopes.
*If you want maybe the best example of the cultural dissonance that the
Stones have to deal with, just look at the Streets of Love video
6.3 million views, 21 thousand thumbs up and only 480 thumbs down,
with not a few commenters saying it is their favorite Stones song of all
it is this video that converted me into a big fan of the song. its quite touching
video: [www.youtube.com]
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
keithsman
()
Date: May 3, 2018 10:54
Quote
rev20
Perhaps not surprisingly I have thoughts that differ from what has
been presented so far on this thread...
1) We've already gotten a mind-blowingly great latter-day Stones album,
Blue & Lonesome. It is great in two ways. In terms of sales (in this
day and age) and in terms having Mick and Keith believing fully in
every track for the first time since Exile.
2) The fact that their hardcore fans do not have the same love for
Blue & Lonesome that Mick and Keith do speaks volumes as to why
they have not released the album-plus of new material they already have
in the can. And I'm talking new material that Mick and Keith both
believe in fully. Not the decades-old formula of "one-half of the
tracks both love and one-half either one or neither do, but too bad
because its time to put out a new album". (the only evidence I have
for their secret success in the studio is how happy Keith seems generally
and how willing Mick is to spend so much of his precious time there)
3) So why haven't they released it? Have you watched U2 get slaughtered
and diminish themselves by trying to put out all-new albums? What I
mean is, no matter how good the stuff that they have in the can is,
because of the tenor of the times, it will not get a fair hearing.
Not by the critics, not by the market, and not by even their hardcore
fans. It is literally impossible for a new rock album to significantly
impact the culture at this point in time. As a heritage rock band,
the only thing you are allowed to do currently is to shoot yourself
in the foot.
4) So here are the possibilities: a) The tenor of the times changes and
suddenly a lot of people actually realize they need a new Stones album
(Good luck on that happening). b) They wait to release their great new stuff
until the Rolling Stones are over, when everybody's ears will magically
attune to what they didn't realize they would miss so much. In other
words, when the Stones end, their new record(s) will absolutely smash.
Sad but true. c) In the meantime, if we're very lucky we will get
Lonesome & Blue or some other searingly brilliant sequel comprised
once again of old rootsy relatively unknown cover songs that the Stones
have magically transformed into a powerful contemporary statement.
Choose your poison.
Some very good points there Rev and i agree with them all, just to add it would be nice for the boys to finish this album of originals for us hardcore fans, and obviously creators need and like to create, so hey boys do some creating
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: May 3, 2018 10:55
<The fact that their hardcore fans do not have the same love for
Blue & Lonesome that Mick and Keith do>
Is that true, Revvy?
Blue & Lonesome that Mick and Keith do>
Is that true, Revvy?
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
keithsman
()
Date: May 3, 2018 10:59
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rev20
I agree with Ian and Wupperstein, that Bigger Bang is a really good
album.* And the Stones could have literally put out an album that good
or better every three years since. But it would have as I said hurt their
career to do so. So they didn't. And won't. Until the culture changes
and the release of new Jagger/Richards material is a plus for their
career. Or their legacy. They're not dopes.
*If you want maybe the best example of the cultural dissonance that the
Stones have to deal with, just look at the Streets of Love video
6.3 million views, 21 thousand thumbs up and only 480 thumbs down,
with not a few commenters saying it is their favorite Stones song of all
it is this video that converted me into a big fan of the song. its quite touching
video: [www.youtube.com]
So now we know what Mick does with his spare time, i know he loves this song but where does he find the time to click thumbs up 21 thousand times.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
keithsman
()
Date: May 3, 2018 11:10
Ianbillen
In reference to all the A Bigger Bang Chatter (even though this thread is supposed to be about a new album to come .. .. ... .. as Bv told us 10,000 times).
With the new album still not here to talk about after several years, surely we can talk about the last studio album as a build up.
Like when you watch the FA cup final, the pundits talk about last years final in the build up.
Unfortunately for us this has been a very extended build up
In reference to all the A Bigger Bang Chatter (even though this thread is supposed to be about a new album to come .. .. ... .. as Bv told us 10,000 times).
With the new album still not here to talk about after several years, surely we can talk about the last studio album as a build up.
Like when you watch the FA cup final, the pundits talk about last years final in the build up.
Unfortunately for us this has been a very extended build up
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
rev20
()
Date: May 3, 2018 11:15
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Is that true, Revvy?
it is my best judgement yes, based on everything they've said, and the looks
in their eyes, that both Mick and Keith are very happy with everything
about Blue & Lonesome, including its reception by the public
It is also my distinct impression that hardcore internet fans vastly underrate
this achievement. And I include myself in that category, it was a whole year
before my ears opened up to its brilliance
i had given it a strong positive review upon its release but i kinda got
caught up in the group-think, that is, "how good could it be? its only
a covers album. it only took three days (which i highly doubt now)"
I was so overwhelmed by the album once my ears opened fully to it, that
I wrote on Shidoobee "the Blue & Lonesome manifesto: 5th best stones album
ever." one of my essays.
and i still believe that, in terms of quality. in terms of being my favorite,
it is #1. it even broke the 6-year spell that rihanna held over me
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
matxil
()
Date: May 3, 2018 11:27
Quote
rev20
[...]
It is literally impossible for a new rock album to significantly
impact the culture at this point in time.
[...]
This is pretty much the point I tried to make as well.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
KRiffhard
()
Date: May 3, 2018 11:31
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Hairball
ABB is their worst album imo.
I can listen to Rain Fall Down occasionally (because my wife really likes it), and maybe Laugh I Nearly Died maybe once every other year, but that's about it.
The one pretty darn good song from those sessions didn't even make it to the album - Under the Radar...what were they thinking by leaving it off?
Instead we get Streets of Love? Or Keith's Infamy which is his lamest song ever? Pshh....
You're right HB!
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: May 3, 2018 13:52
Quote
rev20Quote
DandelionPowderman
Is that true, Revvy?
it is my best judgement yes, based on everything they've said, and the looks
in their eyes, that both Mick and Keith are very happy with everything
about Blue & Lonesome, including its reception by the public
It is also my distinct impression that hardcore internet fans vastly underrate
this achievement. And I include myself in that category, it was a whole year
before my ears opened up to its brilliance
i had given it a strong positive review upon its release but i kinda got
caught up in the group-think, that is, "how good could it be? its only
a covers album. it only took three days (which i highly doubt now)"
I was so overwhelmed by the album once my ears opened fully to it, that
I wrote on Shidoobee "the Blue & Lonesome manifesto: 5th best stones album
ever." one of my essays.
and i still believe that, in terms of quality. in terms of being my favorite,
it is #1. it even broke the 6-year spell that rihanna held over me
Would have been a golden opportunity to get Mick Taylor on board. A better album, more critical acclaim.
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 3, 2018 14:00
Quote
rev20Quote
DandelionPowderman
Is that true, Revvy?
it is my best judgement yes, based on everything they've said, and the looks
in their eyes, that both Mick and Keith are very happy with everything
about Blue & Lonesome, including its reception by the public
It is also my distinct impression that hardcore internet fans vastly underrate
this achievement. And I include myself in that category, it was a whole year
before my ears opened up to its brilliance
i had given it a strong positive review upon its release but i kinda got
caught up in the group-think, that is, "how good could it be? its only
a covers album. it only took three days (which i highly doubt now)"
I was so overwhelmed by the album once my ears opened fully to it, that
I wrote on Shidoobee "the Blue & Lonesome manifesto: 5th best stones album
ever." one of my essays.
and i still believe that, in terms of quality. in terms of being my favorite,
it is #1. it even broke the 6-year spell that rihanna held over me
There will always be fans who'll find something to complain about (covers, a three day-job etc.). However, my impression is that this album went down really well with the fans.
If B&L lead your thoughts away from R, be it just for a moment, I'd say «mission accomplished»
All good, Revvy
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
cowboytoast
()
Date: May 3, 2018 16:02
the only issue i had with Blue & Lonesome was that i thought Mick Taylor should've been involved - there is not one memorable guitar lead on that whole thing - which makes it a little "samey" after a few songs - i think involving him woud've taken that Lp to a whole different level - but I also understand that it would've opened up a Pandora's Box of future expectations - managers and headaches that they dont wanna screw with at this point - it's basically a nice little album of them recording a rehearsal - and them showing the world that they can go back to their roots anytime they feel like it and play it better than anyone else-
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
rev20
()
Date: May 3, 2018 16:19
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
rev20
in terms of being my favorite,
it is #1. it even broke the 6-year spell that rihanna held over me
If B&L lead your thoughts away from R, be it just for a moment, I'd say «mission accomplished»
Can you believe this? I just mention her name and she immediately tweets
her new interview where it says that her upcoming album will be all roots.
All reggae and dancehall.
Bitch does that and she'll have me in a headlock again...
C'mon Stones, hurry up with that next record. Save me!
Re: Another Stones studio album in 2018
Posted by:
Bungo
()
Date: May 3, 2018 18:04
Quote
rev20Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
rev20
in terms of being my favorite,
it is #1. it even broke the 6-year spell that rihanna held over me
If B&L lead your thoughts away from R, be it just for a moment, I'd say «mission accomplished»
Can you believe this? I just mention her name and she immediately tweets
her new interview where it says that her upcoming album will be all roots.
All reggae and dancehall.
Bitch does that and she'll have me in a headlock again...
C'mon Stones, hurry up with that next record. Save me!
It's on the way ..... I can feel it
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